# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 429
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8562 "2016-08-02T22:24:55Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > Not a decisive answer but from FB community standards page > > bolding mine, broadcasting to FB while you are in the middle of a police standoff IMHO could fall into that classification. The cops asked Facebook to disable the account [Korryn Gaines Full Videos From Traffic Stop & Standoff](http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/korryn-gaines-instagram-videos-full-before-shooting-with-son-police-traffic-stop-shotgun-shesyourmajesty/) To me that’s like shutting off the body cams so there isn’t an video evidence. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8563 "2016-08-03T00:15:46Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > The cops asked Facebook to disable the account [Korryn Gaines Full Videos From Traffic Stop & Standoff](http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/korryn-gaines-instagram-videos-full-before-shooting-with-son-police-traffic-stop-shotgun-shesyourmajesty/) > > To me that’s like shutting off the body cams so there isn’t an video evidence. Meh, communications isolation is hardly a new tactic, this is just a new medium. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8564 "2016-08-03T04:42:53Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > Meh, communications isolation is hardly a new tactic, this is just a new medium. Yeah, but you don’t need to isolate her once you have shot her. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8565 "2016-08-03T17:05:33Z")
[Report: Chicago agency had no records on 6 police shootings](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-chicago-agency-had-no-records-on-6-police-shootings/ar-BBva4fx) > [@](#): > > The beleaguered Chicago agency that investigates police-involved shootings made no mention in quarterly reports in recent years of dozens of incidents in which officers fired their weapons and had no records at all of six shooting incidents, the city’s inspector general found in a report released Tuesday. The agency that investigates officer-involved shootings is in the dark. > [@](#): > > “We can only report about what the Police Department notifies us about,” IPRA spokeswoman Mia Sissac said Tuesday, adding that the department reported, though was not required to report shooting incidents in which no one was struck. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8566 "2016-08-03T18:43:24Z")
“We can only report about what the Police Department notifies us about,” _Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?_ ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8567 "2016-08-05T19:06:03Z")
**Chicago releases ‘shocking’ video of police shooting unarmed teen** > **[Videos of deadly cop shooting show procedural errors, confusion over shots](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html)** > > Videos from the fatal shooting of Paul O'Neal by Chicago police show a succession of apparent procedural errors, including police firing at a fleeing vehicle Well it’s not shocking in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8568 "2016-08-05T21:21:05Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > To me that’s like shutting off the body cams so there isn’t an video evidence. Apparently fb is making the account go invisible but not restricting the account holder from posting. So the video would be saved, but the general user base would not see it until fb unlocks the visibility restrictions. ---
**Author:** ![heartsplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d9b06d/32.png) [@heartsplayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heartsplayer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8569 "2016-08-05T21:43:29Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > **Chicago releases ‘shocking’ video of police shooting unarmed teen** > [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html) > > Well it’s not shocking in Chicago. Oh FFS. I saw this on the news ecently, and I don’t even live in the US. I feel much better knowing that the UK (which is where I live) doesn’t have mad gun-happy police forces who shoot at the earliest given opportunity! When will the US police forces have the right to shoot like this removed/revoked? Unless the guns are taken away, this will continue to happen. These police offers shouldn’t be shooting people like this! Imagine if we, the general public, started shooting the cops like this! Whenever a cop shoots someone like this, when the person that has been shot, did not carry out a life threatening action to another person (which he clearly didn’t), then the police officer(s) involved should be immediately charged and tried for MURDER. And with evidence like that, they’d be convicted - and hopefully killed. After all, a life for a life; if the police shoot someone like this, then the police should be shot themselves! Rant over… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8570 "2016-08-08T07:35:05Z")
FYI, I had the experience of working with a local cop this weekend and he showed how his body cam worked. It was attached to his vest via a magnet, so I can see how the camera might be dislodged in a struggle. However, this would not explain how the cameras “fail” from a distance when there is a shooting involved without physical contact. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8571 "2016-08-08T11:15:42Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > FYI, I had the experience of working with a local cop this weekend and he showed how his body cam worked. It was attached to his vest via a magnet, so I can see how the camera might be dislodged in a struggle. However, this would not explain how the cameras “fail” from a distance when there is a shooting involved without physical contact. Perhaps these police cameras have a “parental control” setting, where scenes that are violent or sexual in nature are censored for our protection? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8572 "2016-08-10T05:10:04Z")
> [@](#): > > A woman was shot and killed Tuesday night during a Citizen Police Academy shooting scenario in Punta Gorda, in Southwest Florida, according to Punta Gorda police. > > The woman, identified as Mary Knowlton [aged 73], was one of 35 people taking part in the two-hour academy, police said in an e-mail. > > During the scenario dubbed “shoot/don’t shoot,” participants were randomly selected and asked to make decisions on whether to use lethal force. > > Police said Knowlton was struck with a “live round and was fatally injured.” She was taken to a nearby hospital where she died. [http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article94751262.html](http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article94751262.html) Those of us who are not cops would not be using live rounds in this type situation. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8573 "2016-08-10T13:21:36Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article94751262.html](http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article94751262.html) > > Those of us who are not cops would not be using live rounds in this type situation. She was attacking him with a banana! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8574 "2016-08-10T13:25:52Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > She was attacking him with a banana! Release the tiger. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8575 "2016-08-10T14:27:43Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Those of us who are not cops would not be using live rounds in this type situation. Why were they using real guns at all? Christ, buy a cap gun for this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8576 "2016-08-10T14:35:16Z")
[The Justice Dept’s report](http://www.vox.com/2016/8/10/12418428/baltimore-police-investigation-justice-department-report) on Baltimore’s police looks pretty damning based on my reading so far, though I haven’t read the whole report yet. Some examples: more random searches on black people with less cause and less findings of contraband; Baltimore cops escalate encounters to violence without reason; they had been warned of dangerous transportation practices prior to Freddie Gray’s death; and they don’t seriously investigate sexual assault reports. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8577 "2016-08-10T15:00:50Z")
“Oh they just need more training” FUCK THAT SHIT They need to clean house and fire these motherfuckers. Enmasse. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8578 "2016-08-10T15:06:34Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Remember, Smapti is pure Lawful Neutral. The LAW and the LAW ENFORCERS are always right and there are zero moral considerations and zero ambiguity. I disagree. When a cop does something against the law, **Smapti** believes it’s the cop that’s right. Because no citizen is above the law unless he happens to have a badge. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8579 "2016-08-10T15:31:41Z")
I work for the state. If someday I shoot my coworker to death, I’ll explain that I simply need more training. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8580 "2016-08-10T15:57:30Z")
The Baltimore mayor is black, the police chief is black, the city council is 2/3 black. Since Baltimore blacks are in control, they can have any kind of police force they want–and the current situation is what they have chosen. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8581 "2016-08-10T16:27:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [The Justice Dept’s report](http://www.vox.com/2016/8/10/12418428/baltimore-police-investigation-justice-department-report) on Baltimore’s police looks pretty damning based on my reading so far, though I haven’t read the whole report yet. Some examples: more random searches on black people with less cause and less findings of contraband; Baltimore cops escalate encounters to violence without reason; they had been warned of dangerous transportation practices prior to Freddie Gray’s death; and they don’t seriously investigate sexual assault reports. From that article: > [@](#): > > The Justice Department is also clear in where the blame lies: This is not the story of a few bad apples in the police department; these are systemic issues propagated by leadership, poor guidance, shoddy training, and essentially no accountability to speak of — and these issues go back to at least the 1990s, when city leaders in Baltimore stated “zero tolerance” anti-crime policies. But, but…how can that be? According to **Smapti** , “bad apples” are extremely rare. And to believe otherwise makes you an anarchist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=428) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=430)