# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 527
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10522 "2017-04-11T00:57:57Z")
Guess the guy should have taken the cash and free hotel. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10523 "2017-04-11T02:46:39Z")
Ft. Collins, CO police respond to an altercation at a bar. In the course of the incident, a cop tries to restrain a 22 year old woman. He holds both her wrists. She appears to struggle a little, perhaps trying to pull away. The cop body slams her. The jackasses filming it laugh. > **[Video shows male police officer body-slamming college student on sidewalk](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/10/video-shows-male-police-officer-body-slamming-sorority-girl-on-sidewalk/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.a8ddb0271e18)** > > Police say the shocking video lacks context. The clip is short and lacking context. And apparently the woman was not badly hurt. On the one hand, this is minor compared to the majority of incidents in this thread. An incident without a dead civilian is a good one, I guess. On the other hand, it does look like the body slam was a bit excessive. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10524 "2017-04-12T06:34:30Z")
Black suspect is restrained and face down on the ground, so he apparently needs to be [kicked in the head](https://www.10tv.com/article/video-appears-show-columbus-police-officer-kicking-man-head) by one of the cops on the scene. > [@](#): > > Police have released the following statement: “Officer Zachary Rosen is under investigation for his actions that took place involving a suspect under arrest on Saturday, April 8, 2017. Officer Rosen has been reassigned to a non-patrol duty indefinitely.” There’s a video at the linked page. The cop involved in this case was also recently one of two officers involved in the [shooting death](http://nbc4i.com/2017/04/10/officers-in-henry-green-shooting-say-they-feared-for-their-lives/) of another black man. Witness accounts of the incident differed, and the man they shot was apparently armed. A grand jury declined to issue an indictment just last month. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10525 "2017-04-12T11:48:29Z")
Jaywalking suspect beaten by a cop on the ground. > **[Video Shows Sacramento Cop Beating Jaywalking Suspect](https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/video-shows-sacramento-cop-beating-jaywalker/)** > > "I thought I was going to be the next Trayvon Martin." ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10526 "2017-04-12T12:36:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Jaywalking suspect beaten by a cop on the ground. > > [Video Shows Sacramento Cop Beating Jaywalking Suspect - CBS Los Angeles](http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/11/video-shows-sacramento-cop-beating-jaywalker/) On a side note, Nandi Cain is one cool name. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10527 "2017-04-12T13:53:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Jaywalking suspect beaten by a cop on the ground. > > [Video Shows Sacramento Cop Beating Jaywalking Suspect - CBS Los Angeles](http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/11/video-shows-sacramento-cop-beating-jaywalker/) I’m sure the cop haters will be along to defend this thug, but Jaywalking is what we in law enforcement call a “gateway crime.” We don’t know for sure but statistics show that this thug had probably jaywalked before and would continue to jaywalk unless apprehended and punished. Eric Garner, who had to be put down in New York City for selling loosies, probably started his criminal career as a jaywalker. A flagrant chronic jaywalker is probably going to graduate to changing lanes without signalling; from there it’s a short step to becoming a suicide bomber. And pity this poor cop! He apprehends a dangerous criminal, yet knew in his heart that a liberal judge would let the guy off without a prison term. :smack: It’s no surprise he wanted to do society a favor and punish Nandi Cain right now. We can’t be sure — two hos showed up to interfere with justice — but it appears the cop was trying to be merciful, maiming the thug for life instead of a simple extrajudicial execution. And the proof that the cop was correct, that he needed to provide justice on the spot? When Cain was brought to the police station, he was just jailed overnight and _let go the next day with no charges filed_. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10528 "2017-04-12T15:55:23Z")
“_Cain was initially arrested on suspicion of resisting arrest_” umm … ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10529 "2017-04-12T16:36:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Jaywalking suspect beaten by a cop on the ground. > > [Video Shows Sacramento Cop Beating Jaywalking Suspect - CBS Los Angeles](http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/11/video-shows-sacramento-cop-beating-jaywalker/) Why was the cop on the ground? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10530 "2017-04-12T16:47:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > “_Cain was initially arrested on suspicion of resisting arrest_” > > umm … I can only imagine that this statement was released by noted Sacramento Police Chief, Colonel Cathcart. I guess they lost the proper forms to charge him with vagrancy or loitering. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10531 "2017-04-13T00:24:09Z")
[Florida Cop Charged in Shooting of Unarmed Therapist](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-cop-charged-in-shooting-of-unarmed-therapist/ar-BBzM8tp) > [@](#): > > A Florida police officer was charged with attempted manslaughter on Wednesday for shooting the unarmed caretaker of an autistic man last summer. > > In addition to attempted manslaughter in the third degree, North Miami Police Officer Jonathan Aledda was also charged with culpable negligence, a first-degree misdemeanor, for the shooting of behavioral therapist Charles Kinsey in July. Better late than never, I suppose. For thos who do not like links, this was the one where the autistic guy who had a toy truck. A therapist tried, with arms reaching for the sky in traditional ‘I surrender’ pose, to keep the autistic guy from getting shot. So the cop shot the therapist. > [@](#): > > “Officer Aledda was not in a position to correctly assess the situation or in a position to accurately fire.” ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10532 "2017-04-13T23:39:34Z")
One cop sucker punches suspect, then other cop rushes in and stomps his head after he’s handcuffed. [videoed by two separate cameras](http://www.cbs46.com/story/35142338/gwinnett-county-officer-on-leave-after-kicking-handcuffed-man-in-head) Someday, cops are going to have to assume that EVERYTHING they do is recorded. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10533 "2017-04-14T00:41:46Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > The Tampa Bay Times has an excellent piece of investigative reporting where they [compiled a list of every shooting in the state of Florida from 2009 - 2014](http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/investigations/florida-police-shootings/why-cops-shoot/) and goes through and systematically dissects the data in an attempt to answer the question of why cops shoot. great article! the interview with Michael Chitwood, former Daytona Beach police chief, now sheriff of Volusia County, particularly caught my eye > [@](#): > > “The key to use of force anywhere is proportionality. Would you use an elephant gun to kill a flea? Would I use deadly force if somebody was biting on my finger?” His answer was no. > > He said most officers never fire their guns, yet they spend hundreds of hours at the gun range. They spend far less time training in active listening and communication. “We’re proficient in (shooting), but we’re not proficient in the No. 1 thing: dealing with people,” > > “I think most shootings that we see are because we the police put ourselves in a position that we don’t need to be in,” he said. “Today, for some reason, we’ve switched out of the guardian mentality and we’ve become warriors. And that’s not what American policing was founded on.” this man has my vote for sheriff of the US! mc ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10534 "2017-04-14T00:53:39Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > One cop sucker punches suspect, then other cop rushes in and stomps his head after he’s handcuffed. > > [videoed by two separate cameras](http://www.cbs46.com/story/35142338/gwinnett-county-officer-on-leave-after-kicking-handcuffed-man-in-head) > > Someday, cops are going to have to assume that EVERYTHING they do is recorded. That was really despicable. The second cop was particularly cowardly to hit a man lying helpless on the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10535 "2017-04-14T04:11:25Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > Someday, cops are going to have to assume that EVERYTHING they do is recorded. It won’t change anything. Have you seen morons who post video evidence of their crimes online? It is the same sort of stupidity that will ensure police behaviour doesn’t change until hiring/ training change. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10536 "2017-04-14T07:13:01Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > It won’t change anything. Have you seen morons who post video evidence of their crimes online? It is the same sort of stupidity that will ensure police behaviour doesn’t change until hiring/ training change. Well, at least in this case they both got fired. The chief of police said he was literally sick about it, so maybe this will lead to the rest of the force getting some training. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10537 "2017-04-15T11:23:37Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > That was really despicable. The second cop was particularly cowardly to hit a man lying helpless on the ground. _Slate_ has an [article](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/14/the_michael_bongiovanni_case_shows_how_bad_cops_cover_for_each_other.html) about this case including Officer Bongiovanni’s statement of the event. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10538 "2017-04-15T16:55:45Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > _Slate_ has an [article](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/14/the_michael_bongiovanni_case_shows_how_bad_cops_cover_for_each_other.html) about this case including Officer Bongiovanni’s statement of the event. The problem is much more than bad cops. It’s cops who don’t beat people up, but nonetheless cover for cops who do. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10539 "2017-04-15T17:08:48Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Guess the guy should have taken the cash and free hotel. Do not pass Go; do not collect $200. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10540 "2017-04-15T18:21:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The problem is much more than bad cops. It’s cops who don’t beat people up, but nonetheless cover for cops who do. Yep, and it’s why the “few bad apples” argument will not hold any sway with me until the cops who witness this sort of behavior consistently speak out against it, willingly testify against the “bad apples” when the investigations and court cases come, and don’t stand up alongside the bad cops whenever someone criticizes police procedures. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10541 "2017-04-18T19:10:59Z")
[Newfoundland cops kick it old school, have man committed for angry tweets.](http://www.vancouversun.com/court+defends+political+dissent+after+sent+psychiatric+hospital+criticizing+police+shooting/13307059/story.html)Seems like a really disgusting abuse of power, but I suppose there could be more to the story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=526) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=528)