# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 639
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12762 "2018-02-26T00:39:07Z")
Their job is to catch bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12763 "2018-02-26T01:19:40Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Their job is to catch bad guys. Sorry, I forgot. Let the crime happen, kill an unarmed black guy, maybe solve crime and go home. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12764 "2018-02-26T02:02:04Z")
Collars and citations are enumerable. The good will type gestures may get logged (like the time a state trooper gave me a jump-start on the freeway at 4am) but they do not get allocated to an officer’s positive production tally the way busting bad guys does. The good will actions of police could improve their work environment, because people who do not instinctively think “_Oh, there’s a cop, what did I do wrong?_” are going to be more helpful and pleasant to be around. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12765 "2018-02-26T17:34:57Z")
So I guess we can dispense with the ‘protect and serve’ bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12766 "2018-02-26T21:12:12Z")
[Third grader shoots officer’s holstered gun](https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/05/maplewood-police-officers-gun-fires-at-school-no-injuries-reported/). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12767 "2018-02-26T22:18:34Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > So I guess we can dispense with the ‘protect and serve’ bullshit. Yes. Get rid of that useless phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12768 "2018-03-01T16:28:42Z")
[7 San Francisco Cops fire 65 shots, hit…nothing](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/7-san-francisco-police-officers-fired-65-shots-at-murder-suspect/ar-BBJHGtq) > [@](#): > > Seven San Francisco police officers fired 65 bullets at an RV and arrested a murder suspect during a tense standoff in mid-February, CBS SF Bay Area reports. The seven police officers had their body cameras rolling the whole time. > [@](#): > > According to the police report released Tuesday night, seven officers fired 65 shots. The suspect fired two shots. That’s a total of 67 shots and nobody was hit. Was one of them [Terry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h4-rLCQaU0)? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12769 "2018-03-05T19:11:36Z")
There are billions of dollars out there that are just _getting away_. It is Eric fucking Holder’s fault. Bo-Bo [is going to fix that](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-greenlights-police-to-increase-seizures-of-cash-and-property-from-suspected-criminals/2017/07/19/3522a9ba-6c99-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html), by freeing up the police to do more of that Civil Asset Forfeiture stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12770 "2018-03-05T19:43:32Z")
Morons worried about losing their guns, which will never, ever happen. Meanwhile, say goodbye to the rest of your stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12771 "2018-03-05T19:50:04Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Morons worried about losing their guns, which will never, ever happen. Meanwhile, say goodbye to the rest of your stuff. Can’t we worry about both? I can worry about a lot of politicians and policies at the same time. I think asset forfeiture is an abomination. Fascist _might_ be too strong a word, but Sessions is definitely a rigid authoritarian, which doesn’t bother Trump at all. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12772 "2018-03-05T20:10:39Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Can’t we worry about both? I can worry about a lot of politicians and policies at the same time. I think asset forfeiture is an abomination. Fascist _might_ be too strong a word, but Sessions is definitely a rigid authoritarian, which doesn’t bother Trump at all. Actually, why worry? That’s why we have all those guns, right? To fight those rigid authoritarians who are taking our stuff without even being convicted of a crime. Yay 2nd Amendment! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12773 "2018-03-07T22:40:46Z")
Meanwhile, … The New York Police Department has been using dismissal probation, the practice of putting an officer on probation for a year while retaining full pay, to keep even the most extreme wrongdoers on the force. … from 2011 to 2015 at least 319 New York Police Department employees who committed offenses serious enough to merit firing were allowed to keep their jobs. … Many of the [319] officers [who kept their jobs via dismissal probation from 2011-15] lied, cheated, stole, or assaulted New York City residents. At least fifty employees lied on official reports, under oath, or during an internal affairs investigation. Thirty-eight were found guilty by a police tribunal of excessive force, getting into a fight, or firing their gun unnecessarily. Fifty-seven were guilty of driving under the influence. Seventy-one were guilty of ticket-fixing. One officer, Jarrett Dill, threatened to kill someone. Another, Roberson Tunis, sexually harassed and inappropriately touched a fellow officer. Some were guilty of lesser offenses, like mouthing off to a supervisor. At least two dozen of these employees worked in schools. Andrew Bailey was found guilty of touching a female student on the thigh and kissing her on the cheek while she was sitting in his car. In a school parking lot, while he was supposed to be on duty, Lester Robinson kissed a woman, removed his shirt, and began to remove his pants. And Juan Garcia, while off duty, illegally sold prescription medication to an undercover officer. … During his first six years on the force, officer Raymond Marrero was accused of viciously beating one person, falsely arresting another, assaulting a third, and fabricating evidence against a fourth. … All told, by 2014, the city had paid about $900,000 to settle accusations against officer Marrero. Publicly, neither he nor the city admitted any wrongdoing. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12774 "2018-03-07T23:56:08Z")
[cited that for you](https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/secret-nypd-files-hundreds-of-officers-committed-serious?utm_term=.wiK2Wm0Bx#.qqZ3DlP8W) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12775 "2018-03-09T15:21:58Z")
[Asheville police officer resigns after beating and choking suspected jaywalker](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/asheville-police-officer-resigns-after-beating-and-choking-suspected-jaywalker/ar-BBK2S4i) > [@](#): > > “I beat the s— out of his head,” Hickman says. “Not gonna lie about that.” Lot of cops there for a jaywalker. And really, who gives a rat’s ass about jaywalking at 4 AM?? Who among us hasn’t jaywalked? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12776 "2018-03-09T17:08:08Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Asheville police officer resigns after beating and choking suspected jaywalker](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/asheville-police-officer-resigns-after-beating-and-choking-suspected-jaywalker/ar-BBK2S4i) > > Lot of cops there for a jaywalker. And really, who gives a rat’s ass about jaywalking at 4 AM?? Who among us hasn’t jaywalked? The office involved resigned: [North Carolina police officer faces charges after beating, choking and tasing suspected jaywalker](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/asheville-police-taser-jaywalking/index.html) One thing I found unusual about this case is the police chief was oddly forthcoming about it all instead of the usual insistence that it was all the fault of the suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12777 "2018-03-09T17:57:10Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The office involved resigned: > > [North Carolina police officer faces charges after beating, choking and tasing suspected jaywalker](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/asheville-police-taser-jaywalking/index.html) > > One thing I found unusual about this case is the police chief was oddly forthcoming about it all instead of the usual insistence that it was all the fault of the suspect. Two reasons, I can suppose: 1. There was video. It’s much harder to circle the wagons and deny what happened when there is video. 2. Even the chief must see that beating up someone is extraordinarily harsh treatment for jaywalking. Especially when the officer gives incriminating play-by-play as it’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12778 "2018-03-20T21:14:49Z")
Well, at least one fool is busted. Maybe. [http://kstp.com/news/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-shooting-minneapolis-decision-/4833117/](http://kstp.com/news/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-shooting-minneapolis-decision-/4833117/) Now-former Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor was charged Tuesday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter for fatally shooting Justine Damond last July. "Noor turned himself in late Tuesday morning and is being held at the Hennepin County Jail on $500,000 bail. … According to the criminal complaint filed against him, prosecutors say at the time of the shooting Noor neither investigated nor confirmed a threat “that justified the decision to use deadly force.” The complaint also states Noor “recklessly fired his handgun” when he shot Damond, leaving her with her hands on a gunshot wound to the left side of her abdomen, saying “I’m dying” or “I’m dead.” “To lose a family member to violence is always wrenching and painful,” Hennepin County Mike Freeman said at a press conference discussing the charges Tuesday afternoon. “But to lose one when she was acting as a concerned and caring citizen, at the hands of a person she had called for help, is inexplicable.” > **[Justine Damond shooting: police officer Mohamed Noor charged with murder](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/20/justine-damond-shooting-police-officer-mohamed-noor-charged)** > > Australian woman was killed in July 2017 after calling police to report a possible sexual assault Justine Damond shooting: police officer Mohamed Noor charged with murder Officer Mohamed Noor turned himself in on Tuesday after a warrant was issued for his arrest in the death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond. Damond was shot on 15 July, minutes after she called 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home. … A policeman who was with Noor at the time of the shooting, Matthew Harrity, told investigators he was startled by a loud noise right before Damond approached the driver’s side window of their police SUV. Harrity, who was driving, said Noor then fired his weapon from the passenger seat. Damond died of a gunshot wound to the abdomen. The officers did not turn on their body cameras until after the shooting, and there was no squad camera video of the incident. The lack of video was widely criticized, and Damond’s family members were among the many people who called for changes in procedure, including how often officers are required to turn on their cameras. > **[Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor turns himself in on murder,...](https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-mohamed-noor-turns-himself-in-on-charges-in-justine-damond-killing/477405923/)** > > "No charges can bring our Justine back," her family said. …Freeman told reporters that the case “would’ve been done much quicker” if some of Noor’s fellow officers had agreed to cooperate with investigators, prompting his decision to convene a grand jury. He said that some officers, including police Chief Medaria Arradondo, came in voluntarily to testify before the grand jury. … “I’ve been privileged to have this job nearly 18 years and I’ve never had police officers who weren’t suspects refuse to do their duty and come talk to us,” Freeman said. … ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12779 "2018-03-20T22:49:46Z")
Another civilian gets messed up by a cop who is not following the rules. Hopefully the guy comes out of his coma. > **[Detroit cop shouldn't have been working as bouncer, Craig says](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/20/detroit-cop-bouncer-ottava-via/441399002/)** > > 11th Precinct commander accused of putting unruly Corktown bar patron in a coma ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12780 "2018-03-21T19:28:39Z")
[Sacramento police shoot and kill black man in his own backyard after mistaking cellphone for weapon](http://www.newsweek.com/police-shoot-and-kill-black-22-year-old-his-own-backyard-after-mistaking-854910) The police were scared so they shot him 20 times. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/12781 "2018-03-21T20:00:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Sacramento police shoot and kill black man in his own backyard after mistaking cellphone for weapon](http://www.newsweek.com/police-shoot-and-kill-black-22-year-old-his-own-backyard-after-mistaking-854910) > > The police were scared so they shot him 20 times. Dead men can’t dispute the story of the shooters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=638) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=640)