# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 485
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9682 "2016-10-11T22:48:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I once did a search of your posts just to see how you behave in other threads around the board Liar. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > and literally one of every three posts you made (on average) contained some sort of insult or denigrating remark, usually aimed at someone most posters would feel had done absolutely nothing to deserve it. Liar. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You, yourself, have proudly admitted to me that yeah, you’re an asshole and you own it. This is a perfect illustration of what passes for analysis on your part. You’ve brought up this alleged admission on my part, that i’m an asshole, multiple times. Here’s what i actually said: > [@It's about time things changed on this MB.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-about-time-things-changed-on-this-mb/487421/16): > > I readily admit that i can be an asshole _ **at times in the Pit** _, and i’m not shy about telling people what i think of them. But even in the Pit, i like to think i’ve made plenty of coherent and well-argued posts that contained no abuse at all. Emphasis mine. To the extent that i’m an asshole, and abusive, it’s usually towards mouthbreathing troglodytes like you, who are either too fucking stupid to understand what rational debate and discussion are, or too fucking hidebound in your backwards thinking to even try having an honest conversation in the first place. As i’ve said to you before, if i seem to lean towards abuse when you encounter me, it’s precisely because you have constantly and determinedly shown yourself unworthy of any attempt at thoughtful and rational discourse. You’re a shit-flinging monkey who brings literally nothing to any conversation you enter, with the possible exception of TV and movie discussions, where your tendency to rely on uninformed opinion is more easily tolerated. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > :smack: What was I thinking!? If your usual contributions on this message board are any indication, you weren’t. Anyway, the **Starving Artist** show has derailed this thread long enough. Get back to jerking off over your cardboard tube and your police batons. I’m done with you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9683 "2016-10-11T23:04:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, sorry, that it’s not their job is such a stupid point that it never occurred to me even you would try to make it. > > Of course it’s not their _job_! This is why they don’t do it as a matter of routine and why their salary and promotions don’t depend on it. In the course of performing their job, however, it may happen that some asshole might inflict or attempt to inflict injury upon them, and when that happens retaliation may occur. As long as the retaliation carried out is proportional I have no problem with it, for the reasons I stated above. And we’re saying this is monstrous. Force should be used by law enforcement to restrain or defend or eliminate a threat, and that’s it. Not for revenge, or retaliation, or for punishment. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9684 "2016-10-11T23:05:26Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So I can accuse you do doing something horrible and get you fired even if I don’t prove it? I don’t think this is true. Dude! Bro! Pump yo brakes on the madness and do some basic research. If you live in [at-will](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment) state, you can fired for just about anything. You can be fired just because your boss had a bad day, let alone for costing him or her millions of dollars and horrible PR. You better believe that if you or I were accused of sodomizing a client with a screwdriver and we were found guilty and our employer had to fork over $4M, we’d be out of job so fast we wouldn’t know what hit us. What fairytale world do you live in where this wouldn’t happen? That you seem to doubt something so basic as this makes me think you need to sit your little ass somewhere and STFU for a good long time. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9685 "2016-10-11T23:33:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And we’re saying this is monstrous. Force should be used by law enforcement to restrain or defend or eliminate a threat, and that’s it. Not for revenge, or retaliation, or for punishment. Wait, it was clear to me that guy up thread needed to be sodomized by that screwdriver. He was just asking for it. Right, SA? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9686 "2016-10-11T23:35:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, sorry, that it’s not their job is such a stupid point that it never occurred to me even you would try to make it. > > Of course it’s not their _job_! This is why they don’t do it as a matter of routine and why their salary and promotions don’t depend on it. In the course of performing their job, however, it may happen that some asshole might inflict or attempt to inflict injury upon them, and when that happens retaliation may occur. As long as the retaliation carried out is proportional I have no problem with it, for the reasons I stated above. Retaliation should \*never \*occur. If you need to defend yourself, that’s not retaliation! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9687 "2016-10-11T23:57:29Z")
If retaliation happens, then that cop should go to prison for assault and abuse of power. Period. Their job is to NOT take their feelings out on the public. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9688 "2016-10-12T05:56:02Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Liar. See? You’re demonstrating your own untruthfulness here because there’s absolutely no way for you to know whether I’ve looked up your posting history and therefore no way for you to know that I’m lying about it. So with regard to this aspect of your post, you are the liar. And demonstrably so. > [@mhendo](#): > > Liar. Similarly, there’s no way for you to know whether I determined your posting history to contain an insult or cutting remark in an average of one in every three posts, and therefore no way for you to know that I’m lying about it. So with regard to this aspect of your post also, you are the liar. And demonstrably so. > [@mhendo](#): > > This is a perfect illustration of what passes for analysis on your part. Analysis? That’s an odd word for you to use to describe my allegations regarding your assholery. It’s always been right there for everyone to see. All I’ve done is point out what’s right there in black and white. No analysis required. You must be getting rattled, as you often do when we lock horns. > [@mhendo](#): > > You’ve brought up this alleged admission on my part, that i’m an asshole, multiple times. Here’s what i actually said: You are correct, you did say that. Unfortunately for you, however, that’s not what you said in the post I was talking about, as we shall soon see… > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **mhendo** > **I do have a snippy, rude side. I’m sure there are a bunch of people who think i’m an asshole. I accept that; hell, i own it.** [bolding mine] [Cite](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9465691&postcount=51) So we can see that my allegations were spot on after all, while yours are the result either of faulty memory or outright lies. And given what I’ve seen of your character elsewhere on this board, combined with the obvious lies you’ve told at the top of this post, I’m going with deliberate duplicitousness myself, especially when your motivations are taken into account which were intended to: a) prove my allegations wrong; b) maintain that you’re not really an asshole despite what I said; and c) to set up an attack on me in which you dishonestly attempt to argue that you’re only rude to the likes of me, for the [mostly bullshit] reasons you describe. Now, let’s take a look at what you said next: > [@](#): > > And the OP of this thread has, by his constant race-baiting and trolling in the Pit, become a trigger for it. Maybe i should be a better person and just ignore him; perhaps i’ll try that in future. God knows, i’ve tried pretending that he actually has genuine arguments to make, but he consistently demonstrates a complete unwillingness to engage in honest debate. If you don’t spend time in the Pit, you can be excused for not knowing this, but you now know why your comment struck me as a case of misdirected priorities. Sound familiar? Sounds almost word for word like the claims you make about me, yes, no? But in this case your boilerplate criticisms weren’t directed at me, but at the OP of the thread in question, **danceswithcats**. So now that we have this critique of **danceswithcats** on the record, let’s take a look at how you wrap things up in this post: > [@](#): > > To the extent that i’m an asshole, and abusive, it’s usually towards mouthbreathing troglodytes like you, who are either too fucking stupid to understand what rational debate and discussion are, or too fucking hidebound in your backwards thinking to even try having an honest conversation in the first place. > > As i’ve said to you before, if i seem to lean towards abuse when you encounter me, it’s precisely because you have constantly and determinedly shown yourself unworthy of any attempt at thoughtful and rational discourse. You’re a shit-flinging monkey who brings literally nothing to any conversation you enter, with the possible exception of TV and movie discussions, where your tendency to rely on uninformed opinion is more easily tolerated. Again, very similar to what you said eight years ago to **danceswithcats**. > [@mhendo](#): > > Anyway, the **Starving Artist** show has derailed this thread long enough. Au contraire! You’re the one who came flying in here unprovoked and began attacking me. I responded, as I usually do, only to show that you and your claims are full of shit. As they usually are. > [@mhendo](#): > > I’m done with you. HA! I’m surprised you still make comments like this, given your history of reneging on them over and over again. You know, like when you got suspended and declared in a huff (elsewhere) that you weren’t going to return as long as **twickster** was a mod, only to return again long before she gave it up. And of course there are the virtually countless number of times you’ve made this same declaration to me, only to come back and engage with me over and over again. You’ve not exactly proven yourself to a man who has much in the way of will power and self-discipline. I look forward to engaging you again the next time you prove yourself too weak to keep your word. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9689 "2016-10-12T13:23:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Here, let me help you out: > > re·tal·i·ate > rəˈtalēˌāt/ > verb > make an attack or assault in return for a similar attack. > “the blow stung and she retaliated immediately” > synonyms: fight back, hit back, respond, react, reply, reciprocate, counterattack, return like for like, get back at someone, give tit for tat, take reprisals, get even, get one’s own back, pay someone back, give someone a taste of their own medicine; More > archaic > repay (an injury or insult) in kind. Let me confirm to make sure I understand you correctly: Are you saying that if someone hurts the police while resisting arrest, by e.g., biting them, that after that person is restrained and no longer fighting back, the police should be allowed to beat them in retaliation? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9690 "2016-10-12T13:49:06Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > {…} the police should be allowed to beat them in retaliation? No, no, _bite_ them . . . it’s not like Starving Artist is a monster, he only plays one for our entertainment! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9691 "2016-10-12T14:23:06Z")
It’s impossible. Their teeth can’t fit through a toilet paper tube! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9692 "2016-10-12T18:44:25Z")
And now, for the benefit of those who for some reason found it worthwhile to dispute whether Terence Crutcher was really high on PCP at the time of his encounter with the police, comes [this AP report on his autopsy](https://www.yahoo.com/news/autopsy-tulsa-police-victim-had-193855629.html), which concludes that he was indeed high on PCP at the time. The report also contains more of the biased and untrue reporting on the issue that has characterized media coverage since the shooting. It continues the lie that Crutcher’s car had ‘broken down’ rather than the truth, which is that he had parked it way over the center line and abandoned it with its engine running and the doors open. And it talks about his having had his hands up prior to the shooting but makes only vague reference to what happened at the time of the shooting, saying merely that footage doesn’t offer a clear view of when Shelby fired. This is both untrue and deliberately inflammatory. Both helicopter footage and dash cam footage show Crutcher lowered his hands and attempted to open the door of the car before he was simultaneously tased and shot. And while it’s true that anecdotes are not proof, a couple of incidents related by readers in the comments section relate instances where they have first-hand knowledge of violent incidents involving people high on PCP which required either multiple police officers or co-workers to subdue the subject and bring him under control. I’ll post two such accounts below: > [@](#): > > In 1996 there was a man that I knew who was killed by his own son who stabbed his father 12 times with a butcher knife . The son had been smoking marijuana laced with pcp and the father was attempting to deal with his son while the police were on the way to the scene . > The police later said the son acted like a wild animal and it took four officers to get the knife away from him and get the cuffs on him . The son was 15 years old and weighed 145 pounds . > The next day , the son had absolutely no recollection of events . > [@](#): > > I was a bartender in the 1970s. It was after last call and we were closing up. A guy came in and he wanted a drink. We were a suburban steakhouse-lounge. No customers left, two bartenders cleaning up, three busboys drinking beers and playing cards in the kitchen, a cocktail girl and the hostess, who was waiting for the waitress to turn in her drawer so she could catch a ride home. The hostess told him we were closed, but he wouldn’t leave, and started trying to make conversation with her, chat her up. The waitress called the kitchen and got the busboys out. The other bartender came out around the bar and tried to put his hands on the guy to guide him out the door. I picked up the Galliano bottle and moved closer. The busboys came out of kitchen just as the fight started. I broke the bottle over his head, and nothing. No effect. It took five grown men in their 20s to get him out into the parking lot and down on the ground. The girls phoned the police and we sat on the guy, like a bus bench, until the cops came. That’s my “guy on PCP story”. So it appears Officer Shelby was indeed correct in making the assessment Crutcher was high on PCP, an assessment her training would qualify her to make, and to regard him as potentially a highly dangerous individual, which would create the hyper-focus on her part that’s already been spoken of and explain her determination not to let him gain access to the vehicle. Again, it’s truly a shame that this man died. But he was high on PCP, refusing to follow police orders, and shot while inadvertently undertaking an action that the police are trained to regard as a mortal threat, and after having watched the police training videos I posted upthread I’d have to concur with that assessment. As I said before, sometimes shit happens, and this is one of those times. Crutcher was a relatively innocent victim, unknowingly complicit in his own shooting, and Officer Shelby was following her training and fired only at the point when Crutcher’s actions made him a credible and potentially deadly threat. Too bad all around, really. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9693 "2016-10-12T19:16:37Z")
So . . . Officer Shelby might have been better off calling a few busboys, a bartender, and a hostess for backup? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9694 "2016-10-12T19:27:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And now, for the benefit of those who for some reason found it worthwhile to dispute whether Terence Crutcher was really high on PCP at the time of his encounter with the police, Oh my God, you fucking moron. The dispute is whether Shelby knew, _at the time she shot Crutcher_ whether he was on PCP. How many times do you need this explained to you? Are you capable of understanding in the slightest the things that are explained to you? Are you legitimately retarded? > [@](#): > > So it appears Officer Shelby was indeed correct in making the assessment Crutcher was high on PCP Once again, you fucking halfwit, provide a fucking cite that, _at the time that Shelby shot him, before the PCP was found in his car_, that Shelby made the assessment that Crutcher was on PCP! Are you not even trying to understand the distinction? Are you trying but incapable? Do you need someone to explain the distinction to you slowly using small words? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9695 "2016-10-12T19:46:46Z")
Hi, **Evil Economist**! Welcome back to the thread. Since you’re here perhaps you’d be kind enough to furnish the cites **Damuri Asahi** asked for. It’s been several days now. As to when Officer Shelby made the determination that Crutcher was high on PCP, she made that assessment at the time she first encountered him and tried to question him about whether the vehicle parked and left running in the middle of the street was his. It was one of the reasons she called for backup. The information on these facts is available in this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9696 "2016-10-12T19:51:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As to when Officer Shelby made the determination that Crutcher was high on PCP, she made that assessment at the time she first encountered him and tried to question him about whether the vehicle parked and left running in the middle of the street was his. It was one of the reasons she called for backup. The information on these facts is available in this very thread. “This guy is high on PCP!” BAM BAM BAM Summary execution for being on PCP, or cop terrified for her life on encountering someone on the supersoldier drug starts blasting out of fear? Either way, determining that someone is under the influence of something is not a death sentence, nor does it immediately justify deadly force. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9697 "2016-10-12T20:03:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hi, **Evil Economist**! Welcome back to the thread. Since you’re here perhaps you’d be kind enough to furnish the cites **Damuri Asahi** asked for. It’s been several days now. As I’ve previously mentioned, but which you might have missed given your inability to comprehend, the cite of your stupidity is the Paterno thread, as you yourself pointed out. I’ve noticed you’re in this thread also: if you want to explain yourself go right the fuck ahead. > [@](#): > > As to when Officer Shelby made the determination that Crutcher was high on PCP, she made that assessment at the time she first encountered him This is exactly the thing you need to cite, you simpleton. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9698 "2016-10-12T20:08:49Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > “This guy is high on PCP!” BAM BAM BAM > > Summary execution for being on PCP, or cop terrified for her life on encountering someone on the supersoldier drug starts blasting out of fear? > > Either way, determining that someone is under the influence of something is not a death sentence, nor does it immediately justify deadly force. And here I’m the one who gets called a moron! :smack: For the seventh or eighth time… - Crutcher was not summarily executed. - He was not shot for being on PCP. - There was no death sentence. - Deadly force was not employed simply because he was under the influence of something. One of the most amusing posts in this entire thread was the one where you whinged about me posting things without evidence. In this case there’s not only evidence that you’re wrong but irrefutable proof, and yet you blather on, repeating the same nonsense over and over again as if you’re in your own little world and the facts somehow never penetrate the force field you’ve erected to protect you from reality. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9699 "2016-10-12T20:27:22Z")
> [@](#): > > {…} it took four officers to get the knife away from him and get the cuffs on him. {…}. I don’t think this story really makes the point you want it to . . . maybe it’s just me. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9700 "2016-10-12T20:34:42Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > As I’ve previously mentioned, but which you might have missed given your inability to comprehend, the cite of your stupidity is the Paterno thread, as you yourself pointed out. Oh, I saw your mention of it. And I immediately saw it for what it was: a weak and obvious attempt to weasel out of providing the cites **Damuri Asahi** asked for and which you couldn’t provide if your life depended on it. He didn’t ask which thread your claims are alleged to have occurred in, and he didn’t ask ‘what I really thought’. (And is this not tacit admission you lied in and of itself? Why would you try to goad me into telling him what I really thought if you’d been honest in relating it yourself?) What **Amuri Asahi** did ask was for you to furnish proof that I’d made the claims you said I made, and your response was a paragraph of weasel words. (And amusingly so I might add. It’s quite gratifying to see such a bold and bald-faced liar as yourself flame out in such a weak and obvious way.) > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’ve noticed you’re in this thread also: if you want to explain yourself go right the fuck ahead. See? You did it again! You just did it again! 😃 Once more, it isn’t a question of me explaining myself, it’s a question of whether you can back up your claims. You and I both know perfectly well you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9701 "2016-10-12T20:35:58Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I don’t think this story really makes the point you want it to . . . maybe it’s just me. > > CMC fnord! Meh. Different circumstances, different result. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=484) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=486)