# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 678
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13542 "2018-05-09T17:40:34Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > **Steophan** , if I knew you were in my neighborhood, I would do everything in my power to make sure everyone in a three-block radius, as well as whoever was employing you, knew about these posts, and knew what an insane and dangerous fucking psychopath you are. I would do everything in my power to keep my neighborhood safe by _keeping you out of it_. Because normal people don’t want psychopaths, murderers, [stalkers](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/07/us/george-zimmerman-stalking/index.html), and the like in their neighborhoods. Were I to follow your insanely loose criteria for when to shoot someone, I would have killed quite a few people - including you. Jesus Christ, you need to get out more. First, Steophan isn’t a dangerous fucking psychopath, he’s just a dumbass with a controversial opinion on a message board. If he was a real psychopath, he wouldn’t be so fucking afraid of the world and pro-authoritarian. Personally, given the way he sucks the cops off in this thread, I find his “snitches get stitches” attitude that wouldn’t be out of place in a Hells Angel’s clubhouse both ironic and funny as hell. Secondly, if he really was “an insane and dangerous fucking psychopath” your one man harassment campaign is robbing a gun store with a dull pocket knife levels of stupid. They would either ignore you because your campaign was ineffective, or completely destroy you in ways that you can’t even imagine if you actually managed to get in their way. Don’t be stupid, stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13543 "2018-05-09T17:49:55Z")
Can he at least go around pointing out the guy who thinks it’s okay to kill a person for playing music too loud? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13544 "2018-05-09T18:05:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Can he at least go around pointing out the guy who thinks it’s okay to kill a person for playing music too loud? You can prove that you can’t read for comprehension if you claim that. I made the claim that it’s not only OK but admirable to confront people who are disturbing others by playing music way too loud - something that, unlike the petty crimes we’ve been talking about actually fucks up someone’s day - and also claimed that it’s OK to shoot someone that you reasonably believe is threatening you with a shotgun. That you conflate those two says much about your own idiocy, and nothing about my views. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13545 "2018-05-09T18:12:24Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Do YOU ? I’ve asked this twice, but apparently you’re too coward to reply this particular question: > > > [@](#): > > > > So what’s your take on crimes where the victim isn’t even aware it happened ? You know, like embezzling from a demented person, or drug-raping somebody. Would it be petty to inform the cops about these, 'cause who actually got harmed there ? In the first case I’d be inclined to speak to whoever’s responsible for the demented person’s wellbeing, and they can make that decision, and in the second I’d prefer to inform the (alleged) victim, so he or she can decide. Because odds are in either case I don’t know what actually happened or what the victim would want, and I’d rather not be the person that sets the police on an innocent person. Look, you phone the police if there’s someone breaking into your house, not if someone you don’t recognise is walking past (assuming it’s not private property, befoer someone mentions Zimmerman). If idiots stopped calling the police on innocent black people, there’d be a lot less “controversial encounters”. Doesn’t change anything about respecting the police when there is an encounter. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13546 "2018-05-09T18:20:19Z")
Very well, that’s reasonable. Thanks. However, this is not reasonable: > [@Steophan](#): > > I made the claim that it’s not only OK but admirable to confront people who are disturbing others by playing music way too loud - something that, unlike the petty crimes we’ve been talking about actually fucks up someone’s day Playing music loud is not a petty crime, but kicking the head of a defenseless and harmless person is ? Riiight. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13547 "2018-05-09T18:27:25Z")
OK, it’s got to be asked. Hey Stephie, just what type of music is it that you listen to when shooting people? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13548 "2018-05-09T18:27:46Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You can prove that you can’t read for comprehension if you claim that. I made the claim that it’s not only OK but admirable to confront people who are disturbing others by playing music way too loud - something that, unlike the petty crimes we’ve been talking about actually fucks up someone’s day - and also claimed that it’s OK to shoot someone that you reasonably believe is threatening you with a shotgun. > > That you conflate those two says much about your own idiocy, and nothing about my views. This was your statement, right? > [@](#): > > or Dunn, who wanted the selfish scumbags to stop their antisocial noise pollution, are the sort of people normal people want around them. Now, I don’t know about others, but it seems to me that someone who shoots a kid for playing loud music is NOT the sort of person that normal people want around them. The fact that you think he IS, shows that there is clearly something wrong with you. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13549 "2018-05-09T18:29:32Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You claimed it was a petty crime that I wouldn’t think it was reasonable to turn someone in for. It’s post 13513, about 3 hours ago. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Strange, when I look at post 13513, it’s me asking you a question. 2 questions, actually. I’m not claiming anything in that post, nor am I comparing anything to child rape. Are you sure you know how to read? Plus, still waiting for your answer to this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13550 "2018-05-09T18:32:32Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > OK, it’s got to be asked. Hey Stephie, just what type of music is it that you listen to when shooting people? I wonder what Dunn, the man who shot at fleeing teenagers and was subsequently praised as the kind of person normal people want around them by **Steophan** , was listening to while he fired at terrified teenagers who were driving away from him. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13551 "2018-05-09T19:21:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I wonder what Dunn, the man who shot at fleeing teenagers and was subsequently praised as the kind of person normal people want around them by **Steophan** , was listening to while he fired at terrified teenagers who were driving away from him. I’m sure it was normal music, played at a normal volume, for listening by normal people. You know, the kind of normal people who want convicted attempted murderers around them so as to prevent loud noise-pollution music. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13552 "2018-05-09T19:46:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Can he at least go around pointing out the guy who thinks it’s okay to kill a person for playing music too loud? He can do whatever he wants. To be clear, I’m not defending Steophan, that braindead idiot thinks that loud music can fuck up someones day but a boot to the head can’t. That’s not just regular stupid, it’s advanced level stupid, and I fully encourage one and all to join together in harmony to point and laugh at the retard. That said, planning a one man smear campaign against a violent psychopath in real life is **even dumber** than that, and it needed to be called out. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13553 "2018-05-09T21:38:42Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > OK, it’s got to be asked. Hey Stephie, just what type of music is it that you listen to when shooting people? Jazz, or Tuvan throat singing. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13554 "2018-05-09T22:45:37Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > He can do whatever he wants. To be clear, I’m not defending Steophan, that braindead idiot thinks that loud music can fuck up someones day but a boot to the head can’t. That’s not just regular stupid, it’s advanced level stupid, and I fully encourage one and all to join together in harmony to point and laugh at the retard. > > That said, planning a one man smear campaign against a violent psychopath in real life is **even dumber** than that, and it needed to be called out. You’re right, sorry. Still, given that we know that **Steophan** is either dangerously insane, a pathological liar, or both, can we please stop _quoting_ him and just ignore him? For god’s sake, stop feeding the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13555 "2018-05-09T23:15:53Z")
Agreed. Just put him on ignore and please stop quoting him. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13556 "2018-05-10T05:43:02Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > **Steophan** , if I knew you were in my neighborhood, I would do everything in my power to make sure everyone in a three-block radius, as well as whoever was employing you, knew about these posts I doubt you would ever know he was in your neighborhood. I bet he’s a shut-in who never leaves the house and lives off welfare. He probably sits in front of his computer all day searching for stories of innocent black kids shot to death that he can masturbate to. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13557 "2018-05-10T06:24:04Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I doubt you would ever know he was in your neighborhood. I bet he’s a shut-in who never leaves the house and lives off welfare. He probably sits in front of his computer all day searching for stories of innocent black kids shot to death that he can masturbate to. That’s not true. Sometimes I move to a different chair and use my tablet. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13558 "2018-05-10T12:35:40Z")
I have 2 very simple questions for **Steophan** : 1. What do you think is the role of the police in today’s society? 2. What is the role of the police in your utopia? ETA: I imagine that most people in this thread have an idea of how you would answer. I think that they are all mistaken in what you will say. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13559 "2018-05-10T12:52:30Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I have 2 very simple questions for **Steophan** : > > 1. What do you think is the role of the police in today’s society? > 2. What is the role of the police in your utopia? > > ETA: I imagine that most people in this thread have an idea of how you would answer. I think that they are all mistaken in what you will say. In no particular order, to investigate crime, arrest suspects, deter crime by their presence, respond to reports of crime, reassure the public that crime will be dealt with and they will be kept safe. In my utopia, like presumably most people’s, there’d be no need for a police force. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13560 "2018-05-10T14:06:26Z")
…not in America, and not quite in my backyard, but really quite disgusting to watch. The original statement from the WA Police described this incident as " “being sought for questioning over a caller complaint of suspicious activity in the area”. “The man was arrested a short time later on Wilfred Road after colliding with a police vehicle involved in the search." So everyone: watch this video of a man colliding with a police vehicle. (Warning, shows a man colliding with a police vehicle, not nice to watch at all) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/bYM5unleo54/maxresdefault.jpg "Police officer stood down after footage shows car hitting Indigenous teen") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYM5unleo54) More context: > **[Police car filmed veering across road and hitting Aboriginal man](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/10/police-car-filmed-veering-across-road-and-hitting-aboriginal-man)** > > Police officer stood down as more footage emerges of incident in Perth suburb on Sunday afternoon ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13561 "2018-05-10T14:13:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m sure it was normal music, played at a normal volume, for listening by normal people. You know, the kind of normal people who want convicted attempted murderers around them so as to prevent loud noise-pollution music. I’m torn between _[Ride of the Valkyries](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjN1fyVqPvaAhWCpoMKHQVXC30QtwIIYjAL&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTqtehtSB0LI&usg=AOvVaw0t5ENOCohcbciCKP81cBdj)_ and _[Welcome Back](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjgtdXvp_vaAhXk7IMKHaI7Cc4QyCkILDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIhzzAUaOzsk&usg=AOvVaw3kD0tDtf0qvacFwgayj0tN)_. And of course - [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2iX9i5Ymbk) would be just wrong. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=677) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=679)