# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 369
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7361 "2015-12-10T22:39:08Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It is just a coincidence that they were black. The cop would have done the same thing if they were white. Honestly, I can believe that cops that crooked would have framed white people under similar circumstances. The big difference is that I doubt that the cop would have come out guns a-blazing against white suspects. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7362 "2015-12-11T13:51:18Z")
The Oklahoma City cop who was accused of multiple instances of sexually assaulting disadvantaged (and usually minority) women has been [found guilty](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/daniel-holtzclaw-trial-guilty/420009/) and will likely get a very long prison sentence. I wonder how common this is, and how many other cops are preying upon disadvantaged women. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7363 "2015-12-11T14:29:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Oklahoma City cop who was accused of multiple instances of sexually assaulting disadvantaged (and usually minority) women has been [found guilty](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/daniel-holtzclaw-trial-guilty/420009/) and will likely get a very long prison sentence. > > I wonder how common this is, and how many other cops are preying upon disadvantaged women. Holy shit. Also saw this from that article: “A yearlong investigation by the Associated Press published last month discovered over 1,000 police officers nationwide who lost their badges in the past six years for offenses including rape, sexual assault, and possession of child pornography. Since reliable comprehensive numbers do not exist, the actual number of officers fired during that period could be even higher.” Given the ratio I’ve seen in this thread of officers who perform criminal acts to officers who are fired for those acts, it’s pretty clear that this sort of thing is an epidemic. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7364 "2015-12-11T15:25:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Oklahoma City cop who was accused of multiple instances of sexually assaulting disadvantaged (and usually minority) women has been [found guilty](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/daniel-holtzclaw-trial-guilty/420009/) and will likely get a very long prison sentence. Those pictures of him crying like a little bitch are pretty telling. He is probably not going to have a good time of it in prison. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7365 "2015-12-11T16:09:38Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Those pictures of him crying like a little bitch are pretty telling. He is probably not going to have a good time of it in prison. Maybe **Smapti** can be a pen pal and tell him how the cop haters are to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7366 "2015-12-11T16:57:50Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Those pictures of him crying like a little bitch are pretty telling. He is probably not going to have a good time of it in prison. Yes, because it’s completely OK for people to commit sexual assaults as long as the person they’re raping _deserves_ it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7367 "2015-12-11T17:03:22Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Holy shit. > > Also saw this from that article: “A yearlong investigation by the Associated Press published last month discovered over 1,000 police officers nationwide who lost their badges in the past six years for offenses including rape, sexual assault, and possession of child pornography. Since reliable comprehensive numbers do not exist, the actual number of officers fired during that period could be even higher.” Given the ratio I’ve seen in this thread of officers who perform criminal acts to officers who are fired for those acts, it’s pretty clear that this sort of thing is an epidemic. From the article, this number does not include any stats from California or New York, and states that did provide stats…were undercounting… > [@](#): > > California and New York — with several of the nation’s largest law enforcement agencies — offered no records because they have no statewide system to decertify officers for misconduct. And even among states that provided records, some reported no officers removed for sexual misdeeds even though cases were identified via news stories or court records. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7368 "2015-12-11T17:07:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes, because it’s completely OK for people to commit sexual assaults as long as the person they’re raping _deserves_ it, right? I was not thinking about him being sexually assaulted in prison. I was thinking of him being beaten within an inch of his life. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7369 "2015-12-11T17:08:47Z")
If I am not mistaken, it is common practice in prisons for police officers convicted of crimes to separated from the general population. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7370 "2015-12-11T17:21:22Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I was not thinking about him being sexually assaulted in prison. I was thinking of him being beaten within an inch of his life. Well, saying that violent assault and attempted murder is OK if the guy being lynched _deserves_ it is clearly much better. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7371 "2015-12-11T17:33:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, saying that violent assault and attempted murder is OK if the guy being lynched _deserves_ it is clearly much better. To be fair, he wasn’t advocating / promoting the idea. He was just saying that it was a distinct possibility. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7372 "2015-12-11T18:01:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, saying that violent assault and attempted murder is OK if the guy being lynched _deserves_ it is clearly much better. Who said it was okay? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7373 "2015-12-11T18:21:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes, because it’s completely OK for [del]people[/del] police to commit [del]sexual assaults[/del] shootings as long as the person they’re [del]raping[/del] shooting _deserves_ it, right? my alterations ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7374 "2015-12-11T18:23:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes, because it’s completely OK for people to commit sexual assaults as long as the person they’re raping _deserves_ it, right? I predict he will never serve a day in the penitentiary. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7375 "2015-12-11T18:48:32Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I predict he will never serve a day in the penitentiary. Why’s that? Is it common for jury recommendations to be completely set aside, even when they add up to over 200 years? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7376 "2015-12-11T18:48:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, saying that violent assault and attempted murder is OK if the guy being lynched _deserves_ it is clearly much better. Are you not aware that your entire raison d’etre is arguing that the people the police killed, murdered, assaulted, and raped deserved it. Are you just now noticing the problems with that argument now that the protagonist/antagonist are switched? That constant aching feeling you’ve had in your head the past 40 years is probably cognitive dissonance. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7377 "2015-12-11T18:49:52Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Are you not aware that your entire raison d’etre is arguing that the people the police killed, murdered, assaulted, and raped deserved it. Are you just now noticing the problems with that argument now that the protagonist/antagonist are switched? Why, it’s almost as if there were a _difference_ between law enforcement and mob justice or something. Also, please cite when I ever said someone deserved to be raped. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7378 "2015-12-11T19:20:03Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, saying that violent assault and attempted murder is OK if the guy being lynched _deserves_ it is clearly much better. This is basically what you have been advocating this whole thread so for you to try to ascribe this to other posters and shame them for it is laughable. How many times in this thread have you stated that the criminals deserved the beating or shooting they got because they did not obey a lawful police instruction? It is clearly so much better in those cases because they deserved it, right? Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7379 "2015-12-11T19:21:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Why, it’s almost as if there were a _difference_ between law enforcement and mob justice or something. It’s almost as if there was a \*difference \*between law enforcement and out of control cops or something. > [@](#): > > Also, please cite when I ever said someone deserved to be raped. So rape is where you draw the line? You’re fine if a policeman murders an unarmed child, but hold the fuck up if he rapes someone? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7380 "2015-12-11T19:24:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Why, it’s almost as if there were a _difference_ between law enforcement and mob justice or something. One of the points that you miss over and over is that when cops plant evidence to frame someone or when cops ‘get their stories straight’ they are engaging in the same sort of ‘mob’ behavior that you are now decrying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=368) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=370)