# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 434
**Author:** ![aliensshow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@aliensshow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aliensshow)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8662 "2016-08-26T18:08:04Z")
> [@mrazyuka](#): > > [Policemen in Oregon shoot and kill a Muslim refugee](http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/08/man_shot_killed_by_police_offi.html) What a loss for the cultural enrichment another gay nightclub massacre would’ve brought. ---
**Author:** ![mrazyuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@mrazyuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrazyuka)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8663 "2016-08-26T18:13:07Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > That’s not a helpful description. And it doesn’t look in the least controversial to me. A man was attacking another with some kind of pole, and when the cop walked in they guy immediately switched targets to the cop and started clubbing him. Why is this controversial? It’s controversial in the current political climate, where some people advocate bringing more people like Omer Ismail Ali into our country, while other people advocate prohibiting people like Omer Ismail Ali from entering our country. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8664 "2016-08-26T18:28:25Z")
> [@mrazyuka](#): > > It’s controversial in the current political climate, where some people advocate bringing more people like Omer Ismail Ali into our country, while other people advocate prohibiting people like Omer Ismail Ali from entering our country. The article doesn’t even mention the word “Muslim”. You’re just assuming he is by his name? ---
**Author:** ![mrazyuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@mrazyuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrazyuka)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8665 "2016-08-26T18:34:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > The article doesn’t even mention the word “Muslim”. You’re just assuming he is by his name? That, and the fact that he’s from Sudan (where [97%](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Sudan) of population are Muslim). ---
**Author:** ![mrazyuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@mrazyuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrazyuka)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8666 "2016-08-26T18:35:27Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/kgdavv7RK2s/hqdefault.jpg "Earledreka White Arrested at Houston Traffic Stop") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgdavv7RK2s) A cop pulls over an African-American woman. Couple of observations: 1. What is the relevance here of woman being a “Licensed clinician”? Are licensed clinicians exempt from traffic stops? 2. Why is the woman asking 911 dispatcher to call 911? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8667 "2016-08-26T19:18:42Z")
> [@aliensshow](#): > > What a loss for the cultural enrichment another gay nightclub massacre would’ve brought. Come on, you’re barely even trying now. Skillful trolling requires effort, and you’re just phoning it in. ---
**Author:** ![mrazyuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@mrazyuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrazyuka)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8668 "2016-08-26T20:19:48Z")
King Yella is shot while filming BLM video. No word yet, but it’s possible this was another police shooting. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/xmcPg8VGJDg/maxresdefault.jpg "Video shoot gone wrong: Rapper King Yella Shot while shooting Black Lives matter video") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmcPg8VGJDg) “I’m out here doing a Black Lives Matter video shoot and got shot. Tryna stop the violence and niggas still wanna be on that.” “Y’all hit me twice grazed my bitch I’m good walked right out the hospital. God got me we good” ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8669 "2016-08-26T23:24:33Z")
> [@mrazyuka](#): > > It’s controversial in the current political climate, where some people advocate bringing more people like Omer Ismail Ali into our country, while other people advocate prohibiting people like Omer Ismail Ali from entering our country. In other words, no controversial encounter between law-enforcement and civilians. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8670 "2016-08-27T00:25:40Z")
I am disturbed to discover that Oregon has annexed Cowlitz County. Why was that not in the news? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8671 "2016-08-27T11:32:48Z")
When the fuck did this thread derail so horribly? Trump supporters are the worst. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8672 "2016-08-27T15:05:41Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > When the fuck did this thread derail so horribly? Trump supporters are the worst. It’s almost as if they use racism to explain away their own lack of success. ---
**Author:** ![mrazyuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@mrazyuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrazyuka)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8673 "2016-08-27T17:40:13Z")
[NYPD tries to discredit a diversity-related event](https://twitter.com/NYPD71Pct/status/768950809858043904/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) On a personal note, it has gotten very tame in the last few years. This parade was good for at least a dozen shootings and stabbings (and 3 - 6 homicides) in its heyday. I’m not exaggerating. One year (200 I think) I was posted outside a Wendy’s on Eastern Parkway which was packed with human refuse when all of a sudden hundreds of people ran out all at once. The last guy in there stumbled out holding his eye which was squirting blood like a water pistol through his fingers. He was stabbed in the eye for cutting the line (allegedly). As I’m watching that, a cabbie approached me and told me a woman was having a baby in his cab down the block. While I was dealing with that lady huffing, puffing and writhing around in the backseat of a cab, Governor Pataki’s motorcade advance team pulled up in a panic and pestered me about the best way to get him to the parade route through the crowds. I just looked at the guy like ‘are you fucking kidding me?’ Every year it was a shit show. We were ordered to take no enforcement action year after year. All we did was call for ambulances to scoop up the bloody messes strewn all over the parade route. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8674 "2016-08-27T18:00:21Z")
> [@mrazyuka](#): > > [NYPD tries to discredit a diversity-related event](https://twitter.com/NYPD71Pct/status/768950809858043904/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) 😕😕😕 It doesn’t look to me like they’re trying to discredit the event. They are exhorting people to keep the event free of violence, and to celebrate in a peaceful manner. > [@mrazyuka](#): > > On a personal note, it has gotten very tame in the last few years. This parade was good for at least a dozen shootings and stabbings (and 3 - 6 homicides) in its heyday. I’m not exaggerating. So you yourself say that the event has been violent in the past, and yet the same observation made by the NYPD is an effort to discredit the event? Your contributions so far suggest that you have not really worked out the purpose of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![mrazyuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@mrazyuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrazyuka)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8675 "2016-08-27T18:10:02Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > 😕😕😕 > > It doesn’t look to me like they’re trying to discredit the event. They are exhorting people to keep the event free of violence, and to celebrate in a peaceful manner. > . Why do you think they need to issue this warning for this particular event, and not, say, for Columbus Day parade? > [@mhendo](#): > > So you yourself say that the event has been violent in the past It is still violent, make no mistake about it, it’s just that instead of a guaranteed multiple homicides, you get one or two. Last year, a Cuomo aide was shot in the head. The stabbings are also still occur in dozens, if not hundreds. > [@mhendo](#): > > and yet the same observation made by the NYPD is an effort to discredit the event? You don’t think NYPD implying that a whole parade is a violence-prone affair is an effort to discredit the strength of the diversity? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8676 "2016-08-27T19:21:22Z")
> [@mrazyuka](#): > > You don’t think NYPD implying that a whole parade is a violence-prone affair is an effort to discredit the strength of the diversity? While you linked to the NYPD’s Twitter feed, the newspaper advertisement itself is not simply a product of the NYPD. If you look at the whole image, you’ll see that the NYPD is one of 8 different organizations who came together with this message. Those organizations are, as far as i can tell from the ad: Kings County District Attorney The City of Brooklyn 67th Precinct Clergy Council 69th Precinct Clergy Council _ **J’Ouvert City International** _ Nostrand Avenue [I assume a community organization or business group] Not Another Child [a Brooklyn anti-violence organization] NYPD Emphasis mine. J’Ouvert City International is the group that organizes the event, and they have a video on their own [website](http://jouvertcityint.org/p/jouvert-promotes-change) where: > [@](#): > > The President of J’Ouvert City International Yvette Rennie stood with Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, Police Commissioner Bratton and other officials and community leaders today to call for peace and a successful J’Ouvert morning celebration for this year and years to come. The people who organize the festival are calling for it to be a peaceful celebration. Here’s [a news story](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/caribbeat-broad-push-ouvert-safety-article-1.2732482) talking about the fact that event organizers want “to prevent the cultural event from being marred by gang violence and other crimes.” If you look at the video i’ve linked above, you’ll see that Yvette Rennie, the President of J’Ouvert City International, calls for the gangs who have marred prior parades to “put the gun down that night, and celebrate J’Ouvert with us.” I understand the impetus to criticize the police in cases like this. It does sometimes seem that authority figures in the United States like to lecture black people and black communities in ways that they don’t lecture white people and white communities. But it’s worth remembering that millions of civilians in this country—black and otherwise—want their own neighborhoods and their own cultural celebrations to be free of violence, and if the police actually help with that goal, then they are doing their job. Part of my impetus in starting this thread in the first place was that we, as a society, should want the police to be keeping people and communities safe, and that in doing this job they should also respect the rights of the people they are charged with serving and protecting. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8677 "2016-08-27T19:49:12Z")
Never mind all that. I strongly suspect our new member is a troll, based on this thread, and on [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=802778). ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8678 "2016-08-28T14:21:06Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Never mind all that. I strongly suspect our new member is a troll, based on this thread, and on [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=802778). Trolling sock. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8679 "2016-08-30T16:02:31Z")
[At the 5:30 mark in this YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8LCaIjxSaU), we hear a DOJ report on Baltimore Police describing a woman subjected to anal cavity search. The charge? Defective headlight while Black. Do even the Smapti/Steophan bots defend the Baltimore Police? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8680 "2016-08-30T16:13:03Z")
As i said a bit earlier in the thread, i read the whole report, and there’s some ghastly stuff in there. The incident you mention in discussed on pp. 32-33: > [@](#): > > BPD’s Eastern District publicly strip-searched a woman following a routine traffic stop for a missing headlight. Officers ordered the woman to exit her vehicle, remove her clothes, and stand on the sidewalk to be searched. The woman asked the male officer in charge “I really gotta take all my clothes off?” The male officer replied “yeah” and ordered a female officer to strip search the woman. The female officer then put on purple latex gloves, pulled up the woman’s shirt and searched around her bra. Finding no weapons or contraband around the woman’s chest, the officer then pulled down the woman’s underwear and searched her anal cavity. This search again found no evidence of wrongdoing and the officers released the woman without charges. Indeed, the woman received only a repair order for her headlight. The search occurred in full view of the street, although the supervising male officer claimed he “turned away” and did not watch the woman disrobe. After the woman filed a complaint, BPD investigators corroborated the woman’s story with testimony from several witnesses and by recovering the female officer’s latex gloves from the search location. Officers conducted this highly invasive search despite lacking any indication that the woman had committed a criminal offense or possessed concealed contraband. The male officer who ordered the search received only a “simple reprimand” and an instruction that he could not serve as an officer in charge until he was “properly trained.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/8681 "2016-08-30T16:43:59Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > As i said a bit earlier in the thread, i read the whole report, and there’s some ghastly stuff in there. The incident you mention in discussed on pp. 32-33: That’s seriously fucked up. I hope she sues them for tens of thousands. A busted headlight stop and you get strip searched in public? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=433) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=435)