# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 426
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8502 "2016-07-24T08:00:32Z")
Serious question: I understand that once a police officer feels fear, duty and protocol require that he empty his magazine into the center of the mass of the [del]innocent citizen[/del] suspected perp. But what if the perp had his ho or child with him, and the ho or brat also makes the cop afraid? Or, heaven forbid, another car shows up with a busted tail-light, and also needs shooting? Do cops carry extra magazines within easy reach in case protocol requires them to kill several innocent citizens in quick succession? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8503 "2016-07-24T11:06:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Do cops carry extra magazines within easy reach in case protocol requires them to kill several innocent citizens in quick succession? Department policies vary, but mostly they permit the cop to stop shooting after ejaculation. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8504 "2016-07-24T12:03:08Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > I suppose the only option is to become a law enforcement officer yourself. (For limited values of enforcement.) Oh man. What if a policeman ordered another policeman to comply and one wound up shooting the other in the face repeatedly ? That would make the Steophans and the Smaptis of the world explode, wouldn’t it ? Who to blindly support AAAAH _splat_ ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8505 "2016-07-24T12:56:32Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Oh man. What if a policeman ordered another policeman to comply and one wound up shooting the other in the face repeatedly ? That would make the Steophans and the Smaptis of the world explode, wouldn’t it ? Who to blindly support AAAAH _splat_ [The police would make shit up and blame it on the person that they shot.](http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/victims-attorney-accidental-dekalb-police-shooting/27305597) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8506 "2016-07-24T17:56:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Oh man. What if a policeman ordered another policeman to comply and one wound up shooting the other in the face repeatedly ? That would make the Steophans and the Smaptis of the world explode, wouldn’t it ? Who to blindly support AAAAH _splat_ The white cop. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8507 "2016-07-24T18:39:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > He seems to think that the police shouldn’t have the same right to self defence as anyone else. He’s wrong. Yep, because regular citizens are always carrying guns with them (2nd Amendment right) and shooting nearby people on the street who have their cellphones (or toy trucks) in their hands. Ya know–it’s self-defense–those things _could possibly_ be guns–they’re practically indistinguishable. Because that’s what some of these cops are doing in their own “self defense”. Must be that the media doesn’t report all these cases of citizens defending themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8508 "2016-07-24T19:20:14Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [The police would make shit up and blame it on the person that they shot.](http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/victims-attorney-accidental-dekalb-police-shooting/27305597) Man, there’s incompetence and there’s incompetence and then there’s this. Assaulting the wrong house, no weapons in the house - one hurt cop, one hurt citizen and a dead dog. Christ on a crutch, this is TSA levels of fucking useless. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8509 "2016-07-24T20:14:22Z")
I was stationed in the Air Force with a guy whose father was a New York state trooper, and he said that his father always carried an unregistered gun with the serial number filed off, so he could drop it near the victim if he ever shot an unarmed person. This guy was shocked that some of thought it was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8510 "2016-07-24T22:25:18Z")
“Don’t fuck with the Jesus…er Police” > [@](#): > > Just 24 hours after Christopher LeDay posted video of Alton Sterling being shot and killed by Baton Rouge police officers, police arrested LeDay where he works. > > After being arrested at Dobbins Air Force Base in Marietta, LeDay was told he was going to jail for assault and battery charges. > > Both LeDay and Simmons say those criminal charges never existed. > > “They never showed a warrant for an assault to my client, in fact my client was held in DeKalb County Jail for at least 26 hours and they never produced a warrant,” Simmons said. > > Simons told Channel 2 Action News when no one could come up with a warrant, she was told her client was being held for “unresolved traffic tickets,” LeDay paid those citations before leaving DeKalb County Jail. [Man fights to work after sharing Alton Sterling shooting video – WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta](http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/man-fights-to-work-after-sharing-police-shooting-video/409024547) ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8511 "2016-07-24T22:56:42Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Must be that the media doesn’t report all these cases of citizens defending themselves. You’re correct there. Selective reporting is a massive problem. Do you really think that laws allowing self defence exist solely to be used by cops? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8512 "2016-07-24T23:27:26Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [The police would make shit up and blame it on the person that they shot.](http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/victims-attorney-accidental-dekalb-police-shooting/27305597) There is no reason for them to make stuff up. [Take for instance the 8 police officers who fired 107 shots at two innocent women delivering newspapers](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt-officers-cleared/index.html). Police were searching for an ex-police officer that had sworn to kill police and when they saw the woman’s blue Toyota Tacoma, they immediately though it was the cops grey Nissan Titan pickup truck and opened fire. No charges were filed against the police officers. Not twenty minutes later, other police rammed a black Honda ridge line with a white guy inside (the ex-officer was black) and then fired several shots at it. No charges. Cops can do whatever they want in the country without consequence. If a citizen acted on their fears like the police do, they would end up in jail. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8513 "2016-07-24T23:50:10Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Cops can do whatever they want in the country without consequence. If a citizen acted on their fears like the police do, they would end up in jail. It’s okay for the police to be afraid of us. But when we respond with fear to the police–like by either hesitating or moving too quickly when they order us around–then we deserve whatever serious injury or death sentence we get. It’s like we are supposed to treat the police like they’re wild animals instead of civil servants. Don’t look them in the eye, don’t make sudden movements, and don’t ask for clarification to their instructions. Or you will be shot, and Rudy Guilliani out there will be saying you were a criminal thug who got what he deserved. The average citizen has a lot more reason to be afraid of the police than the other way around. But if we confess to having this very reasonable fear , we risk getting BLUE LIVES MATTER shouted at us. It shouldn’t be this way. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8514 "2016-07-25T00:03:00Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > But when we respond with fear to the police–like by either hesitating or moving too quickly when they order us around–then we deserve whatever serious injury or death sentence we get. Or get changed with resisting arrest. I am amazed all the people who get charged with resisting arrest for no reason whatsoever. Its like the fall-back, catch all charge for today’s police. > [@monstro](#): > > It shouldn’t be this way. I agree. But there are people like \*\*Smapti \*\*and **Steophan** who think the current state of justice in this country is just fine and its all because of people being uppity. BLM has a point. I was reading about the Chicago Torture Cases and the reparations that Chicago is paying to its victims (you can read about them[here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Burge)) and refelecting on what short shrift African Americans have gotten in this country. All of those African American men that were tortured are still alive; they are my father’s age. Yet to many in this country the age of lynchings is over and BLM are a bunch of thugs. They just can’t see that black people have been lynched, persecuted, tortured, incarcerated, mistreated, ostracized, and shit upon by the various governments of the US for years. They don’t believe that BLM has a case and that blue lives matter and all lives matter not recognizing that black lives have not mattered for generations. These guys need to read some history books or even a newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8515 "2016-07-25T00:28:45Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Or get changed with resisting arrest. I am amazed all the people who get charged with resisting arrest for no reason whatsoever. Its like the fall-back, catch all charge for today’s police. I’ve seen too many videos of cops arresting a totally compliant suspect, all the while shouting “Stop resisting! Stop resisting!” as if to establish justification for any brutality they may be accused of. That shit is why some communities have such a poor relationship with the police. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8516 "2016-07-25T19:06:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > There is no reason for them to make stuff up. [Take for instance the 8 police officers who fired 107 shots at two innocent women delivering newspapers](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt-officers-cleared/index.html). Police were searching for an ex-police officer that had sworn to kill police and when they saw the woman’s blue Toyota Tacoma, they immediately though it was the cops grey Nissan Titan pickup truck and opened fire. No charges were filed against the police officers. Not twenty minutes later, other police rammed a black Honda ridge line with a white guy inside (the ex-officer was black) and then fired several shots at it. No charges. > > Cops can do whatever they want in the country without consequence. If a citizen acted on their fears like the police do, they would end up in jail. > [@](#): > > Among the key findings submitted by the office’s justice system integrity division: My Irony Meter exploded. > [@](#): > > Officers were on a heightened state of alert, given Dorner’s previous violence against police and a report that Dorner was in the area; the officers were conducting a security detail “with limited planning or tactical instruction”; the truck that Margie Carranza and her then-71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, were driving was similar to Dorner’s; and the sound of the women’s newspapers slapping against driveways resembled gunshots. Read: The officers were panicky cowards, could not differentiate the sounds of newspapers hitting pavement from gunshots, could not differentiate a Nissan from a Toyota and could not tell grey from blue and are not able to read a license plate. Almost every officer emptied their magazine’s 15 shot capacity without knowing who they were shooting at. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8517 "2016-07-25T20:18:18Z")
They were only intending to inflict 107 wounds, they weren’t shooting to kill! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8518 "2016-07-25T23:39:57Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > They were only intending to inflict 107 wounds, they weren’t shooting to kill! It doesn’t matter what they were trying to do. Nothing matters. Well, except blue lives, they matter. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8519 "2016-07-26T20:47:05Z")
White guy blocks the driveway into Dr. Dre’s house in Malibu. Dr. Dre gets out of his car to confront the guy. They get into an argument, but the white guy moved his car. Dr. Dre pulls into his driveway, white guy pulls his car back to block the driveway again. More confrontation. Dr. Dre pulls out his phone to record the incident. White guy calls the cops claiming Dr. Dre pulled a gun on him. [Five cops show up, handcuff Dr. Dre in his own house and pit him into a patrol car.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/07/26/five-cops-handcuff-dr-dre-at-his-home-because-a-racist-white-guy-claimed-he-had-a-gun-video/) Need I point out Dr. Dre’s skin color? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8520 "2016-07-26T20:54:29Z")
Does Dr. Dre have security cameras pointed at his driveway? Because if he does, he’s got a wonderful case of filing a police report and the basis of a lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8521 "2016-07-26T22:25:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > ]Five cops show up, handcuff Dr. Dre in his own house and pit him into a patrol car. Geez, handcuffing him was bad enough, but pitting him was totally uncalled for. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=425) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=427)