# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 655
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13082 "2018-04-07T14:19:01Z")
[The Troy, MI PD has added a cat to the ranks](https://apnews.com/dfebbda846c74a9e99e64c4da634ed8c/Put-your-paws-up:-Detroit-area-police-department-adds-cat)! > [@](#): > > Book him, kitty. > > The Troy police department in suburban Detroit added a cat to the ranks Friday after auditioning five felines from the Michigan Humane Society. > > The cat will be used for therapeutic purposes and make public appearances. A Troy officer who has two cats at home is getting a new four-legged partner. > > Sgt. Meghan Lehman says the department also wants to promote pet adoptions from area shelters. She says Troy students will be asked to come up with possible names for the kitten. A name will be selected through a vote on Twitter. > > Troy police pledged to add a cat if it could reach 10,000 Twitter followers by April. It took just eight days to go from 4,000 to 10,000. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13083 "2018-04-07T14:32:48Z")
MOUSE LIVES MATTER! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13084 "2018-04-07T18:29:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Sometimes it doesn’t fucking matter if you obey police instructions](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/graphic-video-shows-police-killing-of-unarmed-man-in-arizona.html): A cop empties his weapon into a suspect that is crawling on his hands and knees as directed. The cop is acquitted, of course. Of course. Blue Lives Matter. And ONLY blue. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13085 "2018-04-07T18:32:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The police could tell from the helicopter that he was on something, How? Are they magic or something? Was it some kind of 1960s CIA remote viewing powers? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13086 "2018-04-10T23:17:46Z")
At last, truth. [‘Better financially’ to kill suspects than wound them: sheriff](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/better-financially-to-kill-suspects-than-wound-them-sheriff/ar-AAvI8I8?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood was looking for an endorsement in 2006 when he posed the question, “When a deputy shoots somebody, which way is better financially? To cripple them or kill them for the county?” > > “Kill them?” someone off camera asks before Youngblood answers “Absolutely.” > > “Because if you cripple them you have to take care of them for life and that cost goes way up,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13087 "2018-04-11T00:20:00Z")
I’ll be waiting for the cops on this board to come into this thread and denounce these remarks. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13088 "2018-04-11T00:38:25Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > How about a swimming pool ? Quoted for amusing username/post combo. But maybe I’m just buzzed. 😃 > [@mikecurtis](#): > > There were two cops actively on the scene. Both cops (presumably) assessed that the person was acting erratic and needed to be approached with caution. Shelby “says” that she believed he was on PCP and subsequently believed that shooting was necessary. Officer Turnbough, who was standing right next to Shelby, observed the situation from the same vantage, didn’t feel that Crutcher needed shooting but used a taser instead. So, clearly, deadly force was not _ **necessary** _! One cop acted appropriately, one cop didn’t! How do you ascertain that the shooting was unnecessary based on a difference of opinion alone? Yes, it could have been unnecessary but it just as likely could have been necessary. Why give more credence to Officer Turnbough than to Officer Shelby? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13089 "2018-04-11T00:48:52Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > How do you ascertain that the shooting was unnecessary based on a difference of opinion alone? Yes, it could have been unnecessary but it just as likely could have been necessary. Why give more credence to Officer Turnbough than to Officer Shelby? Because the justification for the shooting was fear. Both were subjected to the same circumstances, yet only one felt fear for his life. If one cop doesn’t feel that fear, then the other’s fear is misplaced, and the shooting is unjustified. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13090 "2018-04-11T00:50:24Z")
Maybe the one cop was just stupid and didn’t realize the threat that an unarmed black man posed to the cops life? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13091 "2018-04-11T00:53:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because the justification for the shooting was fear. Both were subjected to the same circumstances, yet only one felt fear for his life. If one cop doesn’t feel that fear, then the other’s fear is misplaced, and the shooting is unjustified. Idiotic reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13092 "2018-04-11T00:59:29Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Idiotic reasoning. By the cop who was afraid of an unarmed black guy after another cop wasn’t? I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13093 "2018-04-11T01:00:38Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Idiotic reasoning. Exasperated hand waving. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13094 "2018-04-11T10:35:02Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Idiotic reasoning. Quoted for amusing username/post combo. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13095 "2018-04-11T14:29:23Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because the justification for the shooting was fear. Both were subjected to the same circumstances, yet only one felt fear for his life. If one cop doesn’t feel that fear, then the other’s fear is misplaced, and the shooting is unjustified. Much as I agree with the opinion that the shooting was unjustified, this particular line of reasoning is invalid on it’s face. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13096 "2018-04-11T14:49:34Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Much as I agree with the opinion that the shooting was unjustified, this particular line of reasoning is invalid on it’s face. Not entirely sure why. The public is criticized for monday morning quarterbacking police shootings. “You weren’t there, You didn’t know the circumstances, you don’t know what it is like to be a cop…” stuff like that, questioning the public’s right to comment upon the choices made by the police when they decide to use deadly force. In this instance, you had another cop, who was there, who did know the circumstances, and does know what it is like to be a cop, and he came to a different, and more correct conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13097 "2018-04-11T15:03:53Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Not entirely sure why. > > The public is criticized for monday morning quarterbacking police shootings. “You weren’t there, You didn’t know the circumstances, you don’t know what it is like to be a cop…” stuff like that, questioning the public’s right to comment upon the choices made by the police when they decide to use deadly force. > > In this instance, you had another cop, who was there, who did know the circumstances, and does know what it is like to be a cop, and he came to a different, and more correct conclusion. The reasoning employed is ‘the fact that two people disagree means that means _this one_ is wrong’. It could be that the other, or both, were wrong. The simple fact that they disagreed does not determine which was right. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13098 "2018-04-12T13:38:14Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Not entirely sure why. > > The public is criticized for monday morning quarterbacking police shootings. “You weren’t there, You didn’t know the circumstances, you don’t know what it is like to be a cop…” stuff like that, questioning the public’s right to comment upon the choices made by the police when they decide to use deadly force. > > In this instance, you had another cop, who was there, who did know the circumstances, and does know what it is like to be a cop, and he came to a different, and more correct conclusion. We hear the same shit, even when there is testimony and video proving the cop lied. Maybe some of the snowflakes who can’t handle the “pressure” need to find a different line of work. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13099 "2018-04-12T15:27:59Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The reasoning employed is ‘the fact that two people disagree means that means _this one_ is wrong’. It could be that the other, or both, were wrong. > > The simple fact that they disagreed does not determine which was right. If they had a disagreement over which ice cream flavor to get, I’d agree. As it ended with an unarmed man dead, I would say that the cop who did not kill the unarmed man was more in the right than the cop who did kill the unarmed man. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13100 "2018-04-12T15:49:34Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > As it ended with an unarmed man dead, I would say that the cop who did not kill the unarmed man was more in the right than the cop who did kill the unarmed man. Yes, this seems readily apparent to me. Not sure why people have an issue with it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13101 "2018-04-12T16:35:35Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, this seems readily apparent to me. Not sure why people have an issue with it. As long as the decision is not made after the fact, I don’t have an issue either. He is acting erratically, he refuses to show his hands, he reaches into his pocket. Turns out he was only reaching for his cell phone is fine - until it isn’t. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=654) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=656)