# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 507
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10122 "2016-12-08T20:46:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well the cop did have to go back and get the taser fro the ground to plant it on the dead body but I’m not really sure if anyone can confirm that there was a struggle other than the cop. And what that struggle consisted of. If Scott simply slapped the taser out of the cops hand, well that is resisting arrest, sure, but not enough of a struggle to even come close to justifying lethal force. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is a mistake. The American experience with body cameras is that it exonerates far more cops than it condemns. Body Cams are like guns. Sure it can be used against the cop but its a lot better for the cop to have one than not have one. Mounties don’t have exactly the same rep that US cops do at the moment, so it may not be as important. But, having body cams that don’t hold up to the rigors that would be asked of them, whether through durability or battery can be even worse, as if something happens and the body cam happened to not be working at the time, then people will become suspicious, just as I throw a have some reservations whenever I hear that a cop’s body cam was not turned on, or was malfunctioning during the encounter. Yes, they should get body cams, all law enforcement should have them in the end, but if the tech is not up to it yet, they may not actually do any good. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10123 "2016-12-09T02:48:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well the cop did have to go back and get the taser fro the ground to plant it on the dead body but I’m not really sure if anyone can confirm that there was a struggle other than the cop. The video does not show where he got the taser from. As far as we know, he got it out of his car. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10124 "2016-12-09T02:58:11Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > There’s no real reason to believe cases like this are or have ever been rare. What’s rare is a shooting like this being caught on tape pretty clearly and that tape being seen by the public. What’s changed is that we now have ubiquitous, cheap, high-quality video cameras everywhere and widespread internet/social media in place to publish those videos. There will be a simple solution for this. Congers will pass a law making it a 5-to-20 federal crime to share or _allow or facilitate the sharing of_ images, recordings or videos of police activities without express permission of the police. This will put the squeeze on YT, FB, et al, to remove anything that be in violation, preventing these things from going viral. The justification will be that policework is crucial to the security of the country and deserves the same level of classification as military and intel activities. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10125 "2016-12-09T11:52:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Congers will pass a law making it a 5-to-20 federal crime to share or _allow or facilitate the sharing of_ images, recordings or videos of police activities without express permission of the police. This will put the squeeze on YT, FB, et al, to remove anything that be in violation, preventing these things from going viral. The justification will be that policework is crucial to the security of the country and deserves the same level of classification as military and intel activities. How do you propose eels go about passing a law? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10126 "2016-12-09T13:50:16Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > How do you propose eels go about passing a law? Ask the ducks to put it on their bill. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10127 "2016-12-09T14:00:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Ask the ducks to put it on their bill. > > Regards, > Shodan Bad puns give me a head-egg. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10128 "2016-12-09T15:31:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The video does not show where he got the taser from. As far as we know, he got it out of his car. I would agree with this if tasers weren’t part of the normal kit that cops carry. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10129 "2016-12-09T16:23:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I would agree with this if tasers weren’t part of the normal kit that cops carry. So did Scott try to grab it, did the officer drop it, what happened? Was the struggle about getting the taser or was the taser dropped in a struggle that wasnt about Scott trying to gain control of it? Do we have any evidence beyond what the officer says? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10130 "2016-12-09T17:24:36Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Do we have any evidence beyond what the officer says? Well, there is the dashcam video. It shows Mr. Scott get out of his car and take off running. The officer never appears in the video. Put the two together and there is no indication that Scott ever made any physical contact with any constable. The available video evidence suggests that the “struggle” is entirely fabricated. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10131 "2016-12-09T18:32:46Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But, having body cams that don’t hold up to the rigors that would be asked of them, whether through durability or battery can be even worse, as if something happens and the body cam happened to not be working at the time, then people will become suspicious, just as I throw a have some reservations whenever I hear that a cop’s body cam was not turned on, or was malfunctioning during the encounter. > > Yes, they should get body cams, all law enforcement should have them in the end, but if the tech is not up to it yet, they may not actually do any good. Or, if they’re tampered with: [Probe underway of alleged doctored Albuquerque police videos](http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/us/article/US-investigating-allegations-on-Albuquerque-10785315.php) > [@](#): > > The U.S. Department of Justice is investigating whether Albuquerque police lapel camera videos have been altered or deleted, the U.S. Attorney’s Office announced Thursday. > > U.S. Attorney spokeswoman Elizabeth Martinez confirmed in an email that the Justice Department is looking into allegations of doctored police videos. Confirmation of the investigation came is the city of Albuquerque is making federal court-ordered reforms for its police department. > > … > > The concern stems from comments by former police records custodian Reynaldo Chavez, who said in a nine-page sworn affidavit that the department trained certain units and command staff to edit videos of interactions with civilians beginning in 2013. > > Chavez, who was fired in 2015, said videos were altered after two fatal shootings by police. His affidavit was filed as part of a lawsuit over one of those shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10132 "2016-12-09T19:19:29Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Well, there is the dashcam video. It shows Mr. Scott get out of his car and take off running. The officer never appears in the video. Put the two together and there is no indication that Scott ever made any physical contact with any constable. The available video evidence suggests that the “struggle” is entirely fabricated. Could be he just Barney Fife’d it and fumbled the taser as he was chasing the victim and decided he ought to shoot the victim so he can go back and get the taser, which he dropped again when he came back to check on the victim he just shot (oops, butterfingers). ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10133 "2016-12-09T20:07:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Could be he just Barney Fife’d it and fumbled the 1taser as he was chasing the victim and decided he ought to shoot the victim so he can go back and get the taser, which he dropped again when he came back to check on the victim he just shot (oops, butterfingers). This sounds like a Seth mcFarland routine on and would be hilarious if the dead dude was a cartoon. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10134 "2016-12-09T21:21:01Z")
[College nimrods at Ohio State are protesting shootings of non-white males by police, even when said non-white males are attempting to kill people.](http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/09/judge-jeanine-sounds-osu-students-decry-officers-shooting-terrorist) Among those listed as victims of racially-motivated shootings is Abdul Razak Ali Artan, a Somali refugee admitted to the country along with his mother and six siblings and whose college education was being paid for by U.S. taxpayers. But he was pissed about something, something America and started ramming students with his car and began stabbing others. But…but…he was _non-white_, and therefore unjustly shot according to these people. I’d be willing to bet that any number of these college-level students graduated high-school and entered college saying things like “Me and her saw you at the game Saturday” and would be hard pressed to figure out whether ‘they’re’, ‘their’ or ‘there’ should be used to indicate possession, but they’ve clearly attained a magna cum laude level education already in political correctness, SJWism and unthinking liberal group think. Maybe under Trump, schools will get back to teaching subjects instead of liberal indoctrination. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10135 "2016-12-09T21:45:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Maybe under Trump, schools will get back to teaching subjects instead of liberal indoctrination. Based on the success he showed with Trump U? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10136 "2016-12-09T22:05:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Maybe under Trump, schools will get back to teaching subjects instead of liberal indoctrination. Can we send you back too? I mean, we can obviously take out that nasty “liberal” word. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10137 "2016-12-10T14:36:14Z")
[Cop that shot driver and waited 11 minutes to tell anyone while trying to hide the evidence, sentenced to only 180 days.](http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/12/09/180-days-for-paradise-cop-who-took-11-minutes-to-report-shooting/) ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10138 "2016-12-10T15:32:02Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Cop that shot driver and waited 11 minutes to tell anyone while trying to hide the evidence, sentenced to only 180 days.](http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/12/09/180-days-for-paradise-cop-who-took-11-minutes-to-report-shooting/) I honestly don’t understand how people can see all these examples and still think it’s “just a few bad apples.” There’s an obvious problem with the system. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10139 "2016-12-10T16:17:15Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I honestly don’t understand how people can see all these examples and still think it’s “just a few bad apples.” There’s an obvious problem with the system. You know the saying, “A few bad apples has no effect whatsoever on the rest of the apples in the barrel.” That’s how it goes, right? ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10140 "2016-12-10T16:41:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You know the saying, “A few bad apples has no effect whatsoever on the rest of the apples in the barrel.” > > That’s how it goes, right? I thought it was “a few bad apples aren’t really that bad. They’re probably under a lot of stress and they thought their lives were in danger so how can you second guess them why do you hate America?” ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10141 "2016-12-10T16:53:56Z")
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