# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/961 "2015-03-07T11:34:52Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Prove that they weren’t committing the crime they were fined for. Naah, that ship sailed when the city government was handed over to racists. > [@](#): > > No, jaywalking is a crime. Oh, I’m suuure all those guys were really jaywalking :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > You’ve repeatedly admitted you don’t trust white people Oh, I have? You have a cite for _that_? Since you don’t have one for me admitting my racism outright., despite my being a “proven, admitted racist” > [@](#): > > , and that you think differently of them to others This will come as news to my wife. And my friends, who are mostly white. > [@](#): > > . Everyone who’s read your posts knows that. I’m sure there’ll be a dozen posters to corroborate your view of what “everyone” thinks of my posts, any day now. One or two of them might even not be your racist butt-landlords… > [@](#): > > And I’m not defending racists. I’m defending obvious non-racists Ha ha! **Shodie** and **mags** are so obviously non-racists, suuure. So I must have _imagined_ them carrying **CP** ’s water in every BlacksRDumb GD thread…in addition to all the other racist shit they say. > [@](#): > > you who think that everyone white is out to get you. Naah. Just the ones in white _sheets_. > [@](#): > > We’re not, we mostly don’t give a shit Oh, yeah, your stalking me is you _totally_ “not” giving a shit 😉 > [@](#): > > , and would just like you to stop walking in the fucking road where we’re driving.No matter what your skin colour is.“Walking while black”. What utter bullshit. Tell that to the Ferguson PD. > [@](#): > > Find me the innocent people fined and they’ll get my sympathy, I highly doubt that, given you obvious allegiances. So, that’s a big fucking “I got nothing, kind of like the contents of my scrotum” on _any_ cite for me admitting my supposed racism. So that would, indeed, make you a big lying sack of racist-defending shit, then. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/962 "2015-03-07T12:33:13Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I highly doubt that, given you obvious allegiances. My “allegiances”, such as they are, are to law and order. Not letting people get away with crime for whatever reason. And yes, I imagine the vast majority of them were jaywalking. Cite me the appeals against the fines if you want me to consider that they weren’t. If people are being mistreated, there’s a system for dealing with it - that doesn’t involve protests and lies about innocence. But hey, you continue to believe what you want and wonder why things aren’t changing. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/963 "2015-03-07T13:21:36Z")
The whole thing is almost an exact reproduction of post-Reconstruction Jim Crow south, when the entire legal system was set up to criminalize black life (making it a crime to walk alongside railroad tracks or banning the selling of goods at night and on weekends, for example) and entrap black people—particularly black men—in the system for multiple goals, such as suppressing the ability of black men to participate in public life, to become educated, to engage in entrepreneurship, and to exploit their labor in prisons. And, of course, even then it was so easy to look at this system and say, “Well, they are committing crimes, aren’t they? It must be because they have criminal tendencies.” Never mind that the “criminal acts” are for the most part entirely innocent activities for poor people to engage in, like walking alongside railroad tracks, and that whites were hardly ever charged for such crimes. The society has been constructed to criminalize _being poor_ and laws have been enforced in such a way to ensure that the majority of the black residents stay poor and constantly subjected to the legal system. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/964 "2015-03-07T13:24:01Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If people are being mistreated, there’s a system for dealing with it - that doesn’t involve protests and lies about innocence. You don’t think people should protest injustice? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/965 "2015-03-07T13:25:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > My “allegiances”, such as they are, are to law and order. Not letting people get away with crime for whatever reason. > > And yes, I imagine the vast majority of them were jaywalking. Cite me the appeals against the fines if you want me to consider that they weren’t. If people are being mistreated, there’s a system for dealing with it - that doesn’t involve protests and lies about innocence. > > But hey, you continue to believe what you want and wonder why things aren’t changing. Where did you get “jaywalking” from this? “Manner of walking on the roadway” is clearly not “jaywalking”. How do you propose the Ferguson PD be disciplined if it’s true that they disproportionately fine and issue tickets to black citizens, when they commit no more of a specific crime (or even less, in the case of having contraband after car-searches)? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/966 "2015-03-07T13:30:32Z")
When the entire local system is corrupted and any other system is inaccessible to the poor and uneducated population who has been subject to oppression for decades? You want them to work through the system? You know, back in the 1990s, I had no idea what gangsta rappers were going on about “fuck da police” and all that stuff. Yeah, we saw one video of Rodney King being brutally beaten by cops, but I didn’t understand that it was so so much more than that. This past year has really opened up my eyes at how systematically and thoroughly the police have been used to brutalize black communities across the country. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/967 "2015-03-07T13:38:38Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > My “allegiances”, such as they are, are to law and order. Not letting people get away with crime for whatever reason. > > And yes, I imagine the vast majority of them were jaywalking. Cite me the appeals against the fines if you want me to consider that they weren’t. If people are being mistreated, there’s a system for dealing with it - that doesn’t involve protests and lies about innocence. > > But hey, you continue to believe what you want and wonder why things aren’t changing. Do you believe that, say, 100 years ago in the Southern US, some laws were written against rather mundane activities and enforced chiefly to oppress black people? If so, do you believe that it’s possible that this might still go on today in some places? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/968 "2015-03-07T15:20:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you believe that, say, 100 years ago in the Southern US, some laws were written against rather mundane activities and enforced chiefly to oppress black people? If so, do you believe that it’s possible that this might still go on today in some places? I certainly believe it’s possible such laws still exist. But, unlike 100 years ago, there’s nothing to prevent black people who are victims of injustice voting for change, standing for election at whatever level, appealing unjust convictions, or getting unconstitutional laws removed. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/969 "2015-03-07T15:25:49Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This past year has really opened up my eyes at how systematically and thoroughly the police have been used to brutalize black communities across the country. My sentiments exactly. And threads at SDMB, including this one, opens one eyes to how much racism there still is, with many of the racists unable to perceive that they’re racist. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/970 "2015-03-07T15:44:48Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > My “allegiances”, such as they are, are to law and order. Jawohl, Herr Zauberer! > [@](#): > > Cite me the appeals against the fines if you want me to consider that they weren’t. If people are being mistreated, there’s a system for dealing with it - that doesn’t involve protests and lies about innocence. Did you read any fucking articles about [what happened when people disputed fines](http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/06/us/ferguson-missouri-racism-tickets-fines/)? All that got you was…additional fines. Never mind if you missed court because of a fucking appendectomy, they punished you anyway. Just fucking shut up and go away. Crawl up the asshole of the nearest racist and just stop defending the indefensible. Until the next time I complain about Board racists and you rush out to defend your fellow Citizens, that is. I’m sure you run hourly searches on my nick and the word “racist”, you pathetic stalker. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/971 "2015-03-07T16:01:46Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m sure you run hourly searches on my nick and the word “racist”, you pathetic stalker. You’re the one who followed me to another fucking \*board \*to stalk me, you sick fuck. Where you also made an absolute fucking twat of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/972 "2015-03-07T16:10:08Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You’re the one who followed me to another fucking \*board \*to stalk me, you sick fuck. No, I just read a thread and there you were > [@](#): > > Where you also made an absolute fucking twat of yourself. Right, that pitting went soooo poorly _for me_. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/973 "2015-03-07T16:17:19Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I certainly believe it’s possible such laws still exist. But, unlike 100 years ago, there’s nothing to prevent black people who are victims of injustice voting for change, standing for election at whatever level, appealing unjust convictions, or getting unconstitutional laws removed. Then I guess you’re in favor of the protests, then, or at least some of them, because this is _exactly what many of the protests are calling for_. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/974 "2015-03-07T16:17:24Z")
Soooo… **Steophan** , got that cite for me admitting to being a racist, yet? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/975 "2015-03-07T16:28:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You’re the one who followed me to another fucking \*board \*to stalk me, you sick fuck. Where you also made an absolute fucking twat of yourself. I know of two boards on which you’ve demonstrated that you’re a giant racist fuckstain. How many are there in total? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/976 "2015-03-07T16:38:16Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > …We’re not, we mostly don’t give a shit… And therein lies the problem. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/977 "2015-03-07T16:57:51Z")
The Drug War is a continuation of Jim Crow by other means. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/978 "2015-03-07T17:43:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Jawohl, Herr Zauberer! > > Did you read any fucking articles about [what happened when people disputed fines](http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/06/us/ferguson-missouri-racism-tickets-fines/)? All that got you was…additional fines. Never mind if you missed court because of a fucking appendectomy, they punished you anyway. Locking courthouse doors and then declaring everyone standing outside as failing to appear … Fines for _speaking_ in court. This is all Bull Connor, Leander Perez stuff. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/979 "2015-03-07T17:43:28Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > The Drug War is a continuation of Jim Crow by other means. Mm-hmm, although now poor white people are getting caught up through meth. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/980 "2015-03-07T18:04:55Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > The Drug War is a continuation of Jim Crow by other means. So only black people use drugs, you’re saying? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=50)