# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 427
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8522 "2016-07-26T22:32:06Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > White guy blocks the driveway into Dr. Dre’s house in Malibu. Dr. Dre gets out of his car to confront the guy. They get into an argument, but the white guy moved his car. Dr. Dre pulls into his driveway, white guy pulls his car back to block the driveway again. More confrontation. Dr. Dre pulls out his phone to record the incident. White guy calls the cops claiming Dr. Dre pulled a gun on him. [Five cops show up, handcuff Dr. Dre in his own house and pit him into a patrol car.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/07/26/five-cops-handcuff-dr-dre-at-his-home-because-a-racist-white-guy-claimed-he-had-a-gun-video/) > > Need I point out Dr. Dre’s skin color? Wow. That is an awful story. As badly written. Racist white guy? Nothing presented points to racism. Guy could have been an equal opportunity asshole. > [@](#): > > Despite not finding a gun, the accuser insisted on making a citizen’s arrest and filled out a report. Does the writer know what citizen’s arrest means? Lot’s of bias in that story. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8523 "2016-07-27T02:55:36Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Wow. That is an awful story. As badly written. > > Racist white guy? Nothing presented points to racism. Guy could have been an equal opportunity asshole. > > Does the writer know what citizen’s arrest means? > > Lot’s of bias in that story. …ya know, if you’ve been on the internet for a while you would know that sites like “addicting info” aren’t always the best of cites. But it takes less than a second to highlight and search for news stories on “Dr Dre” to find versions of the story that you might find more palatable. Regarding the citizens arrest: > [@](#): > > The motorist, however, insisted that Dr Dre threatened him and pursued a citizen’s arrest, which is allowed under California law when a private individual witnesses a crime. > > The sheriff’s department said it gave Dr Dre a citation in connection with the citizen’s arrest but did not take any further action. [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c\_id=1501119&objectid=11682101](http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11682101) Do you know what a citizens arrest is under California law? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8524 "2016-07-27T07:57:44Z")
You know, even if you’re inclined to believe that black people are being treated unfairly by police and arrested on bogus charges, the idea of Dr. Dre pulling a gun on someone _really_ isn’t that far-fetched. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8525 "2016-07-27T11:00:57Z")
Huh. So Fuck Wit Dre Day is a real thing ?! I didn’t know that ! ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8526 "2016-07-27T11:34:10Z")
[Officer says he wanted to testify about Sandra Bland, but was threatened with retaliation.](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20160726-officer-says-he-wanted-to-testify-about-sandra-bland-was-threatened-with-retaliation.ece) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8527 "2016-07-27T12:02:39Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Officer says he wanted to testify about Sandra Bland, but was threatened with retaliation.](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20160726-officer-says-he-wanted-to-testify-about-sandra-bland-was-threatened-with-retaliation.ece) Wow. I hope investigators follow up. Maybe the national news ought to as well. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8528 "2016-07-27T13:48:44Z")
Aye; a lot of the public already “knows” that the cops are all on one side and it’s not ours. This could help break that into the open so we can start to deal with it (as well as dealing with the people involved int his one incident, if there is sufficient evidence to charge them with a crime). ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8529 "2016-07-27T18:00:02Z")
[Holy fucking shit.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/jailer-chokes-inmate-to-death-on-video-but-still-hasn-t-been-charged.html) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8530 "2016-07-27T19:18:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You know, even if you’re inclined to believe that black people are being treated unfairly by police and arrested on bogus charges, \. > [@monstro](#): > > [Officer says he wanted to testify about Sandra Bland, but was threatened with retaliation.](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20160726-officer-says-he-wanted-to-testify-about-sandra-bland-was-threatened-with-retaliation.ece) Maybe you should read this, **Smapt** i: > [@](#): > > Charleston said that, in the recorded conversation, Kelley told him that he heard Encinia say he hadn’t decided what charge to book Bland on, even though he had already detained her. > > “He said, ‘I have no idea what I’m going to arrest her for, but we’ll figure it out when we get to the county jail,’” Charleston said. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8531 "2016-07-27T20:05:02Z")
Read t[hi](http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Local-officer-says-Trooper-Encinia-didn-t-have-8423635.php)s, too, **Smapti** - > [@](#): > > Waller County District Attorney Elton Mathis responded to the allegations of retaliation Tuesday afternoon, saying the allegations were “fictional accounts.” > > “I unequivocally state that he never approached me, my first assistant, or any member of my staff with any such information,” Mathis said in a written statement emailed to the Chronicle. “His job was never threatened by me or my staff, and I barely knew who he was before he was indicted.” And [also](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20160726-officer-says-he-wanted-to-testify-about-sandra-bland-was-threatened-with-retaliation.ece) - > [@](#): > > Kelley has been charged with official oppression in an unrelated incident stemming from his use of a Taser on a City Council member who reportedly wasn’t following police instructions. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8532 "2016-07-27T21:08:57Z")
So the take home message is that cops are dirty and abusive even when they present as whistleblowers. God bless America! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8533 "2016-07-28T06:04:07Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Maybe you should read this, **Smapt** i: I don’t see what the problem is. Bland committed any number of crimes during the events that lead to her arrest - it was the officer’s discretion which to pursue legal charges on. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8534 "2016-07-28T12:31:27Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > [Holy fucking shit.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/jailer-chokes-inmate-to-death-on-video-but-still-hasn-t-been-charged.html) Wow. Well, if jail staff are going to respond to the bipartisan (but more Democratic) call to reduce our prison population, they might as well start with the deadbeat dads. (Apologies for the attempt at humor about this serious incident.) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8535 "2016-07-28T12:32:40Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > So the take home message is that cops are dirty and abusive even when they present as whistleblowers. An allegedly abusive cop who claims to be a whistleblower, who has no evidence to back up his allegations and who is contradicted by those to whom he supposedly made the claim - you take that at face value. A cop who was neither dirty nor abusive, whose testimony is backed up by mountains of evidence - you claim he is lying. The take home message is that you will believe anything, providing it tells you what you already believe. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8536 "2016-07-28T13:36:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t see what the problem is. Bland committed any number of crimes during the events that lead to her arrest - it was the officer’s discretion which to pursue legal charges on. Or, the cop decided to escalate the situation and arrest her for being uppity (smoking a cigarette in her car, IIRC). Then he had to figure out a charge(s). This may or may not be the case here, since the “whistleblower” has his own issues that undermine his credibility. Although, I know you would find a situation like a bogus arrest of a black person inconceivable. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8537 "2016-07-28T16:33:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t see what the problem is. Bland committed any number of crimes during the events that lead to her arrest - it was the officer’s discretion which to pursue legal charges on. That is an _extraordinarily_ generous interpretation of the officer’s comments. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8538 "2016-07-28T16:59:19Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > That is an _extraordinarily_ generous interpretation of the officer’s comments. Remember, Smapti is pure Lawful Neutral. The LAW and the LAW ENFORCERS are always right and there are zero moral considerations and zero ambiguity. Whether the situation and the actors are good or evil doesn’t matter. The cops are always the good guys and the people they’re dealing with are always the bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8539 "2016-07-29T00:27:56Z")
Here’s some fun: **Cops mistake Krispy Kreme doughnut glaze for meth.** [http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/…727-story.html](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-cop-mistook-doughnut-glaze-for-meth-20160727-story.html) > [@](#): > > …a pair of Orlando police officers pulled him over, spotted four tiny flakes of glaze on his floorboard and arrested him, saying they were pieces of crystal methamphetamine. > > The officers did two roadside drug tests and both came back positive for the illegal substance, according to his arrest report. > > He was handcuffed, arrested, taken to the county jail and strip searched, he said. > > A state crime lab, however, did another test several weeks later and cleared him. > > … > > “I kept telling them, 'That’s … glaze from a doughnut. … They tried to say it was crack cocaine at first, then they said, ‘No, it’s meth, crystal meth.’” > > His arrest report confirms that he tried to tell them. > > “Rushing stated that the substance is sugar from a Krispie Kreme Donut that he ate,” Riggs-Hopkins wrote. > > She booked him into the county jail on a charge of possession of methamphetamine with a firearm. He was locked up for about 10 hours before his release on $2,500 bond, he said. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8540 "2016-07-29T01:28:38Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Here’s some fun: > > **Cops mistake Krispy Kreme doughnut glaze for meth.** > > [http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/…727-story.html](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-cop-mistook-doughnut-glaze-for-meth-20160727-story.html) The obvious joke is that you would think cops could recognize doughnut glaze. But maybe they did. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8541 "2016-07-29T06:45:41Z")
> [@](#): > > The officers did two roadside drug tests and both came back positive for the illegal substance, according to his arrest report. That’s what sticking out to me. Because since the flakes _were_ sugar, that means the officers in question either lied flat out… or they had meth fingers themselves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=426) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=428)