# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/781 "2015-02-16T17:47:15Z")
[Chicago Cops who exposed corruption, threatened with, “Going home in a casket”.](http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chicago-pd-cops-call-department-corruption-threatened-home-casket/) Story of two cops who investigated police corruption, were punished by their department for doing so and are now suing in federal court. A third cop has backed up their story. After their investigation caught two corrupt cops, the plug was pulled before it could get too big. They were transferred to dead end jobs and routinely called “IAD rats” by other cops. The moral of the story? Cops careers are routinely ruined when they go against police corruption or excessive police brutality. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/782 "2015-02-16T17:50:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You have an interesting definition of “hands up” if it includes “at waist level”. Oh, well, that’s different; shoot him. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/783 "2015-02-16T18:48:54Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Chicago Cops who exposed corruption, threatened with, “Going home in a casket”.](http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chicago-pd-cops-call-department-corruption-threatened-home-casket/) > > Story of two cops who investigated police corruption, were punished by their department for doing so and are now suing in federal court. A third cop has backed up their story. > > After their investigation caught two corrupt cops, the plug was pulled before it could get too big. > > They were transferred to dead end jobs and routinely called “IAD rats” by other cops. > > The moral of the story? Cops careers are routinely ruined when they go against police corruption or excessive police brutality. Apparently this has been an on-going story since 2012. The new bit of information in the original link was support of the federal lawsuit by Janet Hanna, a third officer. > [@](#): > > But they allege top brass ignored their early claims that Watts was a criminal, forcing them to go to federal authorities. > Soon after, they said, their identities as Internal Affairs officers were revealed to fellow officers. From: Source: [Local – NBC Chicago](http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-department-whistleblower-suit-176896551.html#ixzz3RvycOlKY) Follow us: @nbcchicago on Twitter | nbcchicago on Facebook [Second City Cop](http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2012/11/another-kirby-scandal.html) The two officers, according to the lawsuit, discovered that colleagues on the police force were shaking down drug dealers and framing innocent people. - Comments from cops are predictably negative: > [@](#): > > There is much MUCH more to this latest CPD “scandal”, and not in the way the police-hating public would like to see unravel. These two “whistleblowers” will ultimately be the ones with egg on their faces - too smart for their own good is as far as I’ll elaborate at this point. > > These goofs are toxic. Use the appropriate cautions around them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/784 "2015-02-16T19:05:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You have an interesting definition of “hands up” if it includes “at waist level”. Shit, you are right. That guy clearly needed to die. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/785 "2015-02-16T19:18:48Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Shit, you are right. That guy clearly needed to die. Yep. Clear the streets of bursitis sufferers. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/786 "2015-02-16T19:21:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Frank Jude was beaten and tortured by Milwaukee police in 2004 and got back in the news in 2014, [incarcerated in jail, unable to pay bail.](http://www.wisn.com/news/frank-jude-jr-sits-in-jail-unable-to-make-bail/25668018) Click the link to see how bad life can be for police victims. I clicked the link. It’s about how bad life can be for mentally ill people who make bad business decisions and strangle their girlfriends. This guy got a huge settlement and managed to blow it all and end up in jail due to his violence and mental health issues. It’s a sad story, but I feel more guilty for his victims than I do for him. In any case, it’s hardly the fault of the police or anyone else but himself. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/787 "2015-02-16T22:41:26Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > The reason why the police were called against Patel is now pretty clear (Zimmerman wannbe). [URL=“[Alabama Cop Arrested for Takedown That Left Indian Man Partially Paralyzed](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/alabama-cop-arrested-takedown-left-indian-man-partially-paralyzed-n305471)”] I am normally one of the guys defending the cops…on this one, i got nothing…they had control of him, the hard takedown was totally unneeded. Short of the guy taking a good swing at one of the cops, total overkill. Just glad that Patel seems to be recovering from the articles I have read. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/788 "2015-02-24T00:25:03Z")
[http://www.aol.com/article/2015/02/17/police-disable-dash-cam-after-being-warned-theyre-on-video/21143616/](http://www.aol.com/article/2015/02/17/police-disable-dash-cam-after-being-warned-theyre-on-video/21143616/) Fascinating behavior. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/789 "2015-02-24T00:30:35Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com](http://www.aol.com/article/2015/02/17/police-disable-dash-cam-after-being-warned-theyre-on-video/21143616/) > > Fascinating behavior. That is so fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/790 "2015-02-24T00:44:23Z")
Someday the cops will wait until another cop says, “OK, cameras rolling, let’s do this”. OK probably not. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/791 "2015-02-24T01:53:29Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com](http://www.aol.com/article/2015/02/17/police-disable-dash-cam-after-being-warned-theyre-on-video/21143616/) > > Fascinating behavior. Hey SMAPTI, maybe you should jump in on this one. Or another asshat, we’ve got several to choose from. _sigh_ at this country. So much money. So much power. So much arrogance. So little willingness to admit that other countries might have better ways to handle some things, like policing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/792 "2015-02-24T15:40:32Z")
[Fort Lauderdale police officer caught on camera slapping homeless man](http://www.wsvn.com/story/28181189/fort-lauderdale-police-officer-caught-on-camera-slapping-homeless-man). ---
**Author:** ![tellyworth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@tellyworth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tellyworth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/793 "2015-02-24T23:35:23Z")
The Guardian says Chicago police have a [secret warehouse](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site) where arrestees are held off the books, denied access to lawyers, shackled, questioned for hours, and sometimes beaten. There’s been at least one death there. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/794 "2015-02-24T23:42:14Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > Hey SMAPTI, maybe you should jump in on this one. Or another asshat, we’ve got several to choose from. The police are in the wrong on this one. They should absolutely _not_ have the power to shut off their cameras, and if there’s an action that they’re afraid to conduct because they’re worried it’ll be filmed, then they shouldn’t do it at all. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/795 "2015-02-25T00:19:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The police are in the wrong on this one. They should absolutely _not_ have the power to shut off their cameras, and if there’s an action that they’re afraid to conduct because they’re worried it’ll be filmed, then they shouldn’t do it at all. Smapti, they do it because they’re not afraid. Would you agree? _Should_ things change so that they _would_ be afraid to turn them off? ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/796 "2015-02-25T00:22:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Fort Lauderdale police officer caught on camera slapping homeless man](http://www.wsvn.com/story/28181189/fort-lauderdale-police-officer-caught-on-camera-slapping-homeless-man). Do you follow copblock on Facebook? That’s where I originally saw this. And I’d bet anything, from watching that video, that the officer in the video slaps his family around like that too. It just came so naturally to him, like something he’d done a thousand times before, trained into him like throwing a ball is trained into major league pitchers. Lots of repetition. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/797 "2015-02-25T00:28:46Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > Smapti, they do it because they’re not afraid. Would you agree? > > _Should_ things change so that they _would_ be afraid to turn them off? The article said the officer who turned the camera off was disciplined. If that continues, and the punishments are severe enough, maybe they will be afraid to turn them off. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/798 "2015-02-25T00:36:25Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > Do you follow copblock on Facebook? That’s where I originally saw this. > > And I’d bet anything, from watching that video, that the officer in the video slaps his family around like that too. It just came so naturally to him, like something he’d done a thousand times before, trained into him like throwing a ball is trained into major league pitchers. Lots of repetition. I guess copblock is some sort of blog? Never heard of it before and I haven’t even glanced at Facebook in more than 6 months I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/799 "2015-02-25T04:50:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I guess copblock is some sort of blog? Never heard of it before and I haven’t even glanced at Facebook in more than 6 months I don’t think. I think I’m aggravating my facebook friends with all my copblock links to police misconduct. I do at least 1 a day, often more. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/800 "2015-02-25T16:00:56Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > I think I’m aggravating my facebook friends with all my copblock links to police misconduct. I do at least 1 a day, often more. Yeah, shit like this is annoying as fuck and retards like you are why I quite facey-space a couple of years ago. My life has never been better now that I don’t have to see the droolings of idiotic morans like you anymore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=41)