# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 545
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10882 "2017-07-14T12:47:28Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > I actually read through the arrest report and I’ll be damned if that girl shouldn’t be waved through the SEALs training by the description of the event. > > Of course, we know that no police ever lie, right? Most people would find it hard to admit that they were fearing for their life from a 19 year old 115lb girl, I find this officer’s honesty refreshing. > [@](#): > > This comes back to the post I made a few days back about the problem when police officials don’t address the issue when officers lie in their reports and then the video comes out afterwards. And then wonder why we don’t take them at their word when there is no video evidence to back them up. If at least the officers were punished accordingly, then you would feel that they have some credibility, but with the knowledge that they can lie with no repercussions, it seems more like than not that they are, at the very least, telling “their side” of the story. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10883 "2017-07-14T14:12:54Z")
And yet the law still always gives them the benefit of the doubt. It boggles the mind. WHY? How many instances of police lying in police reports would you have to show a judge to convince him that, gee, maybe the guy is just as likely to lie as anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10884 "2017-07-14T14:51:10Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > And yet the law still always gives them the benefit of the doubt. It boggles the mind. WHY? How many instances of police lying in police reports would you have to show a judge to convince him that, gee, maybe the guy is just as likely to lie as anyone else? It’s when juries finally stop believing the word of a cop that things may actually start to change. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10885 "2017-07-14T17:32:37Z")
As long as there are **Smaptis** in the world, incompetent officers will feel comfortable rolling the dice with juries. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10886 "2017-07-15T03:18:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No idea. Random dude could be motivated by anything. Random dude’s statements, no matter what the claims of the random dude about whose voice he is, don’t say anything about the views of a big and decentralized movement, especially when the official statements of that movement have all directly contradicted any violent nonsense spewed by random dudes. This random dude was one of the central organizers of the Ferguson Missouri protests. [Tef Poe - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tef_Poe) > [@](#): > > No idea. They’re random people. Random people could be motivated by anything. They certainly don’t represent the views of a big and decentralized movement, especially when the official statements of that movement have all directly contradicted any violent nonsense spewed by random people. What official statements? How does a big decentralized movement make official statements? Or are you saying “Hey don’t look at the violent stuff that BLM does, that’s not part of BLM just the non-violent stuff is part of BLM” > [@](#): > > Assuming he actually said this in the context you’re asserting, I doubt it. I imagine he was a grieving father momentarily overcome by anger. Grieving family members momentarily overcome by anger don’t represent the views of a big and decentralized movement, especially when the official statements of that movement have all directly contradicted any violent statements from grieving family members momentarily overcome by anger. So if I can point to official statements by the NRA saying they aren’t racist, then we can put the NRA is racist theory to bed? Michael Brown’s dad said it in the immediate aftermath of the not guilty verdict. > [@](#): > > None of my criticisms about the NRA have been about that asshole. Well, name someone. > [@](#): > > Sigh. There’s probably no point in bothering continuing this, but I sometimes can’t help myself. Hopefully some day you won’t be so irrationally prejudiced against beaten-down and victimized people when, very occasionally, small groups of them react with human emotion that sometimes goes too far (something that has occurred multiple times with literally every single instance of oppression in human history). Wait I thought that BLM wasn’t violent? Now its just a small part of BLM that is violent? Well I guess that’s progress at least. Maybe next month we can get you to realize that there is no excuse for violence in a democratic society and that BLM was using violence as part of their strategy to get what they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10887 "2017-07-15T03:39:05Z")
Yeah, not gonna bother continuing this when you’re piling lying about my positions on top of all the rest of the crap you’ve been spewing about BLM. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10888 "2017-07-16T06:58:57Z")
[Woman says cops took phone after she videoed sons’ arrests](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mother-cops-phone-videoed-sons-arrests-48620718) > [@](#): > > A woman alleges that police in the Dallas suburb of Arlington offered to drop charges against her two teenage sons in exchange for cellphone video she shot that she says shows an officer needlessly pushing her older son to the ground and arresting him. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10889 "2017-07-17T00:17:39Z")
> [@](#): > > A 40-year-old woman who family members said called 911 to report a possible assault in the alley Saturday night was fatally shot by a Minneapolis police officer, according to authorities and the woman’s soon-to-be stepson. > > The shooting happened at the south end of the alley on W. 51st Street between Washburn and Xerxes avenues S. in the city’s Fulton neighborhood. The woman, an Australian native, and her fiancé lived in the 5000 block of Washburn. They had planned to marry in August, a family friend said. > **[Woman was fatally shot through door of Minneapolis police car, sources say](https://www.startribune.com/justine-damond-fatally-shot-through-door-of-minneapolis-police-car-sources-say/434782213/)** > > Mayor Hodges "heartsick;" officers' bodycams weren't turned on, BCA says. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10890 "2017-07-17T00:51:29Z")
Minneapolis Police Body Cam Data for March 2017 Total number of officers working with body cameras Total hours worked in 911 capacity Body worn camera hours Precinct 1 79 11,576.5 439.48 Precinct 2 74 10,177 388.72 Precinct 3 94 13.454.75 506.55 Precinct 4 95 13,465.75 584.17 Precinct 5 71 10,112.8 513.03 City Hall 7 979.5 112.32 The mayor has asked the BCA to investigate the shooting and one of the city council members has asked the police why they’re not using the cameras we just spent $4 million on. I’m sure the police will offer a ton of excuses and try to fight back, but this is becoming a political issue. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10891 "2017-07-17T01:04:24Z")
Tidied up your data a bit, to make it easier to see: ```auto Precinct Officers Total Hours Total Cam Hours Precinct 1 79 11,576.5 439.48 Precinct 2 74 10,177 388.72 Precinct 3 94 13.454.75 506.55 Precinct 4 95 13,465.75 584.17 Precinct 5 71 10,112.8 513.03 City Hall 7 979.5 112.32 ``` I think that departments that have adopted body cameras should make it a fireable offense not to have the cameras activated during contact incidents, especially incidents that result from a 911 call. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10892 "2017-07-17T03:13:25Z")
I think it should be a legal issue. If you shoot someone in the line of duty, your body camera is deactivated, and you can’t give a _damn_ good reason why it’s deactivated, you’re gonna face charges and suspicion of murder. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10893 "2017-07-17T04:50:33Z")
I do like the idea of punishment for not having it on when responding to a 911 call. Simply make it part of the report and then have stricter punishment than what an officer faces for coming in late to work. I think that more officers should face legal charges for filing false statements. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10894 "2017-07-17T11:39:32Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > I do like the idea of punishment for not having it on when responding to a 911 call. Simply make it part of the report and then have stricter punishment than what an officer faces for coming in late to work. > > I think that more officers should face legal charges for filing false statements. Their defense will be: “But human memory is not reliable! You can’t hold us accountable for accidentally kicking the gun near him and forgetting to mention it in the report, we’re only human!”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10895 "2017-07-17T15:45:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Maybe next month we can get you to realize that **there is no excuse for violence in a democratic society** and that BLM was using violence as part of their strategy to get what they wanted. The bolded part of this sentence is ludicrous and has no basis in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10896 "2017-07-17T15:47:54Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1](http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1) I see that **PastTense** beat me to posting this story. I can’t wait for the details to emerge. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10897 "2017-07-17T16:36:47Z")
From today’s article; “Three sources with knowledge of the incident said Sunday that two officers in one squad car, responding to the 911 call, pulled into the alley. Damond, in her pajamas, went to the driver’s side door and was talking to the driver. The officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver’s side door, sources said. No weapon was found at the scene.” What the fucking hell? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10898 "2017-07-17T18:13:13Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > From today’s article; > > “Three sources with knowledge of the incident said Sunday that two officers in one squad car, responding to the 911 call, pulled into the alley. Damond, in her pajamas, went to the driver’s side door and was talking to the driver. The officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver’s side door, sources said. No weapon was found at the scene.” > > What the fucking hell? Wow! I didn’t think that any police shooting story could still astound me, but if this account turns out to be true, i will count myself officially gobsmacked. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10899 "2017-07-17T18:42:01Z")
I just read this story about that shooting. Absolutely no information at all. Why even bother? [http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-officer-fatally-shoots-australian-bride-to-be-under-mysterious-circumstances/ar-BBEzAWC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-officer-fatally-shoots-australian-bride-to-be-under-mysterious-circumstances/ar-BBEzAWC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10900 "2017-07-17T18:45:31Z")
Well there is _some_ information. The police, part of a department that has adopted the use of body cameras, did not activate their body cameras for this call. Neither did the car’s camera capture the shooting. Whatever else happened or didn’t happen, this is, in my opinion, newsworthy information in a case like this. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10901 "2017-07-17T18:54:12Z")
> **[Family, city want answers after Minneapolis officer fatally shoots 911 caller](https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-shot-killed-justine-damond-identified-as-mohamed-noor/434975623/)** > > Justine Damond, 40, who called 911 to report a possible assault behind her south Minneapolis home Saturday night, was fatally shot by a police officer. No body cams were running at the time. Officer Mohamed Noor, one of the first Somali police officers in Minnesota, joined the force in early 2015 and already had one complaint of excessive force against him. Oh yes, and police are _required_ to activate their body cameras on calls like this, and they did not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=544) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=546)