# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 504
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10062 "2016-11-15T23:45:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > No hypocrisy here. Liberals as a whole are not engaging in anti-trump protests. Most liberals are in the streets rioting right now, and the extreme violence of the anti-trump protests (100% of the protests in the news that I’ve seen have resulted in violence), which is the highest percentage of violence in the history of protests, is proof that liberalism is a a violent movement. > [@](#): > > I don’t support the anti-trump protests and I am by most accounts a liberal. Your exception doesn’t prove the rule. The extreme violence that I’ve seen is all the proof I need that liberalism is a dangerously violent philosophy that needs to be stopped. > [@](#): > > Did anyone incite violence at these anti-Trump protests? Was there violent language being used? Or did the violence actually develop organically without any prodding or encouragement from the organizers of the protest? Didn’t matter to you before, so doesn’t matter now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10063 "2016-11-16T03:00:16Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Most liberals are in the streets rioting right now They are??? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10064 "2016-11-16T03:06:18Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > and the extreme violence of the anti-trump protests (100% of the protests in the news that I’ve seen have resulted in violence), which is the highest percentage of violence in the history of protests, is proof that liberalism is a a violent movement. Well 100% of the news that _I’ve_ seen about conservatives says that they’re all goat-felching krokodil junkies, so that must be proof that all conservatives are a bunch of drug addicted zoophile, right? > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Your exception doesn’t prove the rule. The extreme violence that I’ve seen is all the proof I need that liberalism is a dangerously violent philosophy that needs to be stopped. Wow, I guess I must be justified in thinking that every single last conservative is a goat-felching zoophile. Are you just a parody of a conservative poster, or are you a drug addicted zoophile? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10065 "2016-11-16T03:51:04Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Most liberals are in the streets rioting right now, and the extreme violence of the anti-trump protests (100% of the protests in the news that I’ve seen have resulted in violence), which is the highest percentage of violence in the history of protests, is proof that liberalism is a a violent movement. > > Your exception doesn’t prove the rule. The extreme violence that I’ve seen is all the proof I need that liberalism is a dangerously violent philosophy that needs to be stopped. > > Didn’t matter to you before, so doesn’t matter now. What should we do? Lock them in camps? How should we stop them? Wait, on edit, I know! Let’s deport them; they aren’t Americans anyway, right EE? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10066 "2016-11-16T03:57:52Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > What should we do? Lock them in camps? I like the way you think. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10067 "2016-11-16T05:39:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > What should we do? Lock them in camps? How should we stop them? > > Wait, on edit, I know! Let’s deport them; they aren’t Americans anyway, right EE? (Consults my fellow native co-workers) We think they bought Manhattan fair and square. Let them live there. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10068 "2016-11-16T14:02:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Are you just a parody of a conservative poster, or are you a drug addicted zoophile? The former, I think. Or rather, a parody of a Damuri Ajashi poster. He is applying the same brush to liberals that DA applies to the BLM. As I think EE is on the liberal side himself, I think that it’s a fair parody. I could be wrong, and if so, look out goats! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10069 "2016-11-16T14:58:46Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Most liberals are in the streets rioting right now, cite? > [@](#): > > and the extreme violence of the anti-trump protests (100% of the protests in the news that I’ve seen have resulted in violence), which is the highest percentage of violence in the history of protests, is proof that liberalism is a a violent movement. No, its proof that the anti-trump movement is a violent movement. > [@](#): > > Your exception doesn’t prove the rule. The extreme violence that I’ve seen is all the proof I need that liberalism is a dangerously violent philosophy that needs to be stopped. Liberalism predates anti-Trump riots by centuries. Liberalism is not a movement. Some of BLM’s very first protests and some of BLM’s most recent protests have been violent. BLM is a violent movement. Anti-Trump protests have been violent. The current Anti-Trump movement is a violent movement. > [@](#): > > Didn’t matter to you before, so doesn’t matter now. Wait, are you saying that I never pointed to the inciteful things being said during the BLM demonstrations as evidence that BLM was a violent movement? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10070 "2016-11-16T15:08:56Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The former, I think. Or rather, a parody of a Damuri Ajashi poster. Yes he is clearly trying to excuse the violence of the BLM movement by saying that the anti-trump riots are evidence of the violence of liberalism generally. There is no generalizing necessary to label BLM violent. It is BLM demonstrations that devolve into riots and looting. > [@](#): > > He is applying the same brush to liberals that DA applies to the BLM. But its not liberals that are rioting. If I was applying the same broad brush then I would look at BLM riots and blame all of liberalism but I don’t. BLM is a discrete movement built on violent and anarchy. > [@](#): > > As I think EE is on the liberal side himself, I think that it’s a fair parody. How is it a fair parody? You can analogize BLM riots to anti-trump riots but if you expand the generalization to the level of political philosophy, then you wouldn’t need the anti-trump riots to call liberalism a violent philosophy, you could just look at BLM and say that liberalism is a violent philosophy. > [@](#): > > I could be wrong, and if so, look out goats! I don’t think you’re wrong about the parody but you’re wrong about the fairness of the parody. the assumed analogy doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10071 "2016-11-16T15:10:33Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I like the way you think. In what way do I ever imply that we should lock up all BLM protesters? If you are only referring to the actually violet anti-trump protesters, then i agree we should lock them up. Just like we should lock up violent BLM protesters. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10072 "2016-11-16T17:01:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The former, I think. …I could be wrong, and if so, look out goats! Little of column A, and, just between us, maybe a little column B. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10073 "2016-11-16T19:31:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes he is clearly trying to excuse the violence of the BLM movement by saying that the anti-trump riots are evidence of the violence of liberalism generally. There is no generalizing necessary to label BLM violent. It is BLM demonstrations that devolve into riots and looting. Exactly! And there’s no generalizing necessary to label liberals violent. It is liberal demonstrations that devolve into riots and looting. Glad we’re on the same page. I think we agreed on camps for those nasty liberals, right? > [@](#): > > But its not liberals that are rioting. Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10074 "2016-11-16T22:29:56Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Exactly! And there’s no generalizing necessary to label liberals violent. It is liberal demonstrations that devolve into riots and looting. Glad we’re on the same page. I think we agreed on camps for those nasty liberals, right? > > Yes it is. No its not. By your rationale, BLM riots can be generalized to liberals rioting. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10075 "2016-11-16T22:31:00Z")
…and back on topic. Officer Yanez will be charged with manslaughter. > [@](#): > > Ramsey County Attorney John Choi, whose office will prosecute the case, said Yanez shot Castile seven times “in rapid succession” and that the evidence shows Castile was calm and complied with the officer’s requests after he was pulled over. > > Prosecutors believe Castile never tried to pull his handgun from his pocket, Choi said, adding that as Castile was dying, he moaned and uttered his final words: “I wasn’t reaching for it.” > > … > > “No reasonable officer, knowing, seeing and hearing what officer Yanez did at the time, would’ve used deadly force under these circumstances,” Choi said. If convicted of second-degree manslaughter, Yanez could face a maximum prison sentence of 10 years. [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-prosecutors-provide-update-castile-case-43576549](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-prosecutors-provide-update-castile-case-43576549) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10076 "2016-11-16T23:12:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > By your rationale, BLM riots can be generalized to liberals rioting. More evidence! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10077 "2016-11-17T14:58:26Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …and back on topic. Officer Yanez will be charged with manslaughter. > > [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-prosecutors-provide-update-castile-case-43576549](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-prosecutors-provide-update-castile-case-43576549) This guy had no business being a police officer. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10078 "2016-11-17T19:01:52Z")
> **[A ‘Good Samaritan’ saw a deputy being attacked by a Florida man so he fatally...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/16/a-good-samaritan-saw-a-deputy-being-attacked-by-florida-man-so-he-fatally-shot-him/)** > > When the attacker refused to stop beating the deputy, the passerby shot him three times, killing him, This guy was unarmed. Took down a deputy who was known for de-escalating. A passer-by had to shoot the assailant. Assailant’s family objects to the shooting of their unarmed relative. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10079 "2016-11-17T21:39:41Z")
[NYPD arrests a Rutgers professor and forces him to go to psych evaluation because of his political statements](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/17/1600853/-Rutgers-Univ-Prof-taken-in-for-psych-evaluation-by-NYPD-because-of-political-tweets?detail=facebook) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10080 "2016-11-17T22:02:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/16/a-good-samaritan-saw-a-deputy-being-attacked-by-florida-man-so-he-fatally-shot-him/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/16/a-good-samaritan-saw-a-deputy-being-attacked-by-florida-man-so-he-fatally-shot-him/) > > This guy was unarmed. Took down a deputy who was known for de-escalating. A passer-by had to shoot the assailant. Assailant’s family objects to the shooting of their unarmed relative. First, why did you use the word “family” to describe one person? Second, what part of this do you think is controversial? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10081 "2016-11-18T10:20:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [NYPD arrests a Rutgers professor and forces him to go to psych evaluation because of his political statements](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/17/1600853/-Rutgers-Univ-Prof-taken-in-for-psych-evaluation-by-NYPD-because-of-political-tweets?detail=facebook) > [@](#): > > Allred, who is white, had said in a Nov. 10 tweet: “Will the 2nd amendment be as cool when I buy a gun and start shooting at random white people or no…?” That’s a little beyond the pale as far as “political statements” go, wouldn’t you agree? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=503) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=505)