# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 557
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11122 "2017-08-22T15:48:16Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I think that to mistrust, or fear, or hate them more than you would any other group of people is bigotry. People who fear an interaction with the police, just as those who fear an interaction with a black person, a Muslim, or a homosexual, are not judging that person by who they are, but by the actions of other members of their group (or the group the fearing person assigns them to). That is, quite literally, prejudice. > > Any police officer is extremely unlikely to shoot you, but it happens. Any given Muslim is extremely unlikely to blow you up. Any given homosexual is extremely unlikely to molest your son, and so on. The language being used, the type of fear expressed, and the proposed solutions to the problem are _identical_ to those used by racists and homophobes. “The police Unions must be stopped, but other Unions are OK” is exactly equivalent to “Mosques are bad, but Churches or Temples are fine”. “Some cops are fine, I only hate the bad ones” is identical to “Some black men are fine, I only hate the criminals”. > > People here have demonstrated that they are exactly what they claim to hate,and it’s hilarious. The difference is, is if a muslim blows you up, they go to jail, if a homosexual molests your son (nice beginning that idea up, shows what school of bigotry you subscribe to), you can put that homosexual in jail. If a cop shoots you, then they get a paid vacation and their job back. That is the reason for a bit of mistrust of police in the interactions. They can legally make you life hell, or end it, just on a whim. Do any muslims or homossexuals have that legal ability? No, then your argument falls apart entirely. It is not that we treat cops poorly, it is that you expect us to treat cops as if they were untouchable gods, and us asking that they are treated the same as everyone else is what you call bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11123 "2017-08-22T15:58:11Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I think that to mistrust, or fear, or hate them more than you would any other group of people is bigotry. People who fear an interaction with the police, just as those who fear an interaction with a black person, a Muslim, or a homosexual, are not judging that person by who they are, but by the actions of other members of their group (or the group the fearing person assigns them to). That is, quite literally, prejudice. > > Any police officer is extremely unlikely to shoot you, but it happens. Any given Muslim is extremely unlikely to blow you up. Any given homosexual is extremely unlikely to molest your son, and so on. The language being used, the type of fear expressed, and the proposed solutions to the problem are _identical_ to those used by racists and homophobes. “The police Unions must be stopped, but other Unions are OK” is exactly equivalent to “Mosques are bad, but Churches or Temples are fine”. “Some cops are fine, I only hate the bad ones” is identical to “Some black men are fine, I only hate the criminals”. > > People here have demonstrated that they are exactly what they claim to hate,and it’s hilarious. Again, a slave fearing slave masters due to personally experienced brutality is both reasonable and not the same as slave masters fearing slaves. When over half of black people report personal mistreatment by law enforcement, it’s reasonable to expect that they might have less trust for law enforcement than others. It’s not the same as the reverse. There’s no comparable statistic for the reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11124 "2017-08-22T16:09:43Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You need to ditch your prejudice against upstanding members of the community just because a few of them are criminals, and you don’t like their clothing. A few of them are criminals. And when they commit crimes, they get to write the reports and testify at trials and their versions of what they did become ‘fact’ unless a citizen happens to catch it on their phones. And the ones who aren’t criminals protect the ones who are. They become complicit, and that makes them criminals as well. Whenever bad cops get exposed as bad cops, it is always through citizen video and community outrage. It’s never the partner, or other rank and file officers, or their superiors in the department that blow the whistle. Why? Maybe they remember Serpico? (NYPD \*still \*hates him.) Maybe they are afraid that if they talk, the other cops will no longer back them up. Because then they aren’t ‘brother officers’ anymore, but rats. No, cops let bad cops be bad cops ans protect them. And label anyone who opposes them criminals or criminal sympathizers. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11125 "2017-08-22T16:13:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Again, a slave fearing slave masters due to personally experienced brutality is both reasonable and not the same as slave masters fearing slaves. > > When over half of black people report personal mistreatment by law enforcement, it’s reasonable to expect that they might have less trust for law enforcement than others. > > It’s not the same as the reverse. There’s no comparable statistic for the reverse. Why are you bigoted against slave owners? Many of them were quite nice people, they were good to their families, to their neighbors, they went to church. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11126 "2017-08-22T16:23:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Again, a slave fearing slave masters due to personally experienced brutality is both reasonable and not the same as slave masters fearing slaves. > > When over half of black people report personal mistreatment by law enforcement, it’s reasonable to expect that they might have less trust for law enforcement than others. > > It’s not the same as the reverse. There’s no comparable statistic for the reverse. If you think all white people are the same as slave masters, you are bigoted. And no, it is not reasonable to fear any given cop is a criminal, any more than to assume any given black person is. To do so is literally, as in follows the exact definition of, prejudice. If over half of KKK members report mistreatment by black people in authority (and I guarantee you that, post-Obama, they would), it doesn’t mean they are not racist. It means they are prejudiced idiots. But hey, keep up with pretending it’s a false equivalency, or that minorities can’t be bigoted. It’s bullshit, if it’s wrong for one group to do it it’s wrong for another. And once again, give those who are risking their lives to make your life better _at minimum_ the same respect you would give any random person. It’s absurd that this is a controversial position, but that’s this board and it’s echo chamber for you. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11127 "2017-08-22T16:24:54Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > A few of them are criminals. And when they commit crimes, they get to write the reports and testify at trials and their versions of what they did become ‘fact’ unless a citizen happens to catch it on their phones. > > And the ones who aren’t criminals protect the ones who are. They become complicit, and that makes them criminals as well. > > Whenever bad cops get exposed as bad cops, it is always through citizen video and community outrage. It’s never the partner, or other rank and file officers, or their superiors in the department that blow the whistle. Why? Maybe they remember Serpico? (NYPD \*still \*hates him.) Maybe they are afraid that if they talk, the other cops will no longer back them up. Because then they aren’t ‘brother officers’ anymore, but rats. > > No, cops let bad cops be bad cops ans protect them. And label anyone who opposes them criminals or criminal sympathizers. Oh right, all cops do that. Bigot. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11128 "2017-08-22T16:26:48Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If you think all white people are the same as slave masters, you are bigoted. > > And no, it is not reasonable to fear any given cop is a criminal, any more than to assume any given black person is. To do so is literally, as in follows the exact definition of, prejudice. > > If over half of KKK members report mistreatment by black people in authority (and I guarantee you that, post-Obama, they would), it doesn’t mean they are not racist. It means they are prejudiced idiots. > > But hey, keep up with pretending it’s a false equivalency, or that minorities can’t be bigoted. It’s bullshit, if it’s wrong for one group to do it it’s wrong for another. > > And once again, give those who are risking their lives to make your life better _at minimum_ the same respect you would give any random person. It’s absurd that this is a controversial position, but that’s this board and it’s echo chamber for you. This doesn’t actually address what I said. You appear to be reading into my words things that I neither said nor intended. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11129 "2017-08-22T16:30:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The difference is, is if a muslim blows you up, they go to jail, if a homosexual molests your son (nice beginning that idea up, shows what school of bigotry you subscribe to), you can put that homosexual in jail. If a cop shoots you, then they get a paid vacation and their job back. I’m bisexual myself, you fucking bigoted idiot. One of the most common reasons homophobes give for their bigotry is that they conflate homosexuality with paedophilia. And cops who commit crimes go to jail. It happens, the ridiculous idea that it doesn’t is another left wing lie. > [@](#): > > That is the reason for a bit of mistrust of police in the interactions. They can legally make you life hell, or end it, just on a whim. Do any muslims or homossexuals have that legal ability? No, then your argument falls apart entirely. No, they cannot legally do that, and the vast majority of them do not do it, legally or otherwise. > [@](#): > > It is not that we treat cops poorly, it is that you expect us to treat cops as if they were untouchable gods, and us asking that they are treated the same as everyone else is what you call bigotry. Cops _are_ treated the same way as everyone else. They have the same right to form unions, the same laws apply to them, the same people investigate and try their alleged offences. And so on. What you and others want is a parallel system for them, one that would have the same effect. You could perhaps call it “separate but equal”, sounds catchy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11130 "2017-08-22T16:31:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This doesn’t actually address what I said. You appear to be reading into my words things that I neither said nor intended. He does that shit a LOT. I think I’m just gonna out his useless worthless sorry ass on Ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11131 "2017-08-22T16:35:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This doesn’t actually address what I said. You appear to be reading into my words things that I neither said nor intended. It directly addresses what you said. What you call “reasonable fear” is, by the literal definition of the word, prejudice. It _may_ be understandable from someone who has suffered harm from bad police officers in the past, just as I could understand a former POW from WWII hating the Japanese, for example. But people here espousing that fear and hate in supposedly reasonable discussion is absurd and dangerous, just as much as the alt-right is. Suggesting that not all police officers are literally evil, and that it’s silly to believe that they are, has got me called a fascist and mocked for considering myself a centrist. I’m not suggesting that you think that, but you are happily going along with those who do. Think about that next time you’re tempted to say that who doesn’t directly oppose the alt-right is as bad as one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11132 "2017-08-22T16:41:28Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Oh right, all cops do that. Bigot. I got facts on my side. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11133 "2017-08-22T16:44:31Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It directly addresses what you said. What you call “reasonable fear” is, by the literal definition of the word, prejudice. > > It _may_ be understandable from someone who has suffered harm from bad police officers in the past, just as I could understand a former POW from WWII hating the Japanese, for example. But people here espousing that fear and hate in supposedly reasonable discussion is absurd and dangerous, just as much as the alt-right is. > > Suggesting that not all police officers are literally evil, and that it’s silly to believe that they are, has got me called a fascist and mocked for considering myself a centrist. I’m not suggesting that you think that, but you are happily going along with those who do. Think about that next time you’re tempted to say that who doesn’t directly oppose the alt-right is as bad as one of them. For your first paragraph - no it doesn’t, and no it isn’t. Second - no, it’s not nearly as absurd and dangerous, even if such hyperbole can be counter productive. Third - I haven’t said that. Please try to respond to my exact words. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11134 "2017-08-22T16:47:03Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If you think all white people are the same as slave masters, you are bigoted. If you think that is what he said, then you are an idiot. > [@](#): > > And no, it is not reasonable to fear any given cop is a criminal, any more than to assume any given black person is. To do so is literally, as in follows the exact definition of, prejudice. It is not that you assume that any given cop is a criminal, it is that you know that any given cop can get away with criminal behavior that would get anyone else locked up. You do not fear them for what they may do, you fear them for what they can get away with. > [@](#): > > If over half of KKK members report mistreatment by black people in authority (and I guarantee you that, post-Obama, they would), it doesn’t mean they are not racist. It means they are prejudiced idiots. So you are saying that the entire history of authority being used to oppress and mistreat black people throughout the entire history of your country was just their own racist perception? My god what a stupid fuck you are. > [@](#): > > But hey, keep up with pretending it’s a false equivalency, or that minorities can’t be bigoted. It’s bullshit, if it’s wrong for one group to do it it’s wrong for another. That’s fucking pathetic. You are blaming a slave for being bigoted against his master? My god, you are so full of shit. > [@](#): > > And once again, give those who are risking their lives to make your life better _at minimum_ the same respect you would give any random person. It’s absurd that this is a controversial position, but that’s this board and it’s echo chamber for you. They are not risking their lives. Garbage men are risking their lives, fishermen are risking their lives, utility workers are risking their lives, arborists are risking their lives. Those jobs are far more dangerous than being a cop, and they don’t get to shirk their duties just because they are cowards. I have no problem with a cop doing his job, but when he is ill equipped to do his job, he puts the community in danger. He’s not risking his life, and he is not making my life better. I am willing to give a cop the same respect I would give another person, but I am not willing to bend over backwards to justify a police officer’s mistreatment of the public as you do. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11135 "2017-08-22T16:57:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > We don’t hate any police, just disapprove of their actions when they abuse their authority. We have some suggestions that may improve their relations with the community they are supposed to serve. > > That’s not hate. That’s not discrimination. Correct. It is not hate, nor discrimination, when “we” disapprove of [del]blacks[/del] police who commit crimes. Nor is it hate when we make suggestions that they would be better trusted if they committed fewer crimes. > [@](#): > > How often have you had “suggestions” for the black community or other minorities or marginalized demographics that would help them to improve their relationship with the greater community? One “suggestion” would be for [del]black people[/del] police to commit fewer crimes. That would improve the relationship of [del]black people, especially black males[/del] police with the greater community. > [@](#): > > Do you give those suggestions because you hate those minorities? No, of course not. Most [del]black people[/del] police are good, upstanding people. > [@](#): > > I can think of no other way that you can interpret “Stop killing and abusing the people that you are supposed to be serving and protecting” as hate than it being you assuming that others criticize out of the same hateful motivations as you do. > > Do you have another explanation as to why you keep insisting that any criticism is equal to hate? One explanation might be that I have never insisted that any criticism is hate. So there’s that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11136 "2017-08-22T16:58:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Correct. It is not hate, nor discrimination, when “we” disapprove of [del]blacks[/del] police who commit crimes. Nor is it hate when we make suggestions that they would be better trusted if they committed fewer crimes. > One “suggestion” would be for [del]black people[/del] police to commit fewer crimes. That would improve the relationship of [del]black people, especially black males[/del] police with the greater community. > No, of course not. Most [del]black people[/del] police are good, upstanding people. > One explanation might be that I have never insisted that any criticism is hate. So there’s that. > > Regards, > Shodan Could you do this strike through thing with slave masters, the KKK, and Nazi death camp guards too? Just so we see the extent of whatever point you’re trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11137 "2017-08-22T17:03:11Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m bisexual myself, you fucking bigoted idiot. One of the most common reasons homophobes give for their bigotry is that they conflate homosexuality with paedophilia. I had no idea or interest in yoursexuality, so calling me a bigot becuase I disagree with your claim that homosexuals molest kids is beyond your normal levels of stupidity. > [@](#): > > And cops who commit crimes go to jail. It happens, the ridiculous idea that it doesn’t is another left wing lie. We gonna re-do this discussion? We’ve pointed out numerous examples of cops that have committed crimes against their communities, and are not in jail, they’re not on probably, they even still have their jobs. > [@](#): > > No, they cannot legally do that, and the vast majority of them do not do it, legally or otherwise. You are saying that cops have no ability to use their judgement in applying the execution of the law? they most certainly do. A cop on a good day that likes you can let you slide for driving 25 mph over the speed limit. A cop on a bad day that doesn’t like you can violently arrest you and charge you with resisting arrest for just happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I would agree with you that, I at least hope that the majority do not do this, but the majority do in fact cover for those that do. > [@](#): > > Cops _are_ treated the same way as everyone else. They have the same right to form unions, the same laws apply to them, the same people investigate and try their alleged offences. And so on. What you and others want is a parallel system for them, one that would have the same effect. You could perhaps call it “separate but equal”, sounds catchy. You really are stupid if you haven’t learned anything in these threads. You do realize that the indictment rate of non-cops is 99%, and the indictment rate for cops is like 2%, right? That’s a pretty separate system. That’s pretty unequal treatment. I want the same treatment for them. Part of that treatment involves the other cops actually investigating their crime, as they would if I were the one suspected of committing it, rather than the cops helping to cover up and hide the crime. If you think that cops and civilians are treated anything the same, then you are beyond fucking delusional, and are just living in your own little fantasy world, because that is do disconnected from reality, even intentional ignorance does not explain it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11138 "2017-08-22T17:22:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > One explanation might be that I have never insisted that any criticism is hate. So there’s that. That’s a lie. A complete and utter fabrication on your part. You said, "They don’t hate all police - just the bad ones. Just because black people police commit so many crimes, and blacktivists union officials mispresent those crimes, and defend the black police criminals, is no reason to hate all black people police. Black people police need to do better. That’s all." using the word hate twice. Why did you lie and attribute hatred to the motivations of those who are criticizing the police? Then lie and insist that you never did it? > [@](#): > > Regards, > Shodan Pathetic. You are probably even lying about having regards. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11139 "2017-08-22T17:28:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Could you do this strike through thing with slave masters, the KKK, and Nazi death camp guards too? Just so we see the extent of whatever point you’re trying to make. How about if you address the point as it stands? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11140 "2017-08-22T17:30:13Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > That’s a lie. A complete and utter fabrication on your part. > > You said, "They don’t hate all police - just the bad ones. > > Just because black people police commit so many crimes, and blacktivists union officials mispresent those crimes, and defend the black police criminals, is no reason to hate all black people police. Black people police need to do better. That’s all." > > using the word hate twice. > > Why did you lie and attribute hatred to the motivations of those who are criticizing the police? Then lie and insist that you never did it? Have you suffered a recent head injury? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11141 "2017-08-22T17:37:00Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > How about if you address the point as it stands? > > Regards, > Shodan I don’t understand it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=556) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=558)