# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 498
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9942 "2016-10-28T03:29:15Z")
You do remember, don’t you, that you haven’t given us anything to support your assertion of riot and looting. With all due awe, that soup is kinda thin. And this: > [@](#): > > Are you saying that the violent protesters are not protesters? Well, shoot, then the cops that unlawfully kill blacks are not really cops. We can all go home now. What is this even about? In what way do you imagine this is a response? Followed by this cloudy gem of obfuscation: > [@](#): > > What were you protesting that you thought you would get caught up in a riot? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9943 "2016-10-28T03:40:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Can you point to another movement that has a positive numerator? Where marches turn into riots so frequently? Not a sports fan, huh? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9944 "2016-10-28T03:46:06Z")
Shit, no kidding! I was here in Minneapolis the night the Twins won the Series, and it was vandals and mayhem! I heard car horns honking at _one o’clock in the morning_! These people are savages, I’m telling you! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9945 "2016-10-28T11:03:26Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/boys-family-sues-town-over-his-fatal-shooting-by-deputies/ar-AAjtKJf?li=BBnb7Kz) > > Long story short. Two cops moonlighting as City marshals try to stop Christopher Few for traffic violation. Few takes off, cops chase. When they catch him, the officers get out of the car and open fire. > > Few is critically injured. His 6 yr old autistic son is also shot, fatally. > > Cops claim that Few has threatened them with his car, so shooting was justified. The video shows this to untrue. Few’s car was not in threatening position and his hands were raised, according to video. Neither officer tried to help the boy, who bled to death in the seat. > > Both officers are on trial for murder. > > They fired 18 times into a car. 18 goddamned times. I understand that the police are cowardly and trained to empty their magazines into the suspects if there’s a 0.01% chance they’ll be attacked and sprain a hangnail or something. But in this incident as in so many others, the cops go on to demonstrate their utter contempt for human life: > [@](#): > > The suit also says the officers involved in the shooting did nothing to stop the boy’s bleeding or alleviate his suffering, even after one of them found a pulse on the child. > > “Sadly, Jeremy was left to suffer – and die – while the officers casually searched for gloves,” the suit adds. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9946 "2016-10-29T15:46:21Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Not a sports fan, huh? You realize those aren’t protests, right? Thanks for playing though. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9947 "2016-10-29T15:48:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You do remember, don’t you, that you haven’t given us anything to support your assertion of riot and looting. With all due awe, that soup is kinda thin. Wait, are you saying that BLM marches don’t devolve into protests? Ever?!?!? Or are you asking if there is any proof that they are worse than anyone else :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > And this: What is this even about? In what way do you imagine this is a response? > > Followed by this cloudy gem of obfuscation: > > Huh? No, I’m just asking where you encountered the tear gas? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9948 "2016-10-29T16:01:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wait, are you saying that BLM marches don’t devolve into protests? Ever???.. “Wait, are you saying that Shirley Temple was Hitler?” That particular rhetorical trick is abysmally lame. > [@](#): > > …Or are you asking if there is any proof that they are worse than anyone else… C’mon, who are you kidding with this? You want to imply that you _have_ such proof? Betting over here is that you don’t. > [@](#): > > …No, I’m just asking where you encountered the tear gas? Berkeley '68 was the first, there were others. You may never actually know, I’ve gone to considerable lengths to confuse my future biographers. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9949 "2016-10-29T16:14:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Berkeley '68 was the first, there were others. You may never actually know, I’ve gone to considerable lengths to confuse my future biographers. :eek: Do we know each other? Ever hang out in the Bear’s Lair? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9950 "2016-10-29T16:33:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > :eek: Do we know each other? Ever hang out in the Bear’s Lair? Was that a bar? Underage, and scorned alcohol. Sold Berkeley Barb on Telegraph, first exposure to personals coding “BiWF, LSMFT with AC/DC/DUI…” Didn’t understand a word of it. If I had a dollar for every asshole who tried to get me to sell them something… Ah, '68. Things could have been really cool if they weren’t so fucking awful. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9951 "2016-10-29T19:59:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wait, are you saying that BLM marches don’t devolve into protests? Ever?!?!? Sometimes BLM holds marches. Sometimes the marches become protests. Sometimes certain individuals at those protests get violent. Therefore all BLM is bad. You do comprehend the stupidity of this argument, right? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9952 "2016-10-29T21:24:09Z")
Don’t be so mean! If he had a better argument, he would use it! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9953 "2016-10-30T12:07:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Pretty much any ratio with ZERO in the numerator is going to be zero. That how math works. > > BLM has a positive number in the numerator with multiple incidents of rioting and looting. > > Can you point to another movement that has a positive numerator? Where marches turn into riots so frequently? How about the [Civil Rights movement of the 60s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_riots#1960s)? Numerous marches and protests were marred by rioting/violence in various instances. Somehow it didn’t greatly harm the movement. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9954 "2016-10-30T12:19:25Z")
Seriously? That question reveals a very deep ignorance of history. For example, the labor movement for decades was a literal street war between workers and private armies. The little armories at the heart of many small towns were built to aid suppression of organized labor. That five-day, 40-hour work week was secured in part through protests that routinely became violent. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9955 "2016-10-30T12:51:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Pretty much any ratio with ZERO in the numerator is going to be zero. That how math works. > > BLM has a positive number in the numerator with multiple incidents of rioting and looting. > > Can you point to another movement that has a positive numerator? Where marches turn into riots so frequently? College sports? Seems like every time I turn around some college is rioting and looting because they either did, or did not win the big game. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9956 "2016-10-30T13:01:23Z")
I can’t believe that there are people today subscribing to the idea that violence borne of desperation or violence adjacent to legitimate protest somehow supports the conclusion that there are no legitimate grievances involved and that the legitimate response is further suppression. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9957 "2016-10-30T14:39:44Z")
Several months ago, there was a BLM protest in the small town where I live. A police officer I know, in a different small town about an hour from here, posted pictures of the wanton property destruction that resulted. Problem is, the property destruction didn’t happen. The pics she posted were from SC, from the aftermath of the Dylann Roof shooting. Police who were actually present said there was no destruction or violence- the worst thing was a few minutes when traffic snarled a bit, but that got handled calmly. when this was pointed out, she got very huffy and said she didn’t care where or when those pictures were taken, peaceful protesters need to get the violent ones under control. No mention on her part if the good cops had the same obligation to get bad cops under control. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9958 "2016-10-30T17:39:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Wait, are you saying that Shirley Temple was Hitler?” That particular rhetorical trick is abysmally lame. Yes, because my accusing BLM marches of devolving into violent riots and looting is EXACTLY like accusing Shirley Temple of being Hitler. :smack: > [@](#): > > C’mon, who are you kidding with this? You want to imply that you _have_ such proof? Betting over here is that you don’t. Yes. Yes I do. I have proof that most other movements have ZERO rioting and looting to their name while BLM has a number higher than zero. Once again, you have been foiled by math. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9959 "2016-10-30T17:41:53Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Sometimes BLM holds marches. Sometimes the marches become protests. Sometimes certain individuals at those protests get violent. Therefore all BLM is bad. Or perhaps you could go with “therefore BLM marches sometimes turn into rioting and looting when almost no other current movements do” > [@](#): > > You do comprehend the stupidity of this argument, right? Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9960 "2016-10-30T17:43:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How about the [Civil Rights movement of the 60s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_riots#1960s)? Numerous marches and protests were marred by rioting/violence in various instances. Somehow it didn’t greatly harm the movement. And you think those race riots helped in some way? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/9961 "2016-10-30T17:46:07Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I can’t believe that there are people today subscribing to the idea that violence borne of desperation or violence adjacent to legitimate protest somehow supports the conclusion that there are no legitimate grievances involved and that the legitimate response is further suppression. Please cite where I say there isn’t a legitimate grievance. Please cite where I say that the legitimate response is further suppression? Barring that please enjoy this large plate of STFU. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=497) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=499)