# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 703
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14042 "2018-06-20T14:27:26Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Yet in at least one case, that appears to be going on. At the risk of being accused of fully supporting this atrocity because I disagree with one small little point, I don’t think that Sheriff’s deputy separated that woman and her child at the border. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14043 "2018-06-20T18:47:22Z")
> [@](#): > > The 17-year-old fatally shot by police Tuesday night in East Pittsburgh was not armed, Allegheny County police Superintendent Coleman McDonough said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon. > > Supt. McDonough said police found two guns on the floor of the vehicle in which Antwon Rose Jr. was riding before he was killed. Antwon was shot three times after he “bolted” from the vehicle after police took the driver into custody, the superintendent said. The driver of the vehicle, who is 20, was released after being interviewed by police Tuesday night. > **[Woodland Hills student shot and killed by police in East Pittsburgh was not...](https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2018/06/19/North-Braddock-East-Pittsburgh-officer-involved-shooting/stories/201806190176)** > > The teen fatally shot by police Tuesday in East Pittsburgh was not armed, Allegheny County police Superintendent Coleman McDonough said. > [@](#): > > Antwon Rose had been volunteering at the Free Store 15104 in Braddock each summer since 2015, said founder Gisele Fetterman, the wife of Braddock Mayor John Fetterman. Antwon, 17, told a fellow volunteer he planned to return this summer to help out at the nonprofit that collects and redistributes donated items to the community, Ms. Fetterman said. “He was just a really lovely, gentle kid,” Ms. Fetterman told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette at a World Refugee Day event in Market Square on Wednesday. “His mom is amazing. All the kids loved him. Just a fine person. Bubbly. Funny. Goofy. Just really special.” She said the community is “shocked” by Antwon’s death. > **[Gisele Fetterman, Duquesne mayor say police shooting victim was well-mannered...](https://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2018/06/20/Braddock-Gisele-Fetterman-knew-police-shooting-victim-Antwon-Rose-volunteer/stories/201806200152)** > > Antwon Rose volunteered at the Free Store and was loved by the other volunteers, said the wife of Braddock Mayor John Fetterman. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14044 "2018-06-20T20:08:46Z")
That kid could have doubled back, grabbed the guns out of the car and shot the police. Police don’t get paid to take any chances. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14045 "2018-06-20T20:21:43Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, but saying they are doing it because they want to fuck them goes over the line, IMHO. It’s the pit. The line doesn’t exist here. In any case, did the administration make this policy in order to fuck children? Nah. Did the administration make this policy with full knowledge that it would expose children to circumstances that are perfect for a child predator? Yes they did. Did they care? Not in the slightest. That the children may be sexually abused is just part of the deterrence. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14046 "2018-06-20T20:33:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That kid could have doubled back, grabbed the guns out of the car and shot the police. Police don’t get paid to take any chances. Yes, they do. That’s the job. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14047 "2018-06-23T17:50:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That kid could have doubled back, grabbed the guns out of the car and shot the police. Police don’t get paid to take any chances. :smack: And I could get a gun (from pretty much anywhere) and randomly shoot guys on the street for no reason. Cops better gun me down now. Can’t take any chances. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14048 "2018-06-25T13:52:33Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Yes, they do. That’s the job. You think that. I think that. But some think that cops are under no obligation to put themselves at risk. Rather than risk injury, they should immediately shoot anyone that makes them feel a little scared. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14049 "2018-06-25T14:06:25Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, but saying they are doing it because they want to fuck them goes over the line, IMHO. What line?? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14050 "2018-06-25T14:08:04Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > What line?? The line that needs to be crossed before accusing people of doing things because they want to fuck children. As I said, that’s simply my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14051 "2018-06-25T14:10:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Police don’t get paid to take any chances. Any cop that believes that shouldn’t be a cop. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14052 "2018-06-25T14:19:14Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Any cop that believes that shouldn’t be a cop. Exactly. If they are that scared or that cowardly, they need to find another line of work. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14053 "2018-06-25T14:20:50Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The line that needs to be crossed before accusing people of doing things because they want to fuck children. As I said, that’s simply my opinion. That’s nice, that’s very nice. They are doing some really horrible shit, supposedly doing it in our name, and you’re worried about their feelings. Well bless your heart. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14054 "2018-06-25T14:23:02Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That’s nice, that’s very nice. > > They are doing some really horrible shit, supposedly doing it in our name, and you’re worried about their feelings. > > Well bless your heart. Whatever, man. You be you. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14055 "2018-06-25T17:14:35Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That kid could have doubled back, grabbed the guns out of the car and shot the police. Police don’t get paid to take any chances. 😕 How was he going to double back to get the guns with the cop standing right there. Face it, the cop didn’t want to let a suspect get away so he shot him in the back without warning. The cop appointed himself judge, jury and executioner, without any proof of wrongdoing other than fleeing the scene. This is not the way cops should behave and you don’t need to kneejerk defend them. Acknowledging that one cop did a bad thing and should be held accountable is not going to destroy the fabric of our justice system. Most/all of us agree that on any given day cops do more good things than they do bad thing, and I think that most/all of us agree that we can’t expect 0 incidents. What we object to is how these incidents are handled. It would be one thing if when such an incident occurred the reaction of the department was to publicly distance themselves from the event indicating that that is not who they are, and find out what led to the tragedy, and prevent it from happening in the future so as to heal any broken ties with the community. Instead what we get is responses like Mason. A rallying around the officer and excuse all of his actions. No desire to change policies, and a demonetization of those in the community who complain. Further expanding the rift between the community and the police. It seems that some police have seemed to adopt a military view of policing, in which there is a war between the police and the bad guys, with civilians sometimes getting in the crossfire. So that in their minds the ordering of outcomes from worst to best becomes Dead police \<\< escaped criminal \<\< dead cilvilian \<\< captured criminal \<\< dead criminal. When in my opinion it should (except in extreme cases) be Dead civilian \<\< dead police \<\< dead criminal \<\< escaped criminal \<\< captured criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14056 "2018-06-25T17:16:58Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > 😕 How was he going to double back to get the guns with the cop standing right there. I think it was a woosh-see post #14034. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14057 "2018-06-25T17:31:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Whatever, man. You be you. I just don’t buy into the “civility” line. I don’t buy into “keep taking the high road when it obviously doesn’t work”. I don’t blieve in “keep turning the other cheek every time”. No. This debate about politeness and civility is stupid. It’s also dangerously beside the point. This debate is just another deflection, another exercise in bullshit. Tying it to the most recent example … > **[CNN Panel Goes Off on Sarah Sanders Restaurant Flap: ‘Hard to Have Lectures...](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-panel-goes-off-on-sarah-sanders-restaurant-flap-hard-to-have-lectures-on-civility-from-trump-admin/)** > > Press Secretary Sarah Sanders suggested she was disrespected after being spurned from dining at a Lexington, VA restaurant Friday, a CNN panel wasn't feeling sorry for her. “It’s hard to have lectures on civility from the Trump administration,” Center for American Process President Neera Tanden told host Jake Tapper on his Sunday morning program, adding that President Donald Trump built his own platform on demeaning minorities. “He started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists. He yesterday is attacking Democrats. Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ father is tweeting attacks,” Tanden said, referring to an image tweeted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee Saturday of what looks to be MS-13, captioned with “Nancy Pelosi introduces her campaign committee for the take back of the House.” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14058 "2018-06-25T17:46:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I just don’t buy into the “civility” line. I don’t buy into “keep taking the high road when it obviously doesn’t work”. I don’t blieve in “keep turning the other cheek every time”. > > No. > > This debate about politeness and civility is stupid. It’s also dangerously beside the point. > > This debate is just another deflection, another exercise in bullshit. > > Tying it to the most recent example … > > [CNN Panel Goes Off on Sarah Sanders Restaurant Flap: ‘Hard to Have Lectures on Civility’ From Trump Admin](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-panel-goes-off-on-sarah-sanders-restaurant-flap-hard-to-have-lectures-on-civility-from-trump-admin/) > “It’s hard to have lectures on civility from the Trump administration,” Center for American Process President Neera Tanden told host Jake Tapper on his Sunday morning program, adding that President Donald Trump built his own platform on demeaning minorities. > > “He started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists. He yesterday is attacking Democrats. Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ father is tweeting attacks,” Tanden said, referring to an image tweeted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee Saturday of what looks to be MS-13, captioned with “Nancy Pelosi introduces her campaign committee for the take back of the House.” I’m not debating anything. It’s simply my opinion. I don’t expect you to agree or disagree with it. I don’t actually care which you do. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14059 "2018-06-25T17:48:10Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Instead what we get is responses like Mason. A rallying around the officer and excuse all of his actions. No desire to change policies, and a demonetization of those in the community who complain. Further expanding the rift between the community and the police… Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Also, it’s Manson 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14060 "2018-06-25T18:12:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not debating anything. It’s simply my opinion. I don’t expect you to agree or disagree with it. I don’t actually care which you do. Fair enough 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14061 "2018-06-26T20:39:32Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The line that needs to be crossed before accusing people of doing things because they want to fuck children. As I said, that’s simply my opinion. That there are those involved in the implementation of these policies that want to sexually abuse children for their own pleasures or to profit off the pleasures of others is not something that I find to be a stretch at all, given that this is something that happens when you have people in power over marginalized populations, it pretty much is a given that it will happen. That the administration did this because trump himself wants to sexually abuse these kids, I dunno. That the administration did this with the full knowledge that there would be children subject to sexual exploitation, and that they were not only okay with this, but also saw it as a further deterrence, I also do not find to be in question. Now, was the only reason that they did this to make children available for sexual exploitation? I do not believe that to be the case. They did it for many reasons that are all short sighted and petty. But, that the result of it is that there will be children who we either never see again, or we recover from a child sex slave ring is something that people in the administration knew fully well when they decided to implement these policies. Many in the administration get pleasure out of the suffering of others, I do not put it past them to get pleasure out of the knowledge that their actions result in the torture, rape, and ultimately gruesome death of children. So, yeah, they do want to fuck them, they will likely though, just profit off of someone else doing it, while they pleasure themselves at the thought of the not only the money that they make, but the misery that they inflict. Simply my opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=702) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=704)