# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1261 "2015-03-20T02:18:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Well, [here](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=1158182&postcount=6)’s the first obvious one where he makes it clear that he doesn’t give a shit about racism towards white people. Just read that whole thread if you’re bored, it’ll tell you a great deal about **Dibble**. And me, but I doubt you’ll need too much more evidence that I can be an abrasive cunt when provoked. [Moderating] Let’s keep the discussion focused on things he’s said on this board, please. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1262 "2015-03-20T02:34:07Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > That’s something I’ve said all along. However, some people seem to think that, despite someone neither saying or doing anything racist, they can read some sort of “code” that says they actually are. > > I’m glad to see you disagree with that sort of thinking, and will now take people at their word when they say they’re not racist. Especially if their deeds match that. That’s pretty much the opposite of what I said. I’m going to judge whether you are being racist based on what you say. Racism is not something that most people admit to, so if you say racist things, then I’m going to use my brain and I’m definitely not going to take your word for it. And good job with those scare quotes around “code” as if that’s some kind of outlandish notion. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1263 "2015-03-20T02:37:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m about as concerned about racism towards whites as I am with anti-straight discrimination - it happens, but whatever consideration it gets should be included with concerns about prejudice in general, they don’t need their own movement or whatever. It’s foolish to be “as concerned.” On a personal level, I am not going to associate with people who show any kind of bigotry. On a societal level, I’m not going to get excited about anti-white racism in my country, because as a practical matter, it really doesn’t matter. Maybe someday it will, but as of today, people complaining about anti-white racism not getting enough attention are really just try to distract people from real problems. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1264 "2015-03-20T02:38:55Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s pretty much the opposite of what I said. I’m going to judge whether you are being racist based on what you say. Racism is not something that most people admit to, so if you say racist things, then I’m going to use my brain and I’m definitely not going to take your word for it. > > And good job with those scare quotes around “code” as if that’s some kind of outlandish notion. It is a ridiculous notion, and that’s the point. Racism is discriminating against someone, and that’s not something you can do in code, it’s an action you have to take towards them, or encourage others to do. There’s a difference between using your brain, and deciding that someone who’s not actually saying or doing anything racist must, nevertheless, be racist because you’ve interpreted it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1265 "2015-03-20T02:41:27Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s foolish to be “as concerned.” On a personal level, I am not going to associate with people who show any kind of bigotry. You won’t be associating with a great many people then. Most people have some prejudices, whether conscious or unconscious. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1266 "2015-03-20T02:42:23Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It is a ridiculous notion, and that’s the point. Racism is discriminating against someone No, that’s not the only thing it is. > [@](#): > > and that’s not something you can do in code, it’s an action you have to take towards them, or encourage others to do. That’s just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Of course you can do it in code. In fact, doing it in code is the most effective way to do it. > [@](#): > > There’s a difference between using your brain, and deciding that someone who’s not actually saying or doing anything racist must, nevertheless, be racist because you’ve interpreted it that way. This sentence makes no sense. If I’ve interpreted it as racist, then he or she has said or done something racist, regardless of whether he says “I’m gonna do this racist thing now.” ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1267 "2015-03-20T02:42:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > people complaining about anti-white racism not getting enough attention are really just try to distract people from real problems. Oh, and that was kinda my point - but if a particular individual has suffered from it, it’s a real problem to them. But it needs to be treated as an individual problem, not a major societal issue. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1268 "2015-03-20T02:46:39Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > If I’ve interpreted it as racist, then he or she has said or done something racist Or, you know, you’re wrong, and full of shit. Which is at least as likely as anything else. Discrimination is an _action_, not an abstract concept. You said you don’t care what’s in someone’s secret heart, so you shouldn’t care if someone has thoughts of being racist but doesn’t act on them. Of course, you do, because you do actually care what people think, not what they do, because you’ve decided already that only your interpretations are valid, and that you can know what someone thinks even if it’s the opposite of the way the act or speak. That’s why this “code” thing is bollocks. Because even if someone says or does nothing racist, if they don’t use the particular jargon you’ve deemed acceptable, they are racist - and hence you won’t associate with them. Not that I imagine that’s much of a punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1269 "2015-03-20T03:05:59Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Or, you know, you’re wrong, and full of shit. Which is at least as likely as anything else. Discrimination is an _action_, not an abstract concept. You said you don’t care what’s in someone’s secret heart, so you shouldn’t care if someone has thoughts of being racist but doesn’t act on them. If they have said something that I have interpreted as racist, then they have done something racist. That’s the way reality works. You don’t wait for someone to admit to being racist, because only crazy people do that. You’re treating “interpretation” as if it’s something outlandish and unfair. Everything anyone says has to be interpreted in order to be understood. That’s how human communication works. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1270 "2015-03-20T03:19:49Z")
The problem is that you are not the sole arbiter of what is or isn’t racist, and your interpretation isn’t gospel. You could be misunderstanding (intentionally or otherwise), for one thing. But if your view is that if anyone says anything that could possibly be construed as racist, then they are obviously and completely racist, then you’re as much of an idiot as **Dibble** , who sees more racists than a John Bircher saw commies. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1271 "2015-03-20T03:20:07Z")
**Steophan** , it looks bad that you won’t take Dibble at his word that he’s no racist, but you require that your word be taken that you aren’t a racist. Shoot, it’s almost like you are lacking self-awareness on this issue. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1272 "2015-03-20T03:26:39Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > **Steophan** , it looks bad that you won’t take Dibble at his word that he’s no racist, but you require that your word be taken that you aren’t a racist. Shoot, it’s almost like you are lacking self-awareness on this issue. 🙂 Then you misunderstand what I’m doing. I’m applying his standard to him, and he doesn’t like it. It’s not me that needs some self-awareness. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1273 "2015-03-20T04:44:43Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Well, [here](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=1158182&postcount=6)’s the first obvious one where he makes it clear that he doesn’t give a shit about racism towards white people. Forgot which board we’re on, did we? And a Pit thread where I’m clearly poking at your racist ass with a stick is a wonderfully cite :rolleyes: Liar. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1274 "2015-03-20T04:48:44Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > But that, to **Dibble** , makes me almost Hitler. No, it’s defending racists by stalking me and leaping out every time I call them on it (but never calling them on their racist shit even though you admit you read it) that makes you a racist. And you _wish_ your racist-lite ass was like Hitler - you’re more like a _Sonderkommando_. A useful idiot to the other racists on this board, all the while convinced of your own martyrdom. And a liar. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1275 "2015-03-20T04:57:18Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Then you misunderstand what I’m doing. I’m applying his standard to him, and he doesn’t like it. I don’t particularly care for the fact that you have to lie about me to do it, but I expect most people here will consider the source and dismiss your view of who is and isn’t a racist, the same way they dismiss your views of who is or isn’t a “thug” deserving of summary execution by crazy people. Whereas anyone can check your posts and see how you stalk me, to leap out whenever I call out people who everyone (except their fellow-travellers like yourself) _knows_ are the racists on this board, whether that be **CP** or **magellan01** or **Shodan** or whomever. That you feel motivated to do that, prompted by your delusions of my non-existent racism, but never once actually move your lying ass to confront **Chief** or **mags** in a _real_ racism thread, tell me that I’ve applied my standard of judging who is and isn’t a racist _just perfectly_ in your case. It also helps that you’ve shown yourself to be an outright liar… ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1276 "2015-03-20T04:59:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, it’s defending racists by stalking me and leaping out every time I call them on it (but never calling them on their racist shit even though you admit you read it) that makes you a racist. > > And you _wish_ your racist-lite ass was like Hitler - you’re more like a _Sonderkommando_. A useful idiot to the other racists on this board, all the while convinced of your own martyrdom. > > And a liar. Listen, dickhead, I don’t stalk you, you just turn up all the fucking time talking nonsense. The idea that I feel “martyred” is ridiculous, your nowhere near important enough to make me feel that way. And if I see some actual racism here, if I see, for example, anyone saying you shouldn’t post here because you’re black, or that your posts are worthless for that reason I’ll call them out on it. In fact, link me to the racism you’ve seen, to where you or anyone else has been attacked for your race, and I’ll call them out right now. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1277 "2015-03-20T05:05:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t particularly care for the fact that you have to lie about me to do it. > > Whereas anyone can check your posts and see how you stalk me, to leap out whenever I call out people who everyone (except their fellow-travellers like yourself) _knows_ are the racists on this board, whether that be **CP** or **magellan01** or **Shodan** or whomever. > > That you feel motivated to do that, prompted by your delusions of my non-existent racism, but never once actually move your lying ass to confront **Chief** or **mags** in a _real_ racism thread, tell me that I’ve applied my standard of judging who is and isn’t a racist _just perfectly_ in your case. > > It also helps that you’ve shown yourself to be an outright liar… Because I’m not going to use your retarded standard for anybody else, because they’ve done nothing to deserve that. But please, point me to the threads where any of the people you’ve named have racially abused you, or otherwise acted in a racist manner. Of the people you mention, **Shodan** is clearly not a racist, and it’s only your paranoia that could possibly make you think he is. **Chief Pedant** is clearly wrong, but is attempting to discuss ideas, nothing else, and there’s no problem with that. **Magellan01** quite possibly is racist, but more likely just likes winding lefties up. You need to accept that not being insanely politically correct in every situation doesn’t make someone racist. What makes them racist is acting in a discriminatory fashion to someone because of race (or ethnicity, nationality or culture, the way the word is often used). Not discussing why more young black people fail at school or commit crimes. We need _more_ discussion of those issues, not less, and we don’t need liberal arseholes shutting down that discussion with false, paranoid cries of “RACISM!!” all the fucking time. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1278 "2015-03-20T05:20:51Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Listen, dickhead, I don’t stalk you, Sure you don’t… > [@](#): > > you just turn up all the fucking time talking nonsense. …in threads you hadn’t even posted to before I mentioned racists, sometimes. > [@](#): > > The idea that I feel “martyred” is ridiculous, your nowhere near important enough to make me feel that way. Just important enough to stalk - in more than one forum, even. And to make you lose your grammar 😃 > [@](#): > > And if I see some actual racism here… you’d have to break your mirror, we get it. Liar. > [@](#): > > Shodan is clearly not a racist HA, Ha ha ! Tell me another one, funny clown man. > [@](#): > > Chief Pedant is clearly wrong, but is attempting to discuss ideas, nothing else, and there’s no problem with that. So you and reality, you’re not on the best of terms, are you? **Chief Pedant** is a racist who thinks an entire continent of human beings is functionally retarded, and uses pseudoscience funded by honest-to-gods literal Nazis to “prove” it. He’s as racist as your sheet is white, you stupid man. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1279 "2015-03-20T05:31:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > **Chief Pedant** is a racist who thinks an entire continent of human beings is functionally retarded, Well, you didn’t get that from any thread on this board, as he’s posted nothing of the sort. Although it’s quite possible you bring the average down so far that he’d be correct if he did. And as for the stalking bullshit, you’re the one that followed me to another board to have another argument. Sadly for you, even the people there who agree with you think you’re a cunt (citation provided earlier). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1280 "2015-03-20T06:05:24Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Well, you didn’t get that from any thread on this board, as he’s posted nothing of the sort. He cites Lynn and Rushton, and their numbers _are_ that low (e.g. saying South Africans have an average IQ around 72). So yes, that’s what he says. I get that _you’re_ incapable of actually reading anything substantive. But believe me, some of us do, actually, follow up on exactly [who](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations) the racists on this board choose to cite. And [where](http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000042.htm) _they_ get their funding from. But by all means, _please_ continue defending **CP** as _hard_ as you possibly can. This does your I’m-Not-A-Racist cred _sooo_ much good. Liar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=65)