# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 401
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8002 "2016-02-06T20:54:16Z")
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**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8003 "2016-02-06T23:42:10Z")
[Chicago officer sues estate of teen he shot, claiming trauma](http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article58863928.html) > [@](#): > > A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black 19-year-old college student and accidentally killed a neighbor has filed a lawsuit against the teenager’s estate, arguing the shooting left him traumatized. He wants 10 million bucks. I had to double-check to make sure this wasn’t from The Onion. It isn’t. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Un-fucking-believable. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8004 "2016-02-07T17:20:36Z")
This is a [controversial encounter between police and the courts](http://www.npr.org/2016/02/05/465743796/court-ruling-forces-police-in-southern-states-to-reconsider-use-of-tasers) – which are not exactly “civilians”, as such, _The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unexpectedly ruled to limit how officers may use Tasers or other stun guns. In states such as Virginia and North Carolina, it’s no longer legal for police to use Tasers to force compliance from a non-dangerous suspect. Some cops say this is an unnecessary and dangerous restriction._ because _This case comes out of an incident in Pinehurst, N.C., back in 2011. A mentally ill man was refusing to go to the hospital, and he was clinging to a signpost. To try to make him let go, the police Tased him five times. He died a few minutes later._ Which is troubling. The police will be required to assess whether a person is dangerous enough to tase – in that brief moment, it seems likely that they will just say _oh, fuck it_ and use their firearm. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8005 "2016-02-07T17:24:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The police will be required to assess whether a person is dangerous enough to tase – in that brief moment, it seems likely that they will just say _oh, fuck it_ and use their firearm. Why do you think the law will allow them to shoot people with a gun if they are not dangerous enough to tase? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8006 "2016-02-07T17:38:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why do you think the law will allow them to shoot people with a gun if they are not dangerous enough to tase? 😕 History has shown that the police make stuff up and cover for each other. If the suspect cannot speak, that is one less potential witness. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8007 "2016-02-07T21:07:21Z")
**San Antonio police officer thought cellphone was gun before fatally shooting man** > **[San Antonio police officer thought cellphone was gun before fatally shooting man](https://thegrio.com/2016/02/07/san-antonio-police-officer-thought-cellphone-was-gun-before-fatally-shooting-man/)** > > On Friday, San Antonio Police Department Chief William McManus pledged an investigation into the shooting of an unarmed black suspect on Thursday by an 11-year veteran of the force. I haven’t paid any attention to new fashion designs in cell phones. When did they start making them look like guns? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8008 "2016-02-07T21:44:08Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > I haven’t paid any attention to new fashion designs in cell phones. When did they start making them look like guns? It’s not the phones themselves; [it’s the phone cases](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=phone+case+that+looks+like+a+gun&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=phone+case+that+looks+like+a+gun&tbm=shop). 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8009 "2016-02-07T22:46:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Lee’s dashcam did not record the incident, McManus said, because of the way the car was parked, and body cams had not yet been distributed to their district. However, Lee has maintained that he feared for his life because Scott had a dark object in his hand, which turned out to be a cell phone [smaptization]Well at least the Good Officer had the opportunity to kill someone prior to the implementation of body-cams.[/smaptization] ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8010 "2016-02-08T01:23:10Z")
Don’t you know that cell phones cause cancer? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8011 "2016-02-08T03:20:34Z")
A 2014 beating of a black person by police is winding its way through the courts – fortunately, it was caught on a businesses’ camera so the police did not get away with it despite lying on their reports. [http://revolution-news.com/cctv-captures-5-sheriffs-beating-a-man-who-surrendered/](http://revolution-news.com/cctv-captures-5-sheriffs-beating-a-man-who-surrendered/) > [@](#): > > Unlike the four other officers involved, Terrell does not punch or kick Mr. Price, instead he stands right over the other four deputies and does not appear to make any attempt to stop the assault. Terrell’s attorney Charles Holloman said his client’s case would go to trial as his situation differed from the guilty officers. > > Trevor Fitzgerald, James Amideo, Cody Hoppel and Adam Crawford are the four other former deputies involved. All of whom have already pleaded guilty and await sentencing for Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law; specifically, failure to intervene to stop the assault, resulting in bodily injury to Price. Both Hoppel and Amideo were also found to have submitted falsified reports, one that included a charge for resisting arrest. Amidei additionally made false statements to Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigators while under oath. For icing on the cake, Hoppel also pled guilty to beating another suspect in an unrelated matter. [http://revolution-news.com/cctv-captures-5-sheriffs-beating-a-man-who-surrendered/](http://revolution-news.com/cctv-captures-5-sheriffs-beating-a-man-who-surrendered/) There really is no excuse for not requiring operative body cams on all uniformed officers. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8012 "2016-02-08T10:07:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > 160 pages of bad government employees and their unions? I thought this board liked the government? Right-wing stupidity as performance art? Perhaps you should start a thread. IIRC, stupidity is strong with you. Maybe one of us should do a _Find Posts by User_ and make a _Best(!?) of Octopus_ thread. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8013 "2016-02-08T17:44:24Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > …I haven’t paid any attention to new fashion designs in cell phones. When did they start making them look like guns? (post shortened) The idea of converting common items into bombs, firearms, and knife sheaths is not new. \*Subject: Cell Phone Guns (2002) At first Cell phone gun sight it looks like a regular cell phone — same size, same shape, same overall appearance. But beneath the digital face lies a .22-caliber pistol, a phone gun capable of firing four rounds in quick succession with a touch of the otherwise standard keypad. …“We find it very, very alarming,” says Wolfgang Dicke of the German Police union. “It means police will have to draw their weapons whenever a person being checked reaches for their mobile phone.” …“This criminal invention represents a potentially serious threat to law enforcement and the public,” said U.S. Customs Service Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly. “We received word about these guns last month. We have since alerted our field personnel to be on the lookout for ‘cell phone guns’ at U.S. ports of entry.” These new covert guns were first discovered in October when Dutch police stumbled on a cache during a drug raid in Amsterdam. In another recent incident a Croatian gun dealer was caught attempting to smuggle a shipment through Slovenia into Western Europe. Police say both shipments are believed to have originated in Yugoslavia. Interpol sent out a warning to law enforcement agencies around the world. European border police and customs officers are at a heightened state of alert at all ports, airports and border crossings. …Though the novelty of cell-phone guns is interesting, ATF spokesman John D’Angelo says the idea of concealing firearms in common devices is not new. “Disguised weapons have been around forever. We’ve seen guns in the form of canes, pens, beepers. As technology progresses and becomes more prevalent, disguised weapons will change to mirror that.”\* > **[Cell Phone Guns](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/phoney-guns/)** > > Have police discovered guns disguised as cell phones? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8014 "2016-02-08T18:04:52Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > The idea of converting common items into bombs, firearms, and knife sheaths is not new. > > \*Subject: Cell Phone Guns (2002) > > At first Cell phone gun sight it looks like a regular cell phone — same size, same shape, same overall appearance. > > But beneath the digital face lies a .22-caliber pistol, a phone gun capable of firing four rounds in quick succession with a touch of the otherwise standard keypad. > > …“We find it very, very alarming,” says Wolfgang Dicke of the German Police union. “It means police will have to draw their weapons whenever a person being checked reaches for their mobile phone.” > > …“This criminal invention represents a potentially serious threat to law enforcement and the public,” said U.S. Customs Service Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly. “We received word about these guns last month. We have since alerted our field personnel to be on the lookout for ‘cell phone guns’ at U.S. ports of entry.” > > These new covert guns were first discovered in October when Dutch police stumbled on a cache during a drug raid in Amsterdam. > > In another recent incident a Croatian gun dealer was caught attempting to smuggle a shipment through Slovenia into Western Europe. > > Police say both shipments are believed to have originated in Yugoslavia. Interpol sent out a warning to law enforcement agencies around the world. European border police and customs officers are at a heightened state of alert at all ports, airports and border crossings. > > …Though the novelty of cell-phone guns is interesting, ATF spokesman John D’Angelo says the idea of concealing firearms in common devices is not new. “Disguised weapons have been around forever. We’ve seen guns in the form of canes, pens, beepers. As technology progresses and becomes more prevalent, disguised weapons will change to mirror that.”\* > > [Cell Phone Guns | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/cellgun.asp) I quoted your whole post because it’s an excellent example of you being a shit-for-brains moron. You posted a whole article from Snopes about guns looking like cel phones when the post you quoted was about making cel phones look like guns. :rolleyes: Holy fuck, you’re stupid as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8015 "2016-02-09T01:02:32Z")
I found [this one](http://boingboing.net/2016/01/27/police-sergeant-16-year-old-g.html) today:[ > [@](#): > > Boston Police Sergeant Edwin Guzman’s lawyer says that it’s not really a big deal that he sent a photo of his penis to the sixteen-year-old daughter of a friend, because “You can’t tell me someone her age has never seen a picture of a penis on the Internet.” > > The Sergeant is charged with “annoying and accosting a person of the opposite sex” and “disseminating harmful material to a minor,” which carry a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $200 fine. > [@](#): > > But he disputed the charges that Guzman sent a 16-year-old girl harmful pictures and said even if the allegation were true, he doesn’t believe the material would have been that shocking. ]([Police sergeant: 16 year old girl probably saw penises before I showed her mine, NBD - Boing Boing](http://boingboing.net/2016/01/27/police-sergeant-16-year-old-g.html)) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8016 "2016-02-09T04:36:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I found [this one](http://boingboing.net/2016/01/27/police-sergeant-16-year-old-g.html) today:[url=[Police sergeant: 16 year old girl probably saw penises before I showed her mine, NBD - Boing Boing](http://boingboing.net/2016/01/27/police-sergeant-16-year-old-g.html)] But why do I have the feeling that if Sgt. Guzman had a 16 year-old daughter and some adult was sending her dick pics, the description of this would be different? And maybe that guy would have an unpleasant run in with her father and his fellow officers? Not harmful? Maybe I just don’t get was these crazy kids are use to nowadays? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8017 "2016-02-09T05:26:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > …“We find it very, very alarming,” says Wolfgang Dicke of the German Police union. “It means police will have to draw their weapons whenever a person being checked reaches for their mobile phone.” Like they don’t do that now. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8018 "2016-02-09T12:15:43Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Not harmful? Maybe he has a teensy, weeny, widdle, friendly looking dick. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8019 "2016-02-09T19:51:42Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Maybe he has a teensy, weeny, widdle, friendly looking dick. You’re probably right. That might be why he has a job where he can carry a gun as ego compensation. Probably also drives a big personal car, too. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8020 "2016-02-11T13:46:17Z")
[Welfare-moocher Tamir Rice wanted to sponge off the taxpayers and have his corpse get a free trip to the E.R. when he was murdered by cops. Cleveland isn’t letting him get away with it.](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/tamir-rice-shooting/) Let’s see if Tamir’s mother pays the bill. I’m betting she just wants to keep mooching. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8021 "2016-02-11T14:11:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Welfare-moocher Tamir Rice wanted to sponge off the taxpayers and have his corpse get a free trip to the E.R. when he was murdered by cops. Cleveland isn’t letting him get away with it.](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/tamir-rice-shooting/) > > Let’s see if Tamir’s mother pays the bill. I’m betting she just wants to keep mooching. Wow, seriously lame. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=400) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=402)