# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 526
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10502 "2017-03-22T19:19:42Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [A cop fires. A teen dies. Yet six police body cameras somehow miss what happens](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-cop-fires-a-teen-dies-yet-six-police-body-cameras-somehow-miss-what-happens/ar-BBytCsU) > > Yup, Stinks to high heaven. 6 bodycams, none caught the action. Sure. > Bolding mine. You know how it is with those newfangled whizbang gizmos. They sometimes just conk out. Again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Whaddayagonnado, amirite ? Nothing to see here, just your run of the mill technical glitch. Es. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10503 "2017-03-22T19:35:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You know how it is with those newfangled whizbang gizmos. They sometimes just conk out. Again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Whaddayagonnado, amirite ? Nothing to see here, just your run of the mill technical glitch. Es. The technology is young, and should not be exposed to violence. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10504 "2017-03-23T17:53:08Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [A cop fires. A teen dies. Yet six police body cameras somehow miss what happens](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-cop-fires-a-teen-dies-yet-six-police-body-cameras-somehow-miss-what-happens/ar-BBytCsU) > > Yup, Stinks to high heaven. 6 bodycams, none caught the action. Sure. > > Bolding mine. This needs to be investigated but with the current atty general, who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10505 "2017-03-23T18:41:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This needs to be investigated but with the current atty general, who knows. I think we all know, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10506 "2017-03-23T18:52:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This needs to be investigated but with the current atty general, who knows. This happened three years ago, and it was investigated. Darn that Eric Holder for his cover ups! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10507 "2017-03-23T21:42:34Z")
Meaning what, exactly? It is not going to be investigated. Not because of any administration. There is no evidence. Because the cops _control the evidence_. That was the point of the post. The only way to even get an investigation is to have a bystander record the action on a cell phone. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10508 "2017-03-28T01:45:13Z")
[Unarmed legal resident in critical condition after ICE agents raided Chicago home and shot him: family](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/unarmed-legal-resident-in-critical-condition-after-ice-agents-raided-chicago-home-and-shot-him-family/) > [@](#): > > After speaking with Torres’ daughter, the People’s Response Team added that “no members of the family are undocumented, and the family has lived in the home for at least 30 years.” ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10509 "2017-03-28T05:32:06Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Unarmed legal resident in critical condition after ICE agents raided Chicago home and shot him: family](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/unarmed-legal-resident-in-critical-condition-after-ice-agents-raided-chicago-home-and-shot-him-family/) ICE couldn’t legally have done a raid without a warrant. If everyone in the house was documented, whose name was on the warrant? I wish we could get more details. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10510 "2017-03-28T12:53:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This happened three years ago, and it was investigated. Darn that Eric Holder for his cover ups! > > Regards, > Shodan AFAICT the investigation is ongoing. “Federal investigators said in December that they were probing allegations that police tampered with video evidence in the case, underscoring broader questions about whether a nationwide rollout of body cameras is fulfilling promises of greater accountability.” Who knows what happens to that investigation under this Attorney General. I have some hope because the victim in this case was white. I disagree with the general sentiment that we cannot trust body cams. I think that there may be some “best practices” issues. But if the argument is that we can’t trust body cams because the police are corrupt then we have an issue that defies all solutions. How would you fix a police force that destroys evidence like this? Sensitivity training? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10511 "2017-03-28T13:37:16Z")
Administrative penalties for omissions, criminal penalties for commissions, and civilian oversight. Make the penalties for active collusion and passive collusion as severe as those for the initial act. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10512 "2017-03-28T17:40:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I disagree with the general sentiment that we cannot trust body cams. It’s not the _body cams_ we cannot trust. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10513 "2017-03-28T19:42:12Z")
[One-legged woman, framed by police and cleared of slaying can sue Kentucky trooper](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/one-legged-woman-cleared-of-slaying-can-sue-kentucky-trooper/ar-BByWlb4) > [@](#): > > Lt. Todd Harwood lied before a grand jury that indicted her on a murder charge in the death of Kyle Breeden by falsely testifying that it was impossible to determine if the bullets found in King’s floor and the ones found in Breeden’s skull were a match. It was possible to determine and it was determined. They were not a match. > [@](#): > > Harwood omitted from his testimony that King had only one leg, which would have undercut his claim that she dragged Breeden from her home and threw him off a bridge. > [@](#): > > The Courier-Journal previously reported that after Breeden’s body was found in 1998 in the Kentucky River, his murder went unsolved for eight years, despite an investigation by six KSP detectives. > > But when Harwood was assigned it as a cold case in 2006, it took him only 21 days to say he had solved it and that King was the culprit. How did he solve it so quickly? He framed a poor woman. > [@](#): > > The Kentucky Innocence Project already had been working on the case for several years when on May 4, 2012, **a serial murderer named Richard Jarrell confessed to a Louisville Metro Police detective that he had in fact killed Breeden**. Bolding mine. The Louisville Metro Police detective was demoted to night shift patrol for meddling in a State Police investigation. He sued the State under whistleblower statute and got 450K. > [@](#): > > Besides the homicide charge, Harwood also got King indicted for tampering with physical evidence, alleging in part that she had cleaned the floor of her kitchen, which he claimed was the crime scene. > > But Boggs noted for the court that the KSP lab found no traces of cleaning solvent on the floor. And what was the lying sack of shit’s punishment? > [@](#): > > Harwood, who received a KSP “Commissioner’s Commendation” in 2009 for his “outstanding achievement in solving Breeden’s murder,” is still on the force. He is now a lieutenant and paid $70,346 a year. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10514 "2017-03-31T18:14:31Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Here’s a 6 year-old future criminal killed by the cops: > > [Boy, 6, killed after Louisiana marshals fire on vehicle during chase, reports say - cleveland.com](http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2015/11/boy_6_killed_after_louisiana_m.html) [One of the two officers arrested, Derrick Stafford, has been convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 40 years in prison](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b3720b1cfb3d4ee884525c9aa3518dc8/officer-gets-40-years-prison-childs-shooting-death). Norris Greenhouse, Jr. still faces a murder trial later this year. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10515 "2017-03-31T23:25:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [One of the two officers arrested, Derrick Stafford, has been convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 40 years in prison](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b3720b1cfb3d4ee884525c9aa3518dc8/officer-gets-40-years-prison-childs-shooting-death). > > Norris Greenhouse, Jr. still faces a murder trial later this year. So, if white officers had shot them, or if the victims had been black, the DA would be doing nothing. > [@](#): > > Stafford and Greenhouse are black. Few is white, and so was his son… One of Stafford’s attorneys questioned whether investigators would have acted more deliberately if the officers had been white. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10516 "2017-04-03T12:52:43Z")
How many of you saw last night’s 60 Minutes Story on the Shelby/Crutcher shooting and were left with the impression that Crutcher had his hands up when shot? That seemed to be the spin of the story. I saw no evidence of that. In fact, the video shows his hands dropping towards the door handle or window before he goes down but the reporter never mentioned that. In a highly unusual move, the officer agreed to be interviewed before her trial. I take this as an effort to counter the media-driven theory that this was a case of racially influenced excessive force. How many times did stories on this case start with “Unarmed Man Had Hands Up Before being Shot by Police Officer”? While technically correct, it would be just as accurate (and relevant) to say “Man Had Breakfast Before Being Shot by Police Officer”. How about mentioning where his hands were WHEN he was shot? His sister said that he was just doing what their parents said to do when confronted by police - going to put his hands on the car. Except that he walked by the back of the SUV and the side of the SUV and the police car thereby bypassing opportunities to do what his parents allegedly taught him to do. And they didn’t teach him to do what the cops says, especially when he/she is pointing a gun at you? I think the officer handled herself very well during the interview and will make an excellent witness should she choose to testify. I predict that she will be acquitted and rightly so. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10517 "2017-04-07T03:29:51Z")
The Tampa Bay Times has an excellent piece of investigative reporting where they [compiled a list of every shooting in the state of Florida from 2009 - 2014](http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/investigations/florida-police-shootings/why-cops-shoot/) and goes through and systematically dissects the data in an attempt to answer the question of why cops shoot. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10518 "2017-04-07T16:38:33Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > The Tampa Bay Times has an excellent piece of investigative reporting where they [compiled a list of every shooting in the state of Florida from 2009 - 2014](http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/investigations/florida-police-shootings/why-cops-shoot/) and goes through and systematically dissects the data in an attempt to answer the question of why cops shoot. Fantastic article. We need to do more. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10519 "2017-04-10T16:36:40Z")
[ > [@](#): > > Video shows three security officials dragging a male passenger from a United Airlines flight that the airline said was overbooked as it waited to depart from Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. > > Passenger Audra D. Bridges posted the video on Facebook after the incident Sunday evening. It shows the guards grabbing the screaming man from a window seat and pulling him across the armrest before dragging him down the airplane aisle by his arms. > > Other passengers are heard saying, “Please, my God. What are you doing? No. This is wrong. Oh my God. Look at what you did to him” and “Busted his lip.” > > Bridges, of Louisville, told The (Louisville) Courier-Journal ([Video shows man forcibly removed from United flight from Chicago to Louisville](http://cjky.it/2oQtLIA) ) that after the passengers had boarded the flight to Louisville, Kentucky, they were told that four volunteers were needed to give up their seats for stand-by United employees who needed to be in Louisville on Monday for a flight. She said they were told the flight wouldn’t depart until the employees were seated.Video shows three security officials dragging a male passenger from a United Airlines flight that the airline said was overbooked as it waited to depart from Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. > > Passenger Audra D. Bridges posted the video on Facebook after the incident Sunday evening. It shows the guards grabbing the screaming man from a window seat and pulling him across the armrest before dragging him down the airplane aisle by his arms. > > Other passengers are heard saying, “Please, my God. What are you doing? No. This is wrong. Oh my God. Look at what you did to him” and “Busted his lip.” > > Bridges, of Louisville, told The (Louisville) Courier-Journal ([Video shows man forcibly removed from United flight from Chicago to Louisville](http://cjky.it/2oQtLIA) ) that after the passengers had boarded the flight to Louisville, Kentucky, they were told that four volunteers were needed to give up their seats for stand-by United employees who needed to be in Louisville on Monday for a flight. She said they were told the flight wouldn’t depart until the employees were seated. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_UNITED\_PASSENGER\_REMOVED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-10-11-08-04](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_PASSENGER_REMOVED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-10-11-08-04))So the airline made an error and then paying customers were forced to alter their plans, [one of them enduring physical violence, which was filmed and published on Facebook for the world to see](https://www.facebook.com/audra.dickerson). That’s public relations! > [@](#): > > “We followed the right procedures,” Hobart told the Associated Press in a phone interview. “That plane had to depart. We wanted to get our customers to their destinations, and when one gentleman refused to get off the aircraft, we had to call the Chicago Police Department.” Nice to know that in the US, the cops are still there to support a company’s needs, eh? I considered starting a new thread for this, but then I figured it’s really just another example of the type of incident that this thread was created for so here it is. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10520 "2017-04-10T19:04:07Z")
There already is a [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=823658)for this and you might be shocked, as I was, at the defenders of the airline therein. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10521 "2017-04-10T20:10:28Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > There already is a [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=823658)for this and you might be shocked, as I was, at the defenders of the airline therein. MPSIMS thread. Might eventually get moved to the PIT anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=525) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=527)