# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 392
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7822 "2016-01-04T19:46:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Stop complaining that you got caught and start obeying the damn speed limit. Alternatively, he might want to check out some of the driving apps that help with speed-trap awareness or invest in a radar detector. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7823 "2016-01-04T19:48:48Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Alternatively, he might want to check out some of the driving apps that help with speed-trap awareness or invest in a radar detector. Or he could not speed, which requires less effort and is less expensive regardless of whether he gets caught or not. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7824 "2016-01-04T19:56:59Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Oh, no arguments on my particular “example.” Am I still allowed to hate the SOB for picking me? 😕 Not in a thread that is mostly about police straight up murdering people. Maybe you getting a ticket for speeding when you were actually speeding isn’t exactly the biggest injustice in America right now? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7825 "2016-01-04T21:55:19Z")
Is anyone else watching Netflix’ _Making of a Murderer_ ? Is there a thread about it already? I’d like **Smapti** to watch this documentary and then tell us what he learned about American Law Enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7826 "2016-01-04T22:34:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’d like **Smapti** to watch this documentary and then tell us what he learned about American Law Enforcement. I’d be more interested to hear what it taught you about the American entertainment industry. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7827 "2016-01-05T00:17:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’d be more interested to hear what it taught you about the American entertainment industry. So. You prove that you know nothing at all about the documentary, which is all factual – videotapes of depositions, etc. But still parade that ignorance with a snarky non sequitur. I retract my conjecture that you’re a bot cleverly programmed to resemble a replicant from science fiction. You’re just another Internet moron, of no use except when sentient beings want to enjoy recreational outrage by the thought that dolts like you are allowed to breed and vote. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7828 "2016-01-05T01:00:10Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Oh, no arguments on my particular “example.” Am I still allowed to hate the SOB for picking me? 😕 To use the fishing example above, does the fish you catch and eat for dinner get to complain that it was the fish you caught? Go to court and hope the cop doesn’t show up–that’s about the only reliable way I know you can get off–no witness for the state to prove your violation. Because the judge is gonna take the cop’s version over yours and you’ve already admitted the foul. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7829 "2016-01-05T01:09:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So. You prove that you know nothing at all about the documentary, which is all factual – videotapes of depositions, etc. But still parade that ignorance with a snarky non sequitur. > > I retract my conjecture that you’re a bot cleverly programmed to resemble a replicant from science fiction. You’re just another Internet moron, of no use except when sentient beings want to enjoy recreational outrage by the thought that dolts like you are allowed to breed and vote. To be fair, the defective circuit in **Smapti’s** brain seems only to involve obedience to law enforcement or government authority. As I’ve mentioned before, it’s a quite interesting example of something fucked-up. But, I’m not a psychiatrist or psychologist, so I leave it to others to diagnose \*\*Smapti \*\* for fun, [Message board disclaimers understood]. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7830 "2016-01-05T03:19:24Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > To be fair, the defective circuit in **Smapti’s** brain seems only to involve obedience to law enforcement or government authority. > > As I’ve mentioned before, it’s a quite interesting example of something fucked-up. But, I’m not a psychiatrist or psychologist, so I leave it to others to diagnose \*\*Smapti \*\* for fun, [Message board disclaimers understood]. Nah, euthanasia too. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7831 "2016-01-05T03:36:35Z")
🙂 > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Nah, euthanasia too. No, **Smapti** is quite normal outside this topic–authority to the state. It’s curious as to why? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7832 "2016-01-05T03:43:25Z")
Ok. grant I haven’t followed all of \*\*Smapati’\*\*s euthanasia threads=s, what did I miss? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7833 "2016-01-05T03:49:22Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > 🙂 > No, **Smapti** is quite normal outside this topic–authority to the state. I see you haven’t read [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=771121) (assisted suicide, not euthanasia). ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7834 "2016-01-05T05:24:51Z")
Sorry, Peremensoe, Unfortunately, it was a comparison ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7835 "2016-01-05T05:33:00Z")
I can’t keep with everything. Has this been posted: [Senior city lawyer quits after judge rules he hid evidence in fatal police shooting](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-cop-killing-retrial-ordered-met-20160104-story.html) > [@](#): > > A veteran attorney in Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration resigned hours after a federal judge ruled Monday that he intentionally concealed crucial evidence in a trial over a fatal Chicago police shooting and then lied about his reasons for doing so. > > The abrupt departure of Senior Corporation Counsel Jordan Marsh, who has worked for the city since 1997, was the latest black eye for the mayor’s office in the continuing fallout over the city’s handling of police shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7836 "2016-01-05T19:16:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So. You prove that you know nothing at all about the documentary, which is all factual – videotapes of depositions, etc. But still parade that ignorance with a snarky non sequitur. Yes, I haven’t seen the series, and I don’t intend on subscribing to Netflix and dedicating ten hours of my life to hearing why I should be sympathetic to the cause of an animal-abusing murderer. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7837 "2016-01-05T19:41:42Z")
City of Chicago pays some (57) police torture victims: [http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1225907/chicago-pays-5-5-million-reparations-57-burge-torture-victims](http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1225907/chicago-pays-5-5-million-reparations-57-burge-torture-victims) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7838 "2016-01-06T02:18:59Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > City of Chicago pays some (57) police torture victims: > [http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1225907/chicago-pays-5-5-million-reparations-57-burge-torture-victims](http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1225907/chicago-pays-5-5-million-reparations-57-burge-torture-victims) Wow! That cop, Burge, or whatever his name is, has cost the city of Chicago a real shitload of millions of dollars–like over $20 million or so with the new reparations. Money well spent, eh,\*\* Smapti\*\*? To preserve law and order–by whatever means necessary. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7839 "2016-01-06T02:38:39Z")
From that Sun Times article: “The $5.5 million authorized was a drop in the bucket compared to the $100 million that Chicago taxpayers have already shelled out to settle Burge-era cases and pay associated legal expenses.” ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7840 "2016-01-06T02:47:44Z")
I realized something the other day. If you believe that your sole goal is to stay alive – not leave a legacy, not live a good life, but simply to stay alive - then Smapti’s stance in re suicide and law enforcement makes complete sense. Making any kind of stand that may result in your death is stupid. Whether that stand is against police brutality or against the inevitable grinding onslaught of terminal disease - your only obligation is to breathe and keep breathing. We argued in another thread about whether a life of unrelenting suffering was worth prolonging. And if you believe that the ultimate goal is to take another breath, then i suppose it is. My father made it very clear to me that there is a world of difference between “living” and "existing. " who wants to merely exist from breath to breath? Living is where it’s at. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7841 "2016-01-06T07:55:48Z")
I suppose if the Chicago PD’s union were responsible for paying the insurance premiums for the city’s liability insurance, this may assuage impulse shooting and assure a more calculated response. But there’s likely moral hazards in that calculation that I have not anticipated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=391) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=393)