# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 548
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10942 "2017-07-19T19:10:49Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Or they are putting their collective heads together to come up with a plausible scenario where the unarmed white woman who called 911 could have looked like such a threat where the officer feared for his life, pulled and fired his weapon while still in the car with his partner in the line of fire. > > \*That \*one is gonna take some time. I also wonder how his partner feels about all this. I am imagining how this played out, and I can’t see any scenario where Noor’s gun was not pretty much right next to his partner’s right ear. Is his ear still ringing, or has it recovered full use yet? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10943 "2017-07-19T21:07:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I also wonder how his partner feels about all this. I am imagining how this played out, and I can’t see any scenario where Noor’s gun was not pretty much right next to his partner’s right ear. > > Is his ear still ringing, or has it recovered full use yet? It’s like an episode of fucking _Archer._ ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10944 "2017-07-19T23:57:53Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > [Body camera footage shows officer planting drugs, public defender says](http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-body-camera-footage-20170719-story.html) The footage also captures two other officers watching him. The officer who planted the drugs is suspended while the others are merely reassigned to other duties pending investigation. I can’t see how a culture of corruption can be changed when those who knowingly turn a blind eye are not punished. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10945 "2017-07-20T09:46:14Z")
NRA TV hosts say that BLM success means white families get tortured and killed: > **[WATCH: NRA TV hosts warn ‘white families’ will be ‘tortured and killed’ if...](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/watch-nra-tv-hosts-warn-white-families-will-be-tortured-and-killed-if-black-lives-matter-succeeds/)** > > Grant Stinchfield, a host at the NRA's online television network, made more incendiary comments about Black Lives Matter activists allegedly stoking "racial hatred" against white people.Via Media Matters, Stinchfield began a segment on his show... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10946 "2017-07-20T10:33:41Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Cases like that just show me that officers need to have **way** less control over when their body cameras are active. If the body camera is only active when the officer wants it to be active, it’s only going to show what they want it to show – unless the officer is a total moron like that last example. It ought to be as automatic as flight data and cockpit voice recorders on commercial aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10947 "2017-07-20T10:34:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > NRA TV hosts say that BLM success means white families get tortured and killed: > > [WATCH: NRA TV hosts warn ‘white families’ will be ‘tortured and killed’ if Black Lives Matter succeeds](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/watch-nra-tv-hosts-warn-white-families-will-be-tortured-and-killed-if-black-lives-matter-succeeds/) NRA has made the long, slow creep from being a once-respectable lobby for gun enthusiasts to a right wing extremist group ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10948 "2017-07-20T11:47:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > NRA TV hosts say that BLM success means white families get tortured and killed: > > [WATCH: NRA TV hosts warn ‘white families’ will be ‘tortured and killed’ if Black Lives Matter succeeds](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/watch-nra-tv-hosts-warn-white-families-will-be-tortured-and-killed-if-black-lives-matter-succeeds/) Is it just me or does that guy kind of looks like Tim Curry in Legend: [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/1e/f3/841ef307e71c8c4d7ee2d50e999ad81a--legend-quotes-tim-curry.jpg](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/1e/f3/841ef307e71c8c4d7ee2d50e999ad81a--legend-quotes-tim-curry.jpg) Not trying to imply anything. 😛 I think it’s the prominent jaw. And I also just watched the original cut of the movie (which kinda sucks). > [@asahi](#): > > It ought to be as automatic as flight data and cockpit voice recorders on commercial aircraft. I thought I heard about police, somewhere, having cameras on their guns that autocratically turn on when the gun is drawn. We need some type of automation like that too. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10949 "2017-07-20T12:53:02Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Is it just me or does that guy kind of looks like Tim Curry in Legend: [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/1e/f3/841ef307e71c8c4d7ee2d50e999ad81a--legend-quotes-tim-curry.jpg](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/1e/f3/841ef307e71c8c4d7ee2d50e999ad81a--legend-quotes-tim-curry.jpg) > > Not trying to imply anything. 😛 I think it’s the prominent jaw. And I also just watched the original cut of the movie (which kinda sucks). > > I thought I heard about police, somewhere, having cameras on their guns that autocratically turn on when the gun is drawn. > > We need some type of automation like that too. My underline. Does a gun really need an iron fist? ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10950 "2017-07-20T15:17:02Z")
If that video is what it appears to be, that cop needs to be locked up, the other two fired (at least) and every case the planter worked on dismissed. WTF? How in the world could someone think that locking up some drug dealer is important enough to risk your freedom? If the drug dealer gets away, who cares? He’ll be back tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10951 "2017-07-20T15:57:10Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > If that video is what it appears to be, that cop needs to be locked up, the other two fired (at least) and every case the planter worked on dismissed. WTF? How in the world could someone think that locking up some drug dealer is important enough to risk your freedom? If the drug dealer gets away, who cares? He’ll be back tomorrow. He thought he’d get away with it. We’ll see, he was probably right. Just catching cops on video breaking laws, planting evidence, or even killing people in cold blood is not enough to get them into any trouble. This is the entire point of this thread, cops are demonstrating to the public that they are not to be trusted. This sucks for any good cops out there, but if you’re a good cop, then you need to turn in the bad. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10952 "2017-07-20T16:02:43Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > The footage also captures two other officers watching him. The officer who planted the drugs is suspended while the others are merely reassigned to other duties pending investigation. I can’t see how a culture of corruption can be changed when those who knowingly turn a blind eye are not punished. In the video from January 2017, officer Richard Pinheiro is seen planting a plastic bag of pills amongst trash in an alley. The footage is from a January drug arrest. It shows an officer placing a soup can, which holds a plastic bag, into a trash-strewn lot. The officer can then be seen walking to the street, where he flips on his body camera. “I’m gonna go check here,” the officer says. He returns to the lot and picks up the soup can, removing a plastic bag filled with white capsules. This footage was caught because of a handy feature in the police body cam: the last 30 seconds of footage captured before the police officer turns on the camera are automatically saved—without audio. The defendant’s attorney found the footage just in the nick of time—it was the night before the trial. The case resulted in a not guilty verdict. **The man, unable to post $50,000 bail, had been in jail since January, according to attorney Deborah Levi, who is leading a new effort to track police misconduct cases for the public defender’s office.** This is just one of MANY cases we are finally hearing about. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10953 "2017-07-20T23:58:16Z")
Looks like the Minneapolis Police will hang Noor out to dry: > [@](#): > > The Minneapolis police chief has said the shooting of Australian woman Justine Damond “shouldn’t have happened” and that it was the result of the actions and the flawed judgment of one officer. > > The police chief, Janee Harteau, who was on leave at the time of the shooting last week, distanced the police department from the actions of officer Mohamed Noor in her first public comments on the matter. > > “Justine didn’t have to die. Based on the publicly-released information from the BCA, this should not have happened,” Harteau said. [Justine Damond 'didn't have to die', says Minneapolis police chief | Justine Damond shooting | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/21/justine-damond-didnt-have-to-die-says-minneapolis-police-chief) ---
**Author:** ![Anduinel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Anduinel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduinel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10954 "2017-07-21T13:08:17Z")
The Minneapolis police are not having a good PR week. [One of their officers was caught offering some embellished facts about an encounter in which he shot dogs confined in their own yard.](http://www.startribune.com/body-camera-video-of-cop-who-shot-2-dogs-in-mpls-yard-is-released/435637703/) Fortunately, the owners had their own video to refute his story about being charged and shooting their dogs in self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10955 "2017-07-21T20:05:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > NRA has made the long, slow creep from being a once-respectable lobby for gun enthusiasts to a right wing extremist group Fuck the NRA. I say that as a “good Murrican” gun owner. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10956 "2017-07-21T20:07:12Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Looks like the Minneapolis Police will hang Noor out to dry: > > [Justine Damond 'didn't have to die', says Minneapolis police chief | Justine Damond shooting | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/21/justine-damond-didnt-have-to-die-says-minneapolis-police-chief) Good, but I’m sure it’s ONLY because of all the heat that’s coming down directly on him (the Chief). ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10957 "2017-07-21T20:16:47Z")
Which\* “him”\* are you referring to? The Mayor or the Chief of Police? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10958 "2017-07-21T20:32:25Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Good, but I’m sure it’s ONLY because of all the heat that’s coming down directly on him (the Chief). The him is a she, you sexist you. > [@Muffin](#): > > Which\* “him”\* are you referring to? The Mayor or the Chief of Police? BOTH are women. Holy shit, if this is the level of accuracy around here I… Meh. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10959 "2017-07-21T20:42:35Z")
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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10960 "2017-07-21T22:08:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I will never understand why it’s up to officers when to turn their body cameras on or not. > > I mean, by the **same logic law enforcement routinely uses** , if you’ve got nothing to hide, you shouldn’t mind a little invasion of privacy, right? Well, isn’t that the same damn argument they use against us??? Why do we need a warrant? Do you have something to hide? Why won’t you show us ID (for no fucking reason)? Do you have something to hide? It goes both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/10961 "2017-07-21T22:37:10Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well, isn’t that the same damn argument they use against us??? > > Why do we need a warrant? Do you have something to hide? > > Why won’t you show us ID (for no fucking reason)? Do you have something to hide? > > It goes both ways. It doesn’t. They work for us. They are accountable. they wield power that we gave them, and they are free to resign if they do not like. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=547) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=549)