# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 632
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12622 "2018-01-20T03:30:42Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Baltimore: > > [Baltimore Cops Caught Turning Off Body Cameras Before ‘Finding’ Drugs](https://www.thedailybeast.com/baltimore-cops-turned-off-body-cameras-before-finding-drugs) > > New Orleans: > > [Officer involved in Monday shooting had body cam turned off](http://www.fox8live.com/story/26283883/officer-involved-in-monday-shooting-had-body-cam-turned-off) > > Minneapolis: > > [Questions over why Minnesota cops had body cameras off during shooting of Australian woman | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/18/questions-over-why-minnesota-cops-had-body-cameras-off-during-shooting-australian-woman.html) > > Albuquerque: > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/a-cop-fires-a-teen-dies-yet-six-police-body-cameras-somehow-miss-what-happens/2017/03/20/c7d801a8-0824-11e7-b77c-0047d15a24e0\_story.html?utm\_term=.7d648df97640](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/a-cop-fires-a-teen-dies-yet-six-police-body-cameras-somehow-miss-what-happens/2017/03/20/c7d801a8-0824-11e7-b77c-0047d15a24e0_story.html?utm_term=.7d648df97640) > > Chicago: > > [A Chicago Police Officer's Body Camera Turned Off During a Fatal Shooting - The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/08/chicago-shooting/493997/) We were talking about DC, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12623 "2018-01-20T03:33:14Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > In case **Damuri** didn’t click on the link: > > Emphasis mine. ‘Political Calculations’ means ‘we fucked up and don’t want anyone to know what\* really\* happened’. Show me a similar cite for DC and I might click on it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12624 "2018-01-20T03:35:31Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It was an answer to a question, with a cite. It’s in this thread. You don’t want to look in the thread for it, then don’t. I don’t give a fuck either way. That makes two of us. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12625 "2018-01-20T03:40:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20730167&postcount=36286](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20730167&postcount=36286) Wait, that’s not even in this fucking thread. You saying that SteveG1 is busting my chops over something someone said in a thread I don’t participate in? Wow! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12626 "2018-01-20T06:10:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > We were talking about DC, remember? We’re limiting the discussion to only your hypothetical? [You still lose.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-body-camera-study-finds-complaints-against-officers-did-not-drop/2017/10/20/4ff35838-b42f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.e3b3e6c17240) > [@WaPo Article](#): > > In one incident in the District, an officer did not turn on his camera before he fatally shot an unarmed motorcyclist in a case that has angered the victim’s family and friends. The D.C. police union says it will push for a new device that turns on body cameras when an officer removes a gun from the holster. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12627 "2018-01-20T15:07:49Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Someone was asking about where this more aggressive, combative _“bulletproof warrior cop”_ idea was coming from. I can’t be bothered to go back and look for it again. You go look. FYR, “Bulletproof Warrior” has been discontinued. It is now called “[Interaction & Influence](http://www.startribune.com/officer-in-castile-case-attended-bulletproof-warrior-training/386717431/)”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12628 "2018-01-20T19:52:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > FYR, “Bulletproof Warrior” has been discontinued. It is now called “[Interaction & Influence](http://www.startribune.com/officer-in-castile-case-attended-bulletproof-warrior-training/386717431/)”. So it’s the same people “teaching” the same thing, but with a different name attached to it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12629 "2018-01-24T20:25:12Z")
Did we miss [this one from Virginia](https://apnews.com/f2f6fa62f5d042a9ad21dda17ba3306d/Fatal-shooting-by-law-officers-in-Virginia-is-shown-in-video)? It’s in the news right now because of the release of the dashcam video. > [@](#): > > Police on Wednesday released a dashboard video showing the fatal shooting of a driver at the end of a car chase on a northern Virginia highway. > > Lawyers for the driver’s family say provides clear evidence that police overreacted by drawing and firing their weapons without cause. > > Bijan Ghaisar, 25, of McLean, died after the Nov. 17 chase, in which he was shot by U.S. Park Police. Authorities say Ghaisar fled after being involved in a crash on the George Washington Parkway. The FBI is now investigating the shooting. > [@](#): > > The four-minute nighttime video shows a chase beginning in the parkway, then turning into a residential neighborhood. It shows the car driven by Ghaisar stopping twice during the chase, and officers approaching the car with guns drawn. In both cases, Ghaisar drives off. > At the third and final stop, officers with guns drawn approach the car at the driver side door. When the car starts to move again, five gunshots are heard. The car starts to drift into a ditch, and two more sets of two gunshots are heard. > [@](#): > > “Bijan Ghaisar was repeatedly threatened by over-aggressive and out-of-control law enforcement officers, after he drove away from a minor traffic incident in which he was the victim and in which there was little property damage and no known injuries,” the lawyers said. “No one was even close to being in harm’s way until a pair of U.S. Park Police officers repeatedly shot Bijan at close range as he sat, unarmed, in his Jeep on a residential street.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12630 "2018-01-24T21:03:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did we miss [this one from Virginia](https://apnews.com/f2f6fa62f5d042a9ad21dda17ba3306d/Fatal-shooting-by-law-officers-in-Virginia-is-shown-in-video)? It’s in the news right now because of the release of the dashcam video. I came here to post this one. In my opinion, [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=T1DfM9DSxgY) looked more like an execution with 4 shots to the head than police trying to protect themselves, but I am sure they will get off without charges filed. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12631 "2018-01-24T22:25:06Z")
I expect the cops to say they were protecting themselves from a deadly weapon (the car), but the video clearly shows that wasn’t the case. Sure, the bozo didn’t pull over and stop, but that doesn’t mean the cops should act as judge, jury and executioner on the spot. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12632 "2018-01-26T12:59:58Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > And then there was the Sean Bell shooting. Four cops shot 100 times into a car. They were all standing within (probably less than) 30 feet of the vehicle, yet 50 of the shots missed the auto entirely. One of the strays hit the LIRR railroad station a half mile away. Eyes closed? ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12633 "2018-01-26T15:27:27Z")
[FBI agent shoots the abducted instead of the kidnappers in Clothahump’s hometown](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-houston-kidnapping/fbi-agent-fatally-shoots-kidnap-victim-during-rescue-operation-idUSKBN1FF19G). And the victim was bound at the time :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12634 "2018-01-26T16:07:06Z")
It looked like he was struggling with the ropes to reach for a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12635 "2018-01-26T17:20:19Z")
Alternately-The victim had a crazed look in his eyes, and the Fibbie thought he was high on Angel Dust? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12636 "2018-01-26T17:24:42Z")
Alternatively #2- What do they call the FBI agent who graduates last in his class? An FBI Agent. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12637 "2018-01-26T17:45:54Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > [FBI agent shoots the abducted instead of the kidnappers in Clothahump’s hometown](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-houston-kidnapping/fbi-agent-fatally-shoots-kidnap-victim-during-rescue-operation-idUSKBN1FF19G). > And the victim was bound at the time :smack: If you kill the hostage, then the hostage takers no longer have any leverage, so you can take them without any further violence. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12638 "2018-01-26T17:59:26Z")
I guess he saw SPEED one too many times. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12639 "2018-01-26T18:05:03Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > [FBI agent shoots the abducted instead of the kidnappers in Clothahump’s hometown](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-houston-kidnapping/fbi-agent-fatally-shoots-kidnap-victim-during-rescue-operation-idUSKBN1FF19G). > And the victim was bound at the time :smack: Note that in this case, the agents knew that the hostage was male and that the only other adult present, the woman “guarding” him, was female. So going in they knew “Man=do not shoot.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12640 "2018-01-26T19:41:59Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Note that in this case, the agents knew that the hostage was male and that the only other adult present, the woman “guarding” him, was female. So going in they knew “Man=do not shoot.” How do you expect them to tell the gender of a person when they are tied up? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12641 "2018-01-27T12:21:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > How do you expect them to tell the gender of a person when they are tied up? Offer them a refreshing soft drink. When they finish, grab the can and get it to the lab for prints and DNA. I’ve seen this in various documentaries. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=631) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=633)