# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 568
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11342 "2017-09-03T18:22:44Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You explicitly denied earlier that one should actually have to have proof a cop was lying before disbelieving him when he’s on trial, that we should compensate alleged victims based solely on their word. No I didn’t, liar. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11343 "2017-09-03T21:21:54Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No I didn’t, liar. You should probably read your own posts, it would stop you looking quite so stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11344 "2017-09-03T21:31:44Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Which is why it is disturbing that police are using military tactics and equipment against their communities. They are creating an us vs them situation, which is why it is unsurprising that these abuses happen. Saying the police are using military tactics is ridiculous hyperbole. > [@](#): > > Ridiculously incorrect. If unions create and us vs them environment, it is that of employee vs management. Unions do not create a union vs public environment. The militarization and lack of accountability of police towards abuses in their community create that. As you say later, the bosses of the police are the public. It’s obvious that unions will create or exacerbate that divide. Unions also create a divide between workers and the government, workers and other, non-unionised workers, and between them and the public who see the unfairness they promote. This isn’t the 1920s, and worker’s rights are enshrined in law. The only valid function of a union these days is to ensure those rights are recognised, by funding legal action. > [@](#): > > That people protest police abuses, or criticize the police for abusing citizens and terrorizing communities is what ensures that the police maintain a us vs them mentality? Sound like the police that feel this way either need to stop being delicate snowflakes, or they need to get a different job. No, the people who protest against the police who are doing their jobs, and lump all police together as bad guys, are the ones who are causing or exacerbating that divide. There are several hundred, at minimum, posts in this thread doing just that. > [@](#): > > And that’s where you get really stupid(er). The police need to change, yes. The public, no. The police serve the public. If the public is not being served properly by the police, it is the police who need to change and serve the public properly, not the public who should accept corruption, abuse, and oppression in their neighborhoods by those “few bad apples”. Where a section of the public is lying about the police, or actually breaking the law, they need to change. Just as the police need to change when they are doing that. > [@](#): > > There is no one in this thread, and scarce few in real life who would advocate for not having police (yes, there are some stupid anarchist out there, and some may even have blogs, if they are the ones that you are actually refering to, go talk to them). So every time you make such a claim, you show once again just how stupid and dishonest you really are. Is it not this thread where **MrDibble** has explicitly said he’d prefer not to have any police? In one of these threads, **iiandyiiii** has said that having a police force does more harm than good to black communities. Apart from that, there are many people here who have disdain and disrespect for the police in general. They are entitled to that view, but the consequences of it are obvious, and obviously negative. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11345 "2017-09-03T21:38:19Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This is a tough issue. On the one hand, i support employee unions. A collective bargaining unit like a union strengthens the employees’ claims for better pay and working conditions. The contracts negotiated between unions and employers also often help to protect employees from arbitrary punishment or dismissal by supervisors who might have a personal animosity or an axe to grind or a favorite person that they want to promote. Those are not things that should apply to only some workers depending on the whims of a union, they should where necessary be legal requirements that apply to all workers. > [@](#): > > I’m a union member in a public sector union. I like having the union negotiating on my behalf, and i like knowing that i can call on the union if i feel i’ve been unfairly treated by my university. At the same time, though, there have been cases where the union has defended a faculty member who, in my opinion, did not really deserve being defended. Would you not rather be paid what you’re worth, not what a group of vaguely similar workers are assessed as being worth by a third party? The only reason to support collective bargaining is if you’re a crap worker who’s not worth what you are being paid, and not willing to improve to the point where you are. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure if there’s a good way to deal with these issues. It seems to me that there should be a mechanism whereby the union, in some circumstances, can come out and say, “We think this person’s conduct is so egregious that to defend it would be a violation of our public duty.” But of course, that creates problems of its own. It’s a tough issue, especially in the case of the police, because they have the power of life and death over the public they’re (supposed to be) serving. The answer is to enshrine the necessary worker’s protections in law, and prevent unions from adding any extra protections into contracts. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11346 "2017-09-03T21:46:19Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It’s not so much that the presence of the union creates abusive police, but that the strength of these unions, and the difficulty (in many cases) of terminating officers who abuse their power, tends to encourage abusive officers in their behavior. It also tends to discourage other police from speaking up against abuse because there is a culture of solidarity, and because the non-abusive cops know that, if they speak out, the person they testify against might not even lose his or her job, and the whistle-blower will then be subject to retaliation on the force. > > This is a tough issue. On the one hand, i support employee unions. A collective bargaining unit like a union strengthens the employees’ claims for better pay and working conditions. The contracts negotiated between unions and employers also often help to protect employees from arbitrary punishment or dismissal by supervisors who might have a personal animosity or an axe to grind or a favorite person that they want to promote. > > At the same time, though, unions often focus so heavily on protecting their members that they fail to fulfill their broader obligation to other stakeholders in their area of employment. A police union that protects violent and criminal officers from dismissal violates the public trust and abrogates its public responsibility. > > I’m a union member in a public sector union. I like having the union negotiating on my behalf, and i like knowing that i can call on the union if i feel i’ve been unfairly treated by my university. At the same time, though, there have been cases where the union has defended a faculty member who, in my opinion, did not really deserve being defended. > > I’m not sure if there’s a good way to deal with these issues. It seems to me that there should be a mechanism whereby the union, in some circumstances, can come out and say, “We think this person’s conduct is so egregious that to defend it would be a violation of our public duty.” But of course, that creates problems of its own. It’s a tough issue, especially in the case of the police, because they have the power of life and death over the public they’re (supposed to be) serving. One way, and I’ve kept bringing it up is, to stop treating these “just a few bad apples” as being only a disciplinary issue. Stop coddling them. Use the witnesses, testimony, and video to charge and convict them. I doubt the union could successfully reinstate a bad cop who was charged and convicted on a felony. If the union and its members try to have walk-out or a “bleu flu” over it, do what Reagan did to air traffic controllers - fire the lot of them and start anew. Surprisingly, walkouts and blue flu’s in the past did NOT result in all the scary bullshit that is always predicted. In the meanwhile more should be done to retain, promote, and otherwise reward the good cops. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11347 "2017-09-03T22:07:25Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You should probably read your own posts, it would stop you looking quite so stupid. Quote me or fuck off, you pathetic lying piece of shit. Jesus Christ, grow some fucking dignity. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11348 "2017-09-03T22:41:35Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Quote me or fuck off, you pathetic lying piece of shit. Jesus Christ, grow some fucking dignity. You really are a special kind of stupid. It’s not me who looks undignified here… ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11349 "2017-09-03T22:47:27Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > One way, and I’ve kept bringing it up is, to stop treating these “just a few bad apples” as being only a disciplinary issue. Stop coddling them. Use the witnesses, testimony, and video to charge and convict them. > I doubt the union could successfully reinstate a bad cop who was charged and convicted on a felony. > If the union and its members try to have walk-out or a “bleu flu” over it, do what Reagan did to air traffic controllers - fire the lot of them and start anew. The problem with that is that many of the bad cops aren’t necessarily breaking the law, or at least can’r be proven to a criminal standard to be so. It shouldn’t take a criminal conviction to get rid of an employee who’s breaking the rules, the two things should be separate - and that applies to every worker, not just the police. And the unions are responsible for the contracts that would prevent the mass firing of cops for such a walkout. You’d need to weaken the union first, then change the contract. Unless you want to abolish contracts of employment as well… > [@](#): > > In the meanwhile more should be done to retain, promote, and otherwise reward the good cops. Agreed. It’d be great to be able to do that, but unions prevent it. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11350 "2017-09-03T22:52:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You really are a special kind of stupid. It’s not me who looks undignified here… So…you’re utterly unable to back up anything you claim I said? Of course not, you’re a lying sack of shit. I presume your parents raised you better; you should call them and apologize for what you’ve turned into. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11351 "2017-09-03T22:54:37Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > So…you’re utterly unable to back up anything you claim I said? Of course not, you’re a lying sack of shit. I presume your parents raised you better; you should call them and apologize for what you’ve turned into. Keep digging. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11352 "2017-09-03T23:11:06Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Keep digging. OK, lickspittle. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11353 "2017-09-04T13:18:12Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Soldiers are carefully trained to have each other’s backs, and to see conflict as an “us v them” situation, for obvious reasons. It’s unsurprising - though obviously unacceptable - that these abuses happen. > > Unions exist precisely to create that “us v them” environment I don’t see the union as the problem, though - the cop environment itself breeds “us vs them” mentalities, whether the cops are unionized or not. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11354 "2017-09-04T15:40:20Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > In one of these threads, **iiandyiiii** has said that having a police force does more harm than good to black communities. Cite for this, please. I’m pretty sure I did not say this. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11355 "2017-09-04T16:03:30Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Those are not things that should apply to only some workers depending on the whims of a union, they should where necessary be legal requirements that apply to all workers. I happen to agree with you, but the likelihood of that happening in the land of the free is vanishingly small, so i’ll take the protection of the union when i can get it. > [@Steophan](#): > > Would you not rather be paid what you’re worth, not what a group of vaguely similar workers are assessed as being worth by a third party? The only reason to support collective bargaining is if you’re a crap worker who’s not worth what you are being paid, and not willing to improve to the point where you are. This is fucking idiotic in all sorts of ways, and reflects a stunning ignorance of both history and current reality. > [@Steophan](#): > > The answer is to enshrine the necessary worker’s protections in law, and prevent unions from adding any extra protections into contracts. I agree about enshrining more protections into law, but i don’t see the need to prevent unions from negotiating particular agreements with employers. > [@SteveG1](#): > > One way, and I’ve kept bringing it up is, to stop treating these “just a few bad apples” as being only a disciplinary issue. Stop coddling them. Use the witnesses, testimony, and video to charge and convict them. > I doubt the union could successfully reinstate a bad cop who was charged and convicted on a felony. > If the union and its members try to have walk-out or a “bleu flu” over it, do what Reagan did to air traffic controllers - fire the lot of them and start anew. > > Surprisingly, walkouts and blue flu’s in the past did NOT result in all the scary bullshit that is always predicted. > > In the meanwhile more should be done to retain, promote, and otherwise reward the good cops. I agree, although there have been instances of police behavior over recent years that (should) have been bad enough to warrant termination, but are not actually felonies. We need better mechanisms to enforce not just the law, but the rules by which police are supposed to abide while working. One possible solution, i guess, is to give more police rules the force of law. That is, if something is currently just a rules violation, but is considered important enough that it could compromise police integrity, then make it a misdemeanor or a felony instead. Some will complain that this is unfair on the police, but we allow them to play by different rules from the rest of us when it comes to things like using force and firing weapons, so i think it’s only fair that we hold them to a higher standard all around. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11356 "2017-09-04T16:11:15Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I happen to agree with you, but the likelihood of that happening in the land of the free is vanishingly small, so i’ll take the protection of the union when i can get it. This is fucking idiotic in all sorts of ways, and reflects a stunning ignorance of both history and current reality.I agree about enshrining more protections into law, but i don’t see the need to prevent unions from negotiating particular agreements with employers. > I agree, although there have been instances of police behavior over recent years that (should) have been bad enough to warrant termination, but are not actually felonies. We need better mechanisms to enforce not just the law, but the rules by which police are supposed to abide while working. > > One possible solution, i guess, is to give more police rules the force of law. That is, if something is currently just a rules violation, but is considered important enough that it could compromise police integrity, then make it a misdemeanor or a felony instead. Some will complain that this is unfair on the police, but we allow them to play by different rules from the rest of us when it comes to things like using force and firing weapons, so i think it’s only fair that we hold them to a higher standard all around. You can’t hold the cops to a higher standard. That is racist to to do things to them because they belong to that group. The regular laws that apply to everyone will sort it out.🤢👹💩 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11357 "2017-09-04T18:13:19Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > You can’t hold the cops to a higher standard. That is racist to to do things to them because they belong to that group. The regular laws that apply to everyone will sort it out.������������������ 'cept that isn’t how law works. If you dig about you will come across laws holding people who hold a position of influence and authority being held to higher standards, e.g. a teacher who has sex with their minor student who is over the age of sexual consent over whom the teacher holds a position of influence and authority. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11358 "2017-09-04T21:06:01Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > 'cept that isn’t how law works. > > If you dig about you will come across laws holding people who hold a position of influence and authority being held to higher standards, e.g. a teacher who has sex with their minor student who is over the age of sexual consent over whom the teacher holds a position of influence and authority. I was being sarcastic with my post. We have a D-bag who polishes cops guns that doesn’t think there needs to be extra laws that make cops different than regular people. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11359 "2017-09-04T21:45:18Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Bullshit. I want to get rid of the bad ones, but unlike you and others I both understand the steps needed to do this, and understand that **1) it’s not an issue limited to the police, but in all unionised public service jobs**. > > The rather tragically amusing thing is this thread is full of occasions when bad cops were fired, people were compensated for the harm done to them, and even the worst cops going to jail when it can actually be proved that they were criminal. Unlike most people posting here, 2) I actually require that people (cops or otherwise) are proved guilty before being punished. > > Also, 3) looking the other way when someone commits a crime isn’t a conspiracy, in the vast amount of cases it’s not even a crime. I would be hesitant to suggest it should be a crime, there could be a huge amount of dangerous unintended consequences, but it probably should be department policy not to do it. I wonder how the unions feel about that… > > Those people deserve respect too. 4) There’s a big difference though - farmers and fishermen aren’t at risk from people actively out to harm them, and people like you aren’t trying to make that risk much greater. > > You like those guys are incapable of reading for, comprehension. 1. Bullshit. It has fuck all to do with ALL unionized public service jobs, so stop fucking lying. It IS limited to the fucking police, because their bad apples are the fucking problem. 2. When there are witnesses, a dead body, and enough evidence for the Feds to get involved, what the fuck kind of evidence do you need? And when the police departments themselves have official records of the “excessive force” guys acting besides. 3. Looking the other way, failing to properly report it, lying to the judge, and planting or hiding evidence to cover your buddies IS conspiracy. People go to jail for CONSPIRACY. 4. Farmers and fishermen are not the ones killing people or “just” framing or maiming them. And finally, enough with this “respeck da po-leece”. Respeck mah authoritayh! They need to show courtesy and respect TOO. If they won’t, get another job. > **[Former L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca Found Guilty of Orchestrating Scheme to...](https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/former-la-county-sheriff-lee-baca-found-guilty-orchestrating-scheme-obstruct-federal)** > > Former Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca was found guilty today of leading a conspiracy to obstruct justice by overseeing a scheme designed to impede a federal investigation into corruption and civil rights abuses at county jail facilities. > [@](#): > > Former L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca Found Guilty of Orchestrating Scheme to Obstruct Federal Investigation into Jails > > LOS ANGELES – Former Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca was found guilty today of leading a conspiracy to obstruct justice by overseeing a scheme designed to impede a federal investigation into corruption and civil rights abuses at county jail facilities. > **[3 Chicago Officers Charged With Conspiracy in Laquan McDonald Case (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/chicago-officers-indicted-laquan-mcdonald-shooting.html)** > > They are accused of covering up for Jason Van Dyke, a white officer who fatally shot Mr. McDonald, a black teenager, in 2014. > [@](#): > > 3 Chicago Officers Charged With Conspiracy in Laquan McDonald Case > > Three longtime police officers were charged on Tuesday in connection with the death of Laquan McDonald, the black teenager whose fatal shooting in 2014 at the hands of a white Chicago officer ignited intense scrutiny over police conduct and transparency. > > Unlike the officers accused in a series of police shooting trials that have unfolded around the country in recent weeks, those charged here did not fire their weapons. Their crimes, prosecutors said, stemmed from their actions after the shooting. The three officers, two of whom have since left the force, are accused of covering up for Jason Van Dyke, the police officer who fired the lethal shots that night, in an effort to protect him from being investigated and charged, court documents show. So no, you stupid fascist bastard, you are wrong. ALL the way around. So kindly shut your damn pie hole. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11360 "2017-09-04T21:46:44Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > A key part of the solution is to mandate truly independent police review commissions that hold real power. All too often, that review has to be done at the federal level, after it is too late and someone (or several someones) was wronglly killed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11361 "2017-09-04T21:48:11Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > I was being sarcastic with my post. We have a D-bag who polishes cops guns that doesn’t think there needs to be extra laws that make cops different than regular people. Yeah, this douche nozzle we got here talks like there should be NO standards for police, they only standard is how subservient their victims should be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=567) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=569)