# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 428
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8542 "2016-07-29T07:05:42Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > That’s what sticking out to me. Because since the flakes _were_ sugar, that means the officers in question either lied flat out… or they had meth fingers themselves. Roadside drug tests [produce a lot of false positives](https://www.propublica.org/article/common-roadside-drug-test-routinely-produces-false-positives): > [@](#): > > Data from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement lab system show that 21 percent of evidence that the police listed as methamphetamine after identifying it was not methamphetamine, and half of those false positives were not any kind of illegal drug at all. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8543 "2016-07-29T08:18:21Z")
Huh. Wrong 1/4th of the time ? Good, sound tool. Better than a coin toss, even ! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8544 "2016-07-29T08:28:29Z")
Good enough for the \*\*S&S \*\*brothers for who Law Enforcement can do no wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8545 "2016-07-29T08:43:00Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Good enough for the \*\*S&S \*\*brothers for who Law Enforcement can do no wrong. If roadside drug tests are as inaccurate as these articles say they are, then no, the police shouldn’t be using them. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8546 "2016-07-29T08:56:54Z")
So, are you finally admitting there might be flaws in “The System”? Seems like a big step up to reality for you, **Sampti**. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8547 "2016-07-29T08:57:33Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Huh. Wrong 1/4th of the time ? Good, sound tool. Better than a coin toss, even ! Half of the false positives ended up being other illegal drugs, though, so it was more like 1/10 of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8548 "2016-07-29T09:01:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > So, are you finally admitting there might be flaws in “The System”? > > Seems like a big step up to reality for you, **Sampti**. If the tools “The System” is using are flawed, then they need to be refined or replaced. Justice is not served when people are falsely convicted due to pseudoscience. (PS: You spelled my name wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8549 "2016-07-29T11:16:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If the tools “The System” is using are flawed, then they need to be refined or replaced. Justice is not served when people are falsely convicted due to pseudoscience. > > (PS: You spelled my name wrong.) My apologies, but what do you think happens if your name is mis-spelled in some database? Exactly “who” are you going to explain to “who” it’s a mistake, or are you going to be fucked with to no end? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8550 "2016-07-29T13:28:20Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Half of the false positives ended up being other illegal drugs, though, so it was more like 1/10 of the time. Just because you railroad someone who actually is guilty of \*\*a \*\*crime doesn’t mean the system works. Similarly, your crack-o-meter pinging for someone who’s just smoked a fat bowl isn’t a win for your crack-o-meter. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8551 "2016-07-29T20:44:15Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If the tools “The System” is using are flawed, then they need to be refined or replaced. Justice is not served when people are falsely convicted due to pseudoscience. > > (PS: You spelled my name wrong.) The tools that are flawed are police officers. You are correct. Many, many need to be replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8552 "2016-07-30T00:41:52Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The tools that are flawed are police officers. You are correct. Many, many need to be replaced. My guess = Smapti: “That’s unpossible!” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8553 "2016-07-30T00:47:23Z")
[Here’s a YouTube showing John Kasich being ticketed for a traffic law violation.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z0oQ9rEZEA) Later, Kasich complains that the cop (who appears black) treated him disrespectfully. Instead the whole episode is on film; the cop treats Kasich very respectfully, and certainly doesn’t shoot or even taze Kasich. I guess there’s one standard for white cops encountering black drivers, and a separate standard for black cops encountering white drivers. Or is it the same standard? In either case, the black needs to put his tail between legs and say “Yes, Massah.” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8554 "2016-07-30T18:07:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > My guess = Smapti: “That’s unpossible!” I’m sure that’s a perfectly cromulent **S&S** world view. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8555 "2016-07-30T18:26:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Here’s a YouTube showing John Kasich being ticketed for a traffic law violation.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z0oQ9rEZEA) Later, Kasich complains that the cop (who appears black) treated him disrespectfully. Instead the whole episode is on film; the cop treats Kasich very respectfully, and certainly doesn’t shoot or even taze Kasich. > > I guess there’s one standard for white cops encountering black drivers, and a separate standard for black cops encountering white drivers. > > Or is it the same standard? In either case, the black needs to put his tail between legs and say “Yes, Massah.” Wow! After all these posts, you nail the issue _exactly_. Thanks for the insight! ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8556 "2016-07-30T20:56:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Here’s a YouTube showing John Kasich being ticketed for a traffic law violation.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z0oQ9rEZEA) Later, Kasich complains that the cop (who appears black) treated him disrespectfully. Instead the whole episode is on film; the cop treats Kasich very respectfully, and certainly doesn’t shoot or even taze Kasich. > > I guess there’s one standard for white cops encountering black drivers, and a separate standard for black cops encountering white drivers. > > Or is it the same standard? In either case, the black needs to put his tail between legs and say “Yes, Massah.” That officer does not appear black to me. Here is another video where you can see him more clearly, but the video you posted was clear enough for me. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-mgtR5mQKM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-mgtR5mQKM) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8557 "2016-07-30T23:11:48Z")
[Kentucky judge outraged that jail officials sent a female prisoner to court with no pants (after holding her for three days in jail with no pants or sanitary devices).](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kentucky-jail-woman-no-pants_us_579cf681e4b0e2e15eb61eec?) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8558 "2016-07-31T01:19:30Z")
I commend and applaud Judge Amber Wolf for her class and her restraint. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8559 "2016-08-02T12:42:02Z")
From Australia this time: [Melbourne police officer allegedly shoots man three times, plants knife on body](http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/melbourne-police-officer-allegedly-shoots-man-three-times-plants-knife-on-body-20160801-gqihg1.html). ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8560 "2016-08-02T15:27:51Z")
[Cops shoot, kill woman barricaded with little boy wounded in Baltimore standoff – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cops-shoot-kill-woman-barricaded-boy-baltimore-standoff-article-1.2735207)[http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-police-barricade-20160801-story.html](http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-police-barricade-20160801-story.html) They shot her and there are a few questions like who shot the child (I thought he was sitting with his mom who was pointing “a long gun” at the police?) and whether any of the police involved were wearing a body camera. And one more question: who took down Korryn’s videos? [https://www.rt.com/usa/354330-baltimore-police-korryn-gaines/](https://www.rt.com/usa/354330-baltimore-police-korryn-gaines/) ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8561 "2016-08-02T21:25:42Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > And one more question: who took down Korryn’s videos? [https://www.rt.com/usa/354330-baltimore-police-korryn-gaines/](https://www.rt.com/usa/354330-baltimore-police-korryn-gaines/) Not a decisive answer but from FB community standards page > [@](#): > > We prohibit the use of Facebook to facilitate or organize criminal activity that causes physical harm to people, businesses or animals, or financial damage to people or businesses. We work with law enforcement when we believe there is a genuine risk of physical harm or direct threats to public safety. > > **We also prohibit you from celebrating any crimes you’ve committed.** We do, however, allow people to debate or advocate for the legality of criminal activities, as well as address them in a humorous or satirical way. bolding mine, broadcasting to FB while you are in the middle of a police standoff IMHO could fall into that classification. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=427) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=429)