# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 464
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9262 "2016-09-30T17:18:46Z")
[Bad cops rarely fired for Bad Behavior](http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/bad-cops-rarely-fired-for-bad-behavior/?ftag=MSF0951a18) [Stop hiring ‘Gypsy’ cops!](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/push-to-keep-gypsy-cops-with-questionable-pasts-off-the-streets/ar-BBwGAkp) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9263 "2016-09-30T17:19:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > . …at the family’s request… > > FTFY. > > Regards, > Shodan Bullshit ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9264 "2016-09-30T17:20:21Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > For what? Being large and black? His car stalled. His only crime was not complying with an officer, when he did nothing wrong. Nothing about that entire encounter was justified. Yes!!! Not complying with an officer and heading back to your car where you could have a weapon is enough justification to be shot by a taser. They should have tasered him sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9265 "2016-09-30T17:22:43Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Here’s why I, personally, get upset about it. Any one of those deaths _could have been_ a friend of mine. Or me. \*\* > > And I do not think an attitude of ‘do whatever the police officer tells you so as you don’t get shot’ is reasonable or acceptable. > > [sub]\*\* This is what the other side is having trouble with. They believe that it can never happen to them or theirs. They are mistaken.[/sub] I’m not saying that there is some acceptable level of murder but sometimes the media can magnify a problem beyond proportionality. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9266 "2016-09-30T17:23:35Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Tone policing the protesters, apparently. Let me amend that response a bit. Rioting is stupid, wrong, and destructive. But if this completely de-legitimizes their cause, do you also refuse to support any sports team whose fans riot? Does it de-legitimize the team and the entire league? Rioting is a symptom of disease. That disease (Dis-Ease, or not at ease) is one of not listening and not caring. We have huge injustices and inequities in this world and in our nation. We can do better. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9267 "2016-09-30T17:25:18Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Like the care-giver for the autistic guy? Well, that was fucked up. You won’t get an argument from me on that. You also won’t get an argument from me about the actual shooting of Terence Crutcher. But, the tasering that immediately preceded the shooting? Yeah I think that was justified. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9268 "2016-09-30T17:28:42Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But, as you have said that non-compliance IS threatening behavior, what exactly is the distinction that you are trying to make? It depends on the non-compliance. If I am engaging in a sit in at the Wisconsin state capital building eating free pizza being sent to me by people all over the country (wtf? nobody can send some sodapop?) and refuse to budge, then cops can’t shoot me for non-compliance. If I am told to drop the gun and I don’t drop the gun, then I can be shot. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9269 "2016-09-30T17:32:18Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Bullshit Translation: I didn’t read the cite. FTFY too. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9270 "2016-09-30T17:33:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’d like to see a cite, where the “variable being adjusted for” focuses on unnecessary killings of people posing no threat, murders where the only explanation for the police behavior is racism or cowardice. > > Yes, we can read the stats and know many whites are killed by cops. But many or most of those whites were brandishing real guns, not toys or vaping devices. When we read news stories about these cowardly killings of innocents by police, the victims’ race is Black, Black, Black, Black, Black, Black, Black, Black, Black, Black. That might be the result of what the news is reporting on. [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9271 "2016-09-30T17:35:09Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > When the ‘good’ cops lie for the bad cops, the lie becomes the official record. Then it will not figure in to your stats about bad shootings. > > Remember, we only get these stories because there was video captured by 3rd parties. I feel that the punishment for “good” cops lying should be conspiracy after the fact to murder. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9272 "2016-09-30T17:42:03Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Pretty much my answer. The number is too high, there are far too many questionable cases or outright clearly wrong shootings. OK so how many do you think there are? > [@](#): > > guys who say ‘do as you’re told and you won’t get hurt’. I don’t think that. Its obviously not true. That social worker was doing everything right and they STILL shot him. > [@](#): > > For me this is a societal issue and as I said earlier, I’m not sure precisely when we ceded this much power to the police, but it has gone too far and we need to dial it back. Do you think the police are more or less abusive today than 50 years ago? 30 years ago? > [@](#): > > But you know, that’s a crazy idea, right? :dubious: I am firmly in the camp that our current standards are fine. We need more body cameras and dash cams etc. Noone wants to live under a microscope but this I am perfectly willing to impose on cops that much at least. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9273 "2016-09-30T17:46:19Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Is that an absolute statement? You think that there is never an excuse for rioting? Ever? Under any circumstances? :dubious: No its not absolute. But in a functioning democracy, its pretty damn close. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9274 "2016-09-30T17:51:06Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > I don’t believe I’ve heard of [this excuse](http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/30/attorney-betty-shelby-had-temporary-loss-of-hearing-during-te/21483830/) before. > > Impressive. Wut? Regardless of the results of this trial, she should not be on the force anymore if she can get “stress deafness” (I think I get that sometimes when I am watching a close game and my wife is yelling directly into my ear). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9275 "2016-09-30T17:52:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If that slave hadn’t tried to run away, he wouldn’t have been whipped so bad that he died from infection. If only he had complied with his master’s wishes, he’d still be alive today. Wow, now all you need is a reference to Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9276 "2016-09-30T17:55:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Where in the story does it indicate that he was shot because he did not comply? I saw nothing to indicate that the police ordered him to drive with expired tags, refuse to pull over, refuse to get out of the car, flee the arrest, or resist arrest when they caught up to him. The Video will not be released… > [@](#): > > …at the family’s request… > > FTFY. > > Regards, > Shodan That changes things a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9277 "2016-09-30T17:57:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I feel that the punishment for “good” cops lying should be conspiracy after the fact to murder. Yes, but let’s be real. It is _very_ rare for a cop to even be charged for a shooting, and it ONLY happens when there is video of it. And even then, it’s rare to get a guilty verdict. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9278 "2016-09-30T18:01:44Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The Video will not be released… > > That changes things a little bit. I wish it did. God Almighty appears on clouds from heaven before a meeting of conspiracy theorists. He says that the government had nothing to do with 911, Oswald acted alone, and they should all go home. One theorist in the crowd turns to his friend. “Wow - the conspiracy goes deeper than we thought!” Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9279 "2016-09-30T19:12:51Z")
> [@](#): > > If I am engaging in a sit in at the Wisconsin state capital building eating free pizza being sent to me by people all over the country (wtf? nobody can send some sodapop?) and refuse to budge, then cops can’t shoot me for non-compliance. Unless you go to UC Davis, in which case you get pepper sprayed with industrial strength pepper spray. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9280 "2016-09-30T19:17:30Z")
[Florida cop accused of sending ‘sorry I tased you’ cake to woman he shot with Taser](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/apologize-tased-cake-article-1.2812263) > [@](#): > > A Florida cop allegedly sent a picture of a “sorry I tased you” cake to a woman who had accused him of excessive force. > > Stephanie Byron of Pensacola filed a federal lawsuit earlier this year claiming that Escambia County Officer Michael Wohler made the baked good after using a stun gun on her at the apartment complex where she works. > > The photo of the cake widely circulated on Thursday was in fact uploaded to [imgur.com](http://imgur.com) in February 2014 — over a year before the alleged incident Stephanie Byron filed suit for in June 2015. Jesus, what an absolute bastard! WTF, it’s outrageous that he should express remorse, albeit in the rather cheeky form of a humorous cake. Come on, is this really so bad that she needs to sue the guy (again)? If I were tased by a cop and got this cake afterwards I’d smile, especially if the tasing were owing to my own behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9281 "2016-09-30T19:21:59Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Florida cop accused of sending ‘sorry I tased you’ cake to woman he shot with Taser](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/apologize-tased-cake-article-1.2812263) > > Jesus, what an absolute bastard! WTF, it’s outrageous that he should express remorse, albeit in the rather cheeky form of a humorous cake. You see that as an expression of remorse? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=463) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=465)