# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 706
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14102 "2018-07-12T14:48:40Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Racist berates woman for wearing shirt with Puerto Rican flag on it. The woman politely asks him to leave, saying she has a permit for the area she is in. > > Officer, allegedly of the Cook County Forest Preserve Police Department, does nothing when she repeatedly asks him for a little help. Until a dude shows up, and the officer starts paying attention. > I confess I’m a little mystified by the vid. That hasn’t quite been beaten out of me yet. > > [https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1016412423278825474](https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1016412423278825474) [The cop has resigned.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/forest-preserve-cop-resigns-after-apparently-failing-to-help-woman-being-harassed-over-puerto-rico-shirt/ar-AAzYl4i?li=BBnb7Kz) I hear Arnold’s voice in my head. \*\*\*\*\*Resign or be prosecuted! * * * ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14103 "2018-07-12T14:57:03Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Citizens, repeat after me. > > I am an American, and will wear whatever the fuck I want. > > I am an American, and **anyone who ‘wants to see papers’** can suck my dick. This is the part that likely wouldn’t go well with me in such an encounter. There were two recent incidents, one in Indiana, one in Atlanta, where the inciting event was a black person refusing to give personal information/show ID to some random white person that demanded to know their address. Yeah, I can see the average white person coughing up that info for a strange person of color who “hasn’t seen them around.” ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14104 "2018-07-12T16:00:23Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [The cop has resigned.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/forest-preserve-cop-resigns-after-apparently-failing-to-help-woman-being-harassed-over-puerto-rico-shirt/ar-AAzYl4i?li=BBnb7Kz) > > I hear Arnold’s voice in my head. \*\*\*\*\*Resign or be prosecuted! > > * * * Yeah, but based on past history he’ll be working as a police officer in another jurisdiction before the end of the month. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14105 "2018-07-12T16:05:34Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [El Paso police officer pulls gun on cursing children](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/viral-video-shows-el-paso-police-officer-pulling-gun-on-cursing-children/ar-AAzIIxf) > > Lil basterd’s wouldn’t respect his authoritah! It will be “investigated” until it blows over, and then swept under the rug. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14106 "2018-07-12T18:29:14Z")
How’s this for a[fun article](http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/396720-florida-police-chief-told-officers-to-pin-unsolved-crimes-on-random-black): The police chief in a small Florida town is accused of encouraging his officers to pin unsolved crimes on random, nearby black people so the department would have a better arrest record, The Miami Herald reported Thursday. Boy, I really don’t have anything to add to that. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14107 "2018-07-12T18:54:31Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > How’s this for a[fun article](http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/396720-florida-police-chief-told-officers-to-pin-unsolved-crimes-on-random-black): > > The police chief in a small Florida town is accused of encouraging his officers to pin unsolved crimes on random, nearby black people so the department would have a better arrest record, The Miami Herald reported Thursday. > > Boy, I really don’t have anything to add to that. Yeah, but that’s just one isolated instance of a corrupt police department. It’s not like PDs in other cities are doing anything corrupt like that. Oh wait: [1,700 cases affected by corrupt Baltimore police Gun Trace Task Force, State’s Attorney Mosby says](http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-mosby-gttf-20180605-story.html) [Ferguson Police Routinely Violate Rights of Blacks, Justice Dept. Finds](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html) That’s probably just the media though. The media is to blame for those instances. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14108 "2018-07-12T19:00:28Z")
> [@](#): > > “The letters said police were doing a lot of bad things,” Shafran said. “It said police officers were directed to pick up people of color and blame the crimes on them.” Well, that’s just good old-fashioned police work. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14109 "2018-07-12T19:07:13Z")
[Chicago Cop’s Viral Video Exchange With 2 Men Spurs Investigation](https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/07/09/facebook-chicago-police-video/) I suppose the silver lining is that no one was shot. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14110 "2018-07-12T22:36:46Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > Yeah, but based on past history he’ll be working as a police officer in another jurisdiction before the end of the month. Perhaps. But FTR, this is the Forest Preserves tweet: [INDENT] Effective today, Officer Patrick Connor no longer serves in the police department of the Forest Preserves of Cook County. He resigned late today. But that isn’t where our work ends. [/INDENT] And here’s their longer facebook post: [Forest Preserve District of Cook County](https://www.facebook.com/FPDCC/posts/10156083099375129) [INDENT] As we announced last night, Officer Patrick Conner no longer serves in the police department of the Forest Preserves of Cook County. He resigned late in the day yesterday, while our investigation was still underway. Further, his personnel file will reflect that this officer did not resign in good standing, with a note indicating he left the district with “discipline pending”. … I am sincerely sorry this happened. I’ve seen the video, and I am outraged that this would happen anywhere, but especially sad it happened in our Forest Preserves. Clearly, our work isn’t done. Certain aspects of the investigation are continuing… [/INDENT] Police reform is a heavy lift. The Forest Preserves seems to be making the right sort of noises: we should give better policies the respect they are due, while maintaining standards. It’s difficult to see other ways forward. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14111 "2018-07-13T01:47:11Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > … > > I suppose the silver lining is that no one was shot. … this time. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14112 "2018-07-15T03:34:59Z")
[Chicago; right now](https://apnews.com/fe5d8096bb2b4d16808162207ab6fa4b/Protests-erupt-after-man-fatally-shot-by-Chicago-police); > [@](#): > > An angry crowd gathered Saturday evening after a Chicago police officer fatally shot a man on the city’s South Side, and some protesters scuffled with police. > > Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said the shooting happened when officers on foot in the South Shore neighborhood tried to question a man “exhibiting characteristics of an armed person.” > > Larry Merritt, a fire department spokesman, said the man was taken to Jackson Park Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. > > No police officers were injured, Guglielmi said. A weapon was recovered at the scene, he said, but did not say whether the man was armed when he was shot. > > A scuffle later broke out at the scene of the shooting between chanting protesters and police officers holding batons. Video showed several police officers and protesters shoving each other. The Chicago Sun-Times said a few protesters were taken away by police. > > After nightfall, protesters continued to mill around the neighborhood with police occasionally chasing them away. Protesters shouted insults at the police and threw some bottles at them. Video showed one protester thrown to the ground surrounded by police holding batons. > > Chicago has a troubled history of police shootings. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14113 "2018-07-15T06:28:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Chicago; right now](https://apnews.com/fe5d8096bb2b4d16808162207ab6fa4b/Protests-erupt-after-man-fatally-shot-by-Chicago-police); Was listening to a police scanner early this evening and heard it. Guy had a holster and police did find magazines and a pistol on his person. Seemed as though he did not comply when they told him to put his weapon down and put his hands up. District 3 (Woodlawn) I believe it was, 460.075Mhz I think there are apps that allow you to tune into different frequencies for phones, in case there are future protests so you can get an earful of what goes on. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14114 "2018-07-16T17:20:07Z")
This most recent Chicago shooting seems to me to another case of citing the wrong incident in support of your cause. I don’t know what could be considered controversial about this one. That body cam video is pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14115 "2018-07-16T17:35:17Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > This most recent Chicago shooting seems to me to another case of citing the wrong incident in support of your cause. I don’t know what could be considered controversial about this one. That body cam video is pretty clear. I haven’t seen it yet, but in some cases things are controversial because we don’t have all the information needed to accurately assess events. This seems to be one of those cases, from accounts I’ve read. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14116 "2018-07-16T17:43:02Z")
I just watched [the video embedded within this AP story](https://apnews.com/a3a3971780ec44e3a133fe1d76c73d79/Chicago-activist-demands-all-footage-from-police-shooting). There is no audio from the body cam, but the description of events from someone who seems to be a witness doesn’t seem to match with the video footage. I thought Superintendent Johnson did a great job with his decision-making, his consultation with the family of the deceased and his interpretation of the police department’s mission and purpose. I looks like there are more cameras with footage tho, and possibly 2 with audio, so there may still be more new information coming forth. We’ll see eventually, eh. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14117 "2018-07-16T18:17:00Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > This most recent Chicago shooting seems to me to another case of citing the wrong incident in support of your cause. I don’t know what could be considered controversial about this one. That body cam video is pretty clear. But what initiated the interaction (can’t watch video at work). From a quoted news article above: > [@](#): > > exhibiting characteristics of an armed person What the heck does that mean? And why isn’t the NRA jumping in here to defend the 2nd Amendment? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14118 "2018-07-18T15:58:41Z")
[Minneapolis for this one](https://apnews.com/3b5e570f574c4b39b508e85fea9dca73/Black-teens-detained-after-bogus-911-call-decry-police): > [@](#): > > Three black teenagers say they feared for their lives when they were confronted by Minneapolis Park Police officers who were responding to a bogus 911 report that they were armed. > > The June 10 incident at Minnehaha Park drew widespread attention after a bystander recorded part of it and posted a video to Facebook that’s been viewed over 2.8 million times. > > The officers were responding to a female 911 caller who falsely reported that four teens were following her boyfriend and wielding knives and sticks. Park police released the four after finding they were unarmed and hearing witness accounts that contradicted the caller’s story. The department has since said the call was “misleading” and apologized to the boys. > > At a news conference Monday called by the Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, 14-year-old Aden Aden said he and his friends were just trying to have fun when a white kid confronted them. Witnesses have corroborated that account. > [@](#): > > The woman shooting the video says she saw a boy about 17 years old confront the younger boys and threaten them with a knife. She points out that one of the black teens is being bitten by mosquitoes and that the officer won’t allow him to put his shirt back on. Two of the boys can be seen in the video with their hands cuffed behind their backs as they ushered into the back of a patrol car. > > The families of the boys, who are Somali-American, are considering legal action, said Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Minnesota CAIR chapter, who called the 911 call a hate crime Not just a hate crime, IMO; this was attempted murder. And the cops acted like fucking idiots; thank Og they didn’t fucking kill anyone. [Here’s the video](https://www.facebook.com/100009540099134/videos/pcb.2043691325958851/2043689579292359/?type=3&theater). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14119 "2018-07-18T16:44:15Z")
Perhaps the boys were “exhibiting characteristics of an armed person”? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14120 "2018-07-21T22:20:51Z")
[When you see what the story is, you prolly won’t be surprised to learn that it’s from Jasper, Alabama](https://apnews.com/81a8d4c398c149e09735ce1eade75f1b). > [@](#): > > Jasper Mayor David O’Mary tells news outlets the four Jasper officers have been suspended and will lose a week’s pay following the publication of a photograph in the Jasper Daily Mountain Eagle on July 12. O’Mary is pictured in that photo alongside several officers, four of whom are making an upside-down “OK” sign with their fingers. He says some have claimed the gesture is meant to express “white power.” > > The mayor says he arranged that photo to recognize the narcotics team following a drug bust. He says he hasn’t asked the officers what they meant by the gesture, but says they showed “poor judgment.” It was even poorer judgement not to fire these racists immediately, IMO. The picture is at the top of the linked page. Counting from left, #1, 2, 5 & 6 are all flashing an upside down ok sign. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14121 "2018-07-21T23:41:00Z")
The Sheriff of Texas County, Missouri let his girlfriend work as a deputy even though she hadn’t completed her training or being sworn in. She also brought in an unidentified minor girl to play police. [https://www.officer.com/command-hq/news/21014266/report-missouri-sheriff-let-girlfriend-act-as-deputy-before-hiring-her](https://www.officer.com/command-hq/news/21014266/report-missouri-sheriff-let-girlfriend-act-as-deputy-before-hiring-her) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=705) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=707)