# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 679
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13562 "2018-05-10T14:23:05Z")
In this thread we have Crazy Canuck and Budget Player Cadet calling someone else a retard? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13563 "2018-05-10T16:48:36Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You’re right, sorry. No worries, we’re cool. I understand the urge to protect yourself from dangerous people and keep yourself and your loved ones safe. I’ve just dealt with more than my fair share of psychos in my cocaine dealing years, and I had to learn the hard way that the only way to win with psychopaths is to not play the game. Just stay out of their way, and if that’s not possible, aim to create win/win situations. Believe me when I say that you can’t hurt them like they can hurt you. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > In this thread we have Crazy Canuck and Budget Player Cadet calling someone else a retard? :dubious: You’re starting to remind me of a yappy little dog with more bark than brains. Either grow some balls and pit me if you have a problem or fuck right off. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13564 "2018-05-10T18:24:00Z")
[Here’s a new one](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/black-woman-says-traffic-stop-like-lynching-viral-video-cops-release-unedited-body-cam-footage/). ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13565 "2018-05-10T18:35:21Z")
I guess she doesn’t know what lynching means. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13566 "2018-05-10T18:38:04Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Here’s a new one](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/black-woman-says-traffic-stop-like-lynching-viral-video-cops-release-unedited-body-cam-footage/). That’s more like it! Blatantly racist cop, threats of lynching, violently assaulting a totally innocent civilian, caught on video - all the good stuff! Attica! Attica! Structural racism! Fight the power! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13567 "2018-05-10T18:43:23Z")
I’m not sure what the issue is. The guy clearly had a gun. She felt threatened, as she should. Just like the cop the other day felt threatened because the running suspect had a gun. And other cops have felt threatened by phones and such that they simply THOUGHT were guns. This woman clearly saw a gun and she felt threatened. What’s the problem again? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13568 "2018-05-10T18:47:13Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I guess she doesn’t know what lynching means. I think she was pissed that he gave her a ticket, and not a warning. The cop was professional and polite and wasn’t worked up at all. He did get just a bit short with her when she didn’t want to sign the ticket, but even then I don’t think he lost his temper. He could have been a little more patient when explaining that signing the ticket doesn’t admit guilt, but he never seemed threatening to her. I think she just wanted her 2 minutes of notoriety, and thought playing the race card was her best play. “Lynching”, “Freddie Gray”, etc. So, here’s an instance where the controversy is due to the citizen, not the cop. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13569 "2018-05-10T18:48:22Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s more like it! Blatantly racist cop, threats of lynching, violently assaulting a totally innocent civilian, caught on video - all the good stuff! > > Attica! Attica! Structural racism! Fight the power! > > Regards, > Shodan Congratulations, you’ve proved that police abuse is just a made up thing. It would seem to me that after an incident like this, all cops would want to wear their body cameras, and make sure that they are on all the time, so that they can have an objective witness to what transpired. I’ve not watched the video, but assuming the article is accurate, it seems she had a different impression of the encounter. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13570 "2018-05-10T19:04:03Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I think she just wanted her 2 minutes of notoriety, and thought playing the race card was her best play. Actually, it turn out that she had a sliver of public attention before (though I don’t remember having heard of her even though I live within a stone’s throw (by Superman) from Greenville.) See: [three Google News hits from before this](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&biw=1056&bih=509&tbm=nws&ei=kJb0WomYCcvAjwSMq56wCQ&q=%22Dawn+Hilton-Williams%22&oq=%22Dawn+Hilton-Williams%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...24659.29483.0.30162.2.2.0.0.0.0.713.713.6-1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.mKurfVM43yA). ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13571 "2018-05-10T19:04:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Attica! Attica! Structural racism! Fight the power! I’m not always right, but when I am, I’m a total douche about it. Regards, Shodan, The Least Interesting Poster on the Dope ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13572 "2018-05-10T19:11:09Z")
Well played, Darren Garrison. Shodan surely fell for that one 😃 Too bad Steophan was out. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13573 "2018-05-10T19:28:16Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > In this thread we have Crazy Canuck and Budget Player Cadet calling someone else a retard? :dubious: The barrel has no bottom. It _always gets worse_. I mean, I can’t recall ever thinking particularly highly of you, but I’d hope we could still both join hands in pointing out that **Clothahump** or **Steophan** is about as smart as a particularly stupid box of rocks, or perhaps the average citizen of Bikini Bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13574 "2018-05-10T19:43:53Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It would seem to me that after an incident like this, all cops would want to wear their body cameras, and make sure that they are on all the time, so that they can have an objective witness to what transpired. I’ve not watched the video, but assuming the article is accurate, it seems she had a different impression of the encounter. You don’t get it. Just because the video shows the cop being completely professional doesn’t prove _anything_ - he probably pulled her out of the car, beat the crap out of her, and _then_ turned the camera on. Black Lies Matter! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13575 "2018-05-10T19:45:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > “Dunn, who wanted the selfish scumbags to stop their antisocial noise pollution, are the sort of people normal people want around them.” > > - Steophan > > _ **Michael Dunn was convicted of murder.** _ He literally shot and killed someone over loud music. He repeatedly opened fire on a group of unarmed black teenagers _as they were driving away from him_ - they were driving away from him because he randomly started fucking shooting at them! This is the sort of person normal people want around them?! Do you fire half a dozen shots at everyone who scares you? Are you homicidally terrified of all black people, or just black people in groups listening to loud music? What the fucking fuck is wrong of you? > > **Steophan** , if I knew you were in my neighborhood, I would do everything in my power to make sure everyone in a three-block radius, as well as whoever was employing you, knew about these posts, and knew what an insane and dangerous fucking psychopath you are. I would do everything in my power to keep my neighborhood safe by _keeping you out of it_. Because normal people don’t want psychopaths, murderers, [stalkers](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/07/us/george-zimmerman-stalking/index.html), and the like in their neighborhoods. Were I to follow your insanely loose criteria for when to shoot someone, I would have killed quite a few people - including you. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13576 "2018-05-10T19:51:18Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You don’t get it. Just because the video shows the cop being completely professional doesn’t prove _anything_ - he probably pulled her out of the car, beat the crap out of her, and _then_ turned the camera on. I certainly wouldn’t have made any such claim myself, but if you are so instiatant about it, then you must know something. I suggest you contact the PD and let them know. > [@](#): > > Black Lies Matter! That makes you either an extremely poor speller, or a raging racist. Did you have a preference in how people perceive your words? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13577 "2018-05-11T06:27:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You don’t get it. Just because the video shows the cop being completely professional doesn’t prove _anything_ - he probably pulled her out of the car, beat the crap out of her, and _then_ turned the camera on. > > Black Lies Matter! > > Regards, > Shodan Do me a favor, please make your point clear. Like, what, exactly, is the message you’d like us to take away from this? Please be explicit, I’m really bad at subtext. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13578 "2018-05-11T06:47:03Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …not in America, and not quite in my backyard, but really quite disgusting to watch. > > The original statement from the WA Police described this incident as " “being sought for questioning over a caller complaint of suspicious activity in the area”. “The man was arrested a short time later on Wilfred Road after colliding with a police vehicle involved in the search." > > So everyone: watch this video of a man colliding with a police vehicle. (Warning, shows a man colliding with a police vehicle, not nice to watch at all) > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=90&v=bYM5unleo54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=bYM5unleo54) > > More context: > > [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/10/police-car-filmed-veering-across-road-and-hitting-aboriginal-man](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/10/police-car-filmed-veering-across-road-and-hitting-aboriginal-man) That’s appalling. Also, it looks to me like police officer two (the one walking down the street) needs some serious consideration of her attitude to her job too, because she seems conpletely unconcerned that her partner just knocked a kid into the gutter ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13579 "2018-05-11T07:12:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You don’t get it. Just because the video shows the cop being completely professional doesn’t prove _anything_ - he probably pulled her out of the car, beat the crap out of her, and _then_ turned the camera on. > > Black Lies Matter! Didn’t \*\*Shodan \*\*used to be a better poster? Now he just seems angry and racist and inarticulate. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13580 "2018-05-11T20:50:35Z")
[Pedestrian killed during police chase](http://wgntv.com/2018/05/10/pedestrian-killed-during-police-chase-on-south-side/) This is something I (and others) been complaining about for over 40 yrs and yet it still happens. And yes, I know that it’s the fleeing suspects that are the ones who (usually) do the killing, but the police dont have to chase. And there has been plenty of data for a long time that these are disproportionately dangerous situations and many LE jurisdictions have changed their policies, but none, that I know of, have banned high speed pursuits. It’s time. mc ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/13581 "2018-05-11T23:57:04Z")
[Ex-leader of corrupt Baltimore police unit gets 15 years](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ex-leader-of-corrupt-baltimore-police-unit-gets-15-years/ar-AAx8iw6?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > A disgraced police sergeant who once led a rogue Baltimore police unit has been sentenced to 15 years in federal prison. Hopefully, not the last. > [@](#): > > Seven other members were indicted on charges that include robbery, extortion, and selling drugs seized during police operations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=678) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=680)