# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1281 "2015-03-20T06:26:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > And me, but I doubt you’ll need too much more evidence that I can be an abrasive cunt when provoked. Posting on this board must provoke you, aye? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1282 "2015-03-20T06:37:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Posting on this board must provoke you, aye? something something quarry ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1283 "2015-03-20T06:42:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > But by all means, _please_ continue defending **CP** as _hard_ as you possibly can. This does your I’m-Not-A-Racist cred _sooo_ much good. I’ll defend his, or anybody’s, right to discuss theories and opinions without people trying to shut that discussion down by crying “RACIST!!!” rather than actually refuting the argument. It doesn’t matter whether or not he’s racist, that doesn’t affect the argument being made. That’s either true or false (probably false). Focus on that, unless you’ve got any actual reason to think he’s racist. I’ve asked you to link ton posts with actual racist content, and you have (unsurprisingly) failed. Probably because it only exists in your head, and (fortunately) it’s not possible to hyperlink there. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1284 "2015-03-20T06:45:53Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’ve asked you to link ton posts with actual racist content [sic] I’ll link when you provide a link to me admitting to being a racist, and not before, liar. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1285 "2015-03-20T07:03:37Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Sadly for you, even the people there who agree with you think you’re a cunt (citation provided earlier). [Moderating] **Steophan** , calling other posters “cunts” is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. This is the second time I’ve had to mod note you in this thread. I recommend you cool down, because the next one is going to be a warning. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1286 "2015-03-20T07:04:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > [sic] I’ll link when you provide a link to me admitting to being a racist, and not before, liar. What a fucking surprise. You’ve got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1287 "2015-03-20T07:05:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > **Steophan** , calling other posters “cunts” is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. This is the second time I’ve had to mod note you in this thread. I recommend you cool down, because the next one is going to be a warning. > [/Moderating] I didn’t call him that. I simply mentioned that other people had. Specifically, people who agreed with him, something I’m never likely to be accused of. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1288 "2015-03-20T07:11:13Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > What a fucking surprise. You’ve got nothing. No, U. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1289 "2015-03-20T09:37:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > We were talking about whether people are racist, not statements, and that’s a fundamental difference in my opinion. If the scientist finds proof of that statement, then they are not racist to point it out, because it’s true. And the race of the scientist is irrelevant. > > Fundamentally, what matters is whether a statement is true or false. Whether different groups have different genetic predispositions to intelligence, and whether those groups correlate with race, are (theoretically) testable propositions. > > Statements, ultimately, are neither racist nor non-racist, because racism is a property of behaviour (and by extension, the people behaving). So, what you need to judge is whether the _utterance_ of the statement is racist behaviour. And this is where the difference between the guy in the sheet and the scientist comes in. One is uttering a statement the have no reason to believe is true, for the purpose of white supremacy. The other is uttering a statement he reasonably believes to be true, for the purpose of scientific advancement. A term that includes both types of speech, and denigrates both of them equally, is so broad as to be meaningless, in my opinion. > > Which is a very longwinded way to say “no, they’re not”. Totally disagree – statements can absolutely be judged as racist or not, regardless of the speaker. “blacks are inferior” is _always racist_, no matter why it’s asserted. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1290 "2015-03-20T09:40:16Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Listen, dickhead, I don’t stalk you, you just turn up all the fucking time talking nonsense. The idea that I feel “martyred” is ridiculous, your nowhere near important enough to make me feel that way. > > And if I see some actual racism here, if I see, for example, anyone saying you shouldn’t post here because you’re black, or that your posts are worthless for that reason I’ll call them out on it. In fact, link me to the racism you’ve seen, to where you or anyone else has been attacked for your race, and I’ll call them out right now. You seriously don’t think you’ve seen “actual racism” on the board? It’s just mind-boggling that repeated assertions that one race is inferior in inherent genetic intellectual ability could be judged as anything other than racism – that seems to me to be one of the most basic sorts of racism there is. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1291 "2015-03-20T13:43:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You seriously don’t think you’ve seen “actual racism” on the board? Considering there’s a current active IMHO thread where people are proudly proclaiming they would dump a girlfriend if they found out that she’d been with a Black guy sometime in the distant past, I can only imagine that **Steophan** has some kind of selective dyslexia that leaves him incapable of actually seeing racist posts. It seems to be coupled with a synesthesia where he sees anti-White racism where none exists. This would explain his inability to later find anything to link to, even when he _swears_ it existed. Well, that or he’s a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1292 "2015-03-20T15:02:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Considering there’s a current active IMHO thread where people are proudly proclaiming they would dump a girlfriend if they found out that she’d been with a Black guy sometime in the distant past, I can only imagine that **Steophan** has some kind of selective dyslexia that leaves him incapable of actually seeing racist posts. So link to the fucking post, like I asked. I don’t read every thread on this board, and I’m certainly not going to trust your characterisation of a thread without reading it. Oh, and once again, the statement “black people are, on average, less intelligent than white people” is either true or false, not racist. Racism would saying that, _because_ of that average (whether it’s true or not) I’m going to assume any given black person is unintelligent. Because the latter is prejudice, whereas making a judgement based on facts - such as, what the average intelligence is - is necessarily postjudice. And so, by definition, not prejudiced. Now, if anyone wants to argue that continually repeating a discredited theory about race is racist, that’s a different matter. But that’s not what’s been said, what’s been said is that the theory itself is racist. Which is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1293 "2015-03-20T15:26:35Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > So link to the fucking post, like I asked. You first, liar. Link to the post where I admit I’m a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1294 "2015-03-20T15:38:40Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > So link to the fucking post, like I asked. I don’t read every thread on this board, and I’m certainly not going to trust your characterisation of a thread without reading it. Here’s one such fucking post. Please sweet Jesus tell me you just didn’t see this before and are not going to make excuses for it: > [@If a woman has a past relationship with a black man she's tainted forever. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-a-woman-has-a-past-relationship-with-a-black-man-shes-tainted-forever-why/662743/215): > > i usually avoid white women who have dated black men in the past for a few reasons none of which have anything to do with racism mainly it’s self preservation(something like 75% of AIDS cases in the entire world are black people)and personal preferences i don’t like to date women who sound illiterate. > > #1. they tend to act “ghetto” and talk with a silly accent,what they are really trying to do is act black some of them might sound perfectly normal but when they get angry the ebonics comes out. > > #2. it’s just common sense and self preservation that one should avoid these women based on the A.I.D.S rate in the black world population i think people in Europe and Asia are at higher risk than Americans, since they seem to have more African immigrants > > The Impact of HIV in Blacks > > Statistics only begin to show the tremendous toll HIV in blacks is taking. > > ``` > More HIV infections. African Americans make up 14% of the U.S. population, but they represent 44% of new HIV cases. The picture is even bleaker in black women, teens, and children. In 2009, the CDC estimates that the rate of new HIV infections in African American women was 15 times as high as the rate for white women. > Shorter survival. On average, the survival time for African-Americans with AIDS is lower than for other racial or ethnic groups. > Increased numbers of deaths. AIDS is a leading cause of death in African-Americans, especially in young women. > > ``` > > How HIV in Blacks Spreads > > HIV in black men is spread most often through (in this order): > > ``` > Not using a condom or other protection when having sex with a man who is infected with HIV. > Sharing injection drug needles or syringes with someone who is infected with HIV > Not using a condom or other protection when having sex with a woman who is infected with HIV. > > ``` > > HIV in black women is spread most often through (in this order): > > ``` > Not using a condom or other protection when having sex with a man who is infected with HIV. > Sharing injection drug needles or syringes with someone who is infected with HIV. > African Americans accounted for an estimated 44% of all new HIV infections among adults and adolescents (aged 13 years or older) in 2010, despite representing only 12% of the US population; considering the smaller size of the African American population in the United States, this represents a population rate that is 8 times that of whites overall. > In 2010, men accounted for 70% (14,700) of the estimated 20,900 new HIV infections among all adult and adolescent African Americans. The estimated rate of new HIV infections for African American men (103.6/100,000 population) was 7 times that of white men, twice that of Latino men, and nearly 3 times that of African American women. > In 2010, African American gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men**b represented an estimated 72% (10,600) of new infections among all African American men and 36% of an estimated 29,800 new HIV infections among all gay and bisexual men. More new HIV infections (4,800) occurred among young African American gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24) than any other subgroup of gay and bisexual men. > In 2010, African American women accounted for 6,100 (29%) of the estimated new HIV infections among all adult and adolescent African Americans. This number represents a decrease of 21% since 2008. Most new HIV infections among African American women (87%; 5,300) are attributed to heterosexual contact.c The estimated rate of new HIV infections for African American women (38.1/100,000 population) was 20 times that of white women and almost 5 times that of Hispanic/Latino women. > At some point in their lifetimes, an estimated 1 in 16 African American men and 1 in 32 African American women will be diagnosed with HIV infection. > In 2011, an estimated 15,958 African Americans were diagnosed with AIDS in the United States. > By the end of 2010, an estimated 260,821 African Americans ever diagnosed with AIDS had died in the United States. > > ``` > > Source:[http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html](http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1295 "2015-03-20T15:47:51Z")
Damnit, **LH** , that was good for at least two more volleys… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1296 "2015-03-20T15:53:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Damnit, **LH** , that was good for at least two more volleys… I totally agree–which is WHY I posted it. I mean, Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1297 "2015-03-20T15:57:03Z")
Yeah, I found that thread and read it. Three (if I remember correctly) trolls who got laughed out of the place. Doesn’t make this board the hotbed of RACISM!!! **Dibble** is claiming. None of those posts actually saying what he claimed either… Surprise, surprise. Not one regular poster on the boards saying anything even remotely racist there. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1298 "2015-03-20T17:01:09Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Oh, and once again, the statement “black people are, on average, less intelligent than white people” is either true or false, not racist. Racism would saying that, _because_ of that average (whether it’s true or not) I’m going to assume any given black person is unintelligent. Because the latter is prejudice, whereas making a judgement based on facts - such as, what the average intelligence is - is necessarily postjudice. And so, by definition, not prejudiced. > > Now, if anyone wants to argue that continually repeating a discredited theory about race is racist, that’s a different matter. But that’s not what’s been said, what’s been said is that the theory itself is racist. Which is absurd. The “theory” is itself racist. Is the assertion “Jews are inherently more greedy and less trustworthy, on average, due to genetics” racist/bigoted? Or “black people are, on average, morally incapable of interacting respectfully with others, due to genetics”? If these are indeed racist, why would an assertion about black people and lower intelligence not be racist? And if those assertions are not racist, then it sets the bar so high that even _19th century supporters of slavery_ don’t count as having made racist assertions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1299 "2015-03-20T17:05:08Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Yeah, I found that thread and read it. Three (if I remember correctly) trolls who got laughed out of the place. Doesn’t make this board the hotbed of RACISM!!! **Dibble** is claiming. None of those posts actually saying what he claimed either… Surprise, surprise. > > Not one regular poster on the boards saying anything even remotely racist there. When did he say that this board is a “hotbed of RACISM”, or anything close to that? ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1300 "2015-03-20T17:06:10Z")
Could the people who want to argue about who or what is or is not racist please start another thread? This seems like an extremely off topic tangent to this thread. [The City of Los Angeles contracts Xerox to run it’s Parking Violations division](https://www.facebook.com/nomoretickets/posts/917361671637046?fref=nf&pnref=story). Xerox becomes the defacto judge, jury and executioner for parking cases and engages in what you would expect from an entity that profits from every parking violation. A man has been engaged with a lawsuit with Xerox and the City of Los Angeles for 4 years over the issue and finally settles out of court after Xerox threatens to bankrupt him if he continues. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=66)