# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 491
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9802 "2016-10-19T03:11:12Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > At least one of those 4 didn’t respond and the rest were either confused and responding to a taser post with an objection to shooting (at least in their minds). One didn’t respond because the post you identified was posted by a different person than the poster you identified. And one post you identified as condemning the tasering actually explicitly condemned the shooting and didn’t mention the tasering at all. 20% is generous. > [@](#): > > Are you seriously claiming that noone here is bashing the police? C’mon son, you know better than this. I’m not claiming that no one is bashing the police, I’m saying that maybe your ability to identify the bashers is below average. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9803 "2016-10-19T03:16:10Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So can every post in this thread. No offense, but maybe if there’s more than one way to read a post, a guy with a 20% comprehension rate shouldn’t jump to conclusions. For example: > [@](#): > > No, it is implying that sometimes riots are excusable. > … > Yes, and you can condemn an action at the same time you excuse it. > … > in and attempt to excuse or minimize the rioting and looting. > … > Yes it tries to relieve the rioters from responsibility > … > And then goes on to excuse it. You have confused \*implying \*with \*inferring \* and \*explaining \*with _excusing_. If explaining behavior is the same as excusing it, then a lot of high school history teachers have a lot of explaining to do about their attitudes toward the Holocaust. And speaking of the Holocaust, sometimes riots \*are \*justifiable. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9804 "2016-10-19T12:55:59Z")
[Today’s item comes from the Philippines: > [@](#): > > A Philippine police van rammed into protesters, leaving several bloodied, as an anti-U.S. rally turned violent Wednesday at the American Embassy in Manila. > > At least three student activists were taken to a hospital after they were run over by the van driven by a police officer, protest leader Renato Reyes said. > > Associated Press TV footage showed the van repeatedly ramming the protesters as it drove wildly back and forth after activists surrounded and started hitting the vehicle with wooden batons they seized from police. > > In front of horrified crowds, including videojournalists and photographers, the van suddenly charged backward then sprinted forward twice over a space of about 20 meters (60 feet), barreling through the scattered protesters and hurtling some to the side like bowling pins. A few were run over but somehow managed to stand. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS\_PHILIPPINES\_US\_VIOLENT\_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-19-08-40-42](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_PHILIPPINES_US_VIOLENT_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-19-08-40-42))[Associated Press video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5GrtsLZ-ts) (WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9805 "2016-10-19T13:32:03Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > One didn’t respond because the post you identified was posted by a different person than the poster you identified. And one post you identified as condemning the tasering actually explicitly condemned the shooting and didn’t mention the tasering at all. 20% is generous. > > I’m not claiming that no one is bashing the police, I’m saying that maybe your ability to identify the bashers is below average. Perhaps so. Or perhaps you are being overly generous with those who are “just asking questions” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9806 "2016-10-19T15:28:44Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Today’s item comes from the Philippines:](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_PHILIPPINES_US_VIOLENT_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-19-08-40-42)[Associated Press video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5GrtsLZ-ts) (WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!) I blame Hillary. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9807 "2016-10-19T15:39:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I blame Hillary. > > Regards, > Shodan She hasn’t been sworn in yet, so please stick to blaming Obama for the time being. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9808 "2016-10-19T17:07:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > She hasn’t been sworn in yet, so please stick to blaming Obama for the time being. No, no - credit where it is due. Obama is responsible for the anti-US feeling that led to the riots, Trump is responsible because he won’t let the rioters immigrate to the US, BLM is responsible because they aren’t protesting in the Philippines, the Tea Party is responsible because of their rhetoric, and Hillary is responsible because - er, uhm - Bengazi! _That’s_ why! Answer that one, smart guy! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9809 "2016-10-19T17:19:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, no - credit where it is due. > > Obama is responsible for the anti-US feeling that led to the riots, Trump is responsible because he won’t let the rioters immigrate to the US, BLM is responsible because they aren’t protesting in the Philippines, the Tea Party is responsible because of their rhetoric, and Hillary is responsible because - er, uhm - > > Bengazi! _That’s_ why! > > Answer that one, smart guy! > > Regards, > Shodan No U. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9810 "2016-10-19T17:26:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, no - credit where it is due. > > Obama is responsible for the anti-US feeling that led to the riots, Trump is responsible because he won’t let the rioters immigrate to the US, BLM is responsible because they aren’t protesting in the Philippines, the Tea Party is responsible because of their rhetoric, and Hillary is responsible because - er, uhm - > > Bengazi! _That’s_ why! > > Answer that one, smart guy! > > Regards, > Shodan It is entirely possible that they learned it from watching our police force use their cars as weapons, our media has a fairly wide swath With as many people defending cops who try to run people over as there are, they probably figured it would be fine, maybe even glorified. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9811 "2016-10-19T17:36:16Z")
Nah - they just hacked into the server and read it from her emails. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9812 "2016-10-19T17:49:04Z")
Let’s get going on Deborah Danner. Why can’t police use devices like [this gun that shoots a net](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGp2okWpyJg)? (0:30 or so) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9813 "2016-10-19T17:53:06Z")
[Mississippi woman jailed for 96 days for a crime that did not even happen.](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jailed-96-days-on-bogus-charge-it-is-no-ones-fault/ar-AAj81qa) Think it couldn’t happen to you? Woman arrested after traffic violation, held for 96 days without getting a lawyer, seeing a Judge or getting a bail hearing. > [@](#): > > She was charged with a felony based on a secretly recorded video that prosecutors finally acknowledged showed her committing no crime. > [@](#): > > Pulled over for traffic offenses on April 26, 2012, Jauch was held thereafter because **prosecutors relied on the word of an informant** who said Jauch sold her eight Xanax pills for $40 in February 2011, according to court papers. > > In fact, a Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics video showed Jauch asking to borrow the $40. But Jauch’s lawyer in her federal suit, Victor Fleitas, said no one knew that **because investigators and prosecutors apparently never watched the video before persuading the grand jury to charge her with selling a controlled substance**. And she wasn’t arraigned until the next court term in Choctaw County, three months later. > > Jauch posted $15,000 bail and was released Aug. 6 after she finally got a lawyer. Once the assistant district attorney watched the video, he immediately agreed to drop the charges, Public Defender Hays Burchfield wrote. > > Two local assistant district attorneys did not respond to requests for comment. District Attorney Doug Evans did not return calls and e-mails. Fleitas also declined comment, and Jauch didn’t respond to multiple requests for an interview. Bolding mine. The didn’t look at the evidence before charging her. They did not look at the evidence before charging her. THEY DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT THE FUCKING EVIDENCE BEFORE DEPRIVING HER OF HER FREEDOM. To me, this is horrifying. The local district attorney’s should be disbarred, charged and jailed. They should do at least as many days as Jauch did. At least, _they_ would get to talk to their lawyers. > [@](#): > > U.S. District Judge Sharion Aycock, however, ruled that people in Jauch’s situation aren’t required to get a court hearing within 48 hours, and that her right to a lawyer was satisfied by the appearance of a public defender at her arraignment, **96 days after her arrest.** Bullshit. Utter bullshit. Think about for a minute. What would being locked up on a bullshit charge do to you? Forget for a moment the dangerous aspect of jail itself. You are imprisoned for 96 days. You cannot see your friends and family. You cannot work. How are you gonna provide for your family? Pay bills? Make car payments? Make house payments or rent? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9814 "2016-10-19T18:14:26Z")
Is [this](http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FDCO%2020161003D35/JAUCH%20v.%20CHOCTAW%20COUNTY)the same Jessica Jauch? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9815 "2016-10-19T18:21:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Is [this](http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FDCO%2020161003D35/JAUCH%20v.%20CHOCTAW%20COUNTY)the same Jessica Jauch? > > Regards, > Shodan Oh my god, that’s disgusting. Apparently everything they did to her was legal, including holding her for 96 days without actually looking at the evidence, because they got a grand jury to indict. I think this is a clear case of “the law is an ass.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9816 "2016-10-19T18:24:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Is [this](http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FDCO%2020161003D35/JAUCH%20v.%20CHOCTAW%20COUNTY)the same Jessica Jauch? > > Regards, > Shodan Looks like the same case. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9817 "2016-10-19T18:25:31Z")
Something’s wrong with the law if holding someone for 96 days without evidence and representation is legal and doesn’t result in a big ol’ settlement. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9818 "2016-10-19T18:27:32Z")
Now that Shodan mentions it, I DO remember the happy pre-Obama days when then entire Middle East was in a love fest with Bush II! Oh, I will never forget that tender kiss between Begin and Qadaffi. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9819 "2016-10-19T19:31:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Something’s wrong with the law if holding someone for 96 days without evidence and representation is legal and doesn’t result in a big ol’ settlement. No, that just shows that everything’s working fine and dandy, thankyouverymuch. The underlying principle of the law, and the principle that seems to animate a considerable number of Americans, seems to be that police and prosecutors should be protected from even the dumbest or the most disgusting decisions that they could possibly make, even if no reasonable person would argue that their actions were acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9820 "2016-10-19T19:36:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It is entirely possible that they learned it from watching our police force use their cars as weapons, our media has a fairly wide swath With as many people defending cops who try to run people over as there are, they probably figured it would be fine, maybe even glorified. The Philippines are going through some weird shit right now. Their president is turning his back on the US and pivoting to China. Their President is actively encouraging vigilantiism and telling the cops to kill people who resist arrest and his approval ratings are going through the roof as a result. They’ve had like 3000 killings (either vigilatnes killing alleged drug dealers or cops killing drug dealers/drug users who allegedly resist arrest) and his popularity seems to go up with every killing. Something like 600,000 Filipinos have surrendered themselves to the police to avoid getting killed. Its some weird shit. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9821 "2016-10-19T19:37:55Z")
> [@Hooleehootoo](#): > > Let’s get going on Deborah Danner. > > Why can’t police use devices like [this gun that shoots a net](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGp2okWpyJg)? (0:30 or so) I don’t know that would work as well if the elk had opposable thumbs. But I agree, we need more and better non-lethal alternatives for the police. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=490) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=492)