# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1401 "2015-04-02T20:49:54Z")
…a woman has been arrested and jailed [for following local police instructions](http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/314z1z/woman_arrested_for_resisting_arrest_after_putting/?sort=new) about pulling over at traffic stops. The local cop who wanted her to ignore these instructions charged her with resisting a LEO, which is a felony in Indiana, whether or not you resist arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1402 "2015-04-02T20:51:51Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > Did you not notice he agrees that the cop in this situation is in the wrong. But not without taking a shot at the cop’s victim. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1403 "2015-04-02T21:30:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Uber driver = taxi driver” is not an established legal fact. You might believe this is so, but that doesn’t mean that it is definitely true according to the law. And it might be so according to the law in some places, while the law is different in other localities. The law does not = **Smapti** ’s feelings and interpretations. Then why don’t you explain the difference between what an Uber driver does and what a taxi driver does? **Smapti** ’s characterization of the Uber driver is correct; my cite is the state of Nevada. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1404 "2015-04-02T21:32:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > When we’re discussing matters of law and legal treatment (and assertions that drivers are breaking the law), then it absolutely is a matter of law, and more than just the meanings of words. And you’ll notice that the Uber driver is a licensed livery driver, and thus, a cabdriver. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1405 "2015-04-02T21:35:50Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > …a woman has been arrested and jailed [for following local police instructions](http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/314z1z/woman_arrested_for_resisting_arrest_after_putting/?sort=new) about pulling over at traffic stops. The local cop who wanted her to ignore these instructions charged her with resisting a LEO, which is a felony in Indiana, whether or not you resist arrest. Sorry, but I couldn’t find what you were referring to on that horribly formatted textvomit forum page; do you have a news article you could link to? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1406 "2015-04-02T21:38:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Then why don’t you explain the difference between what an Uber driver does and what a taxi driver does? > > **Smapti** ’s characterization of the Uber driver is correct; my cite is the state of Nevada. It might be correct for Nevada (or it may not – you’ve provided no cite, of course), but that doesn’t make it correct everywhere or anywhere else. I honestly don’t know the legal status of Uber everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1407 "2015-04-02T21:42:35Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Plaincloths cop acts like an asshole jerkface to an Uber driver, caught on tape](http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Uber-Driver-Rant-Parking-West-Village-NYPD-Internal-Affairs-Bureau-Probe-Traffic-Stop-298198631.html). [Plainclothes cop who acted like and asshole jerkface to an Uber driver on video now stripped of badge and gun, placed on “modified duty”. > [@](#): > > “No good cop should watch that video without a wince,” Commissioner Bill Bratton said at a Wednesday press conference. “Because all good cops know that officer just made their jobs a little bit harder.” > “In that kind of encounter, anger like that is unacceptable,” Bratton continued. “In any encounter, discourtesy and obscene language like that is unacceptable. > “That officer’s behavior reflected poorly on everyone who wears our uniform.” ]([Cop who berated Uber driver is stripped of badge and gun](http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/)) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1408 "2015-04-02T21:43:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Plainclothes cop who acted like and asshole jerkface to an Uber driver on video now stripped of badge and gun, placed on “modified duty”/](http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/) Sounds good! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1409 "2015-04-02T21:50:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It might be correct for Nevada (or it may not – you’ve provided no cite, of course), but that doesn’t make it correct everywhere or anywhere else. > > I honestly don’t know the legal status of Uber everywhere. Oh sorry, you must have missed the other Uber threads where I posted links to how Nevada shut them down because they were illegally operating a taxi service in the state. It was national news, since Nevada is the only state with the balls to enforce their laws, but I suppose it was easily missed, what with Thanksgiving and all. [ > [@](#): > > Uber suspended operations in Nevada Wednesday just at the height of the Thanksgiving rush when a Washoe County District Judge in Nevada issued a preliminary injunction preventing Uber from operating statewide. ]([http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/28/uber-travel-nevada-becomes-first-state-shut-down-u/](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/28/uber-travel-nevada-becomes-first-state-shut-down-u/)) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1410 "2015-04-02T21:56:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Oh sorry, you must have missed the other Uber threads where I posted links to how Nevada shut them down because they were illegally operating a taxi service in the state. It was national news, since Nevada is the only state with the balls to enforce their laws, but I suppose it was easily missed, what with Thanksgiving and all. > [url=[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/28/uber-travel-nevada-becomes-first-state-shut-down-u/](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/28/uber-travel-nevada-becomes-first-state-shut-down-u/)] Thanks. I’ve enjoyed this pleasant discussion with a fellow Doper pal in which you’ve helped me understand something about Nevada (but nowhere else) that I didn’t know before. I look forward to future friendly discussions on this and other topics!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1411 "2015-04-02T22:21:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Plainclothes cop who acted like and asshole jerkface to an Uber driver on video now stripped of badge and gun, placed on “modified duty”.](http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/) Fired is all I will find acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1412 "2015-04-02T23:06:02Z")
Anyone else see the irony in a cop being swiftly fired for being rude, but when he shoots and kills an unarmed person, no biggie? I mean, I’m glad the jerk was fired. But dayum, the irony burns. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1413 "2015-04-02T23:21:11Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Anyone else see the irony in a cop being swiftly fired for being rude, but when he shoots and kills an unarmed person, no biggie? > > I mean, I’m glad the jerk was fired. But dayum, the irony burns. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1414 "2015-04-02T23:38:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Sorry, but I couldn’t find what you were referring to on that horribly formatted textvomit forum page; do you have a news article you could link to? [Here’s one](http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/sheriff-woman-defiant-not-scared-in-delayed-traffic-stop-case/article_cc3551a4-27b6-5dd7-9cbe-cc0d88f5528f.html). The local paper is being careful not to antagonize the department by mentioning their prior advisory about traffic stops; unfortunately, I have not yet pinned down a cite for same. BTW, that “textvomit” is called [Reddit](http://www.reddit.com). It gets easy to use pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1415 "2015-04-02T23:50:34Z")
I would highly suggest everyone get over the Uber/Taxi debate as there are probably 50 different right and wrong answers. Ubers status in many states is highly debatable to the point of its own thread for any given state. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1416 "2015-04-02T23:56:09Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > I would highly suggest everyone get over the Uber/Taxi debate as there are probably 50 different right and wrong answers. Ubers status in many states is highly debatable to the point of its own thread for any given state. But if we do it here, we can call each other naughty names. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1417 "2015-04-03T00:07:26Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Except, as I mentioned, taxi and livery are different in NYC. I think. Taxis are hailed from the street, are yellow and have city issued medallions. Livery cars are usually dark in color and run off radio dispatch and are not generally allowed to pick up hailed fares from the streets. Most frequently, they are used to ferry employees of client companies to and from work or the airports, but individuals may call the companies to make their own private arrangements. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1418 "2015-04-03T00:21:04Z")
[Witness: NJ police punched, kicked, allowed dog to bite Phillip White before he died in custody](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/01/1374779/-Witness-Jersey-police-punched-kicked-and-dog-bit-Phillip-White-s-face-before-he-died-in-custody?detail=email) > [@](#): > > “They punched him, stomped him, kicked him and then they let the dog out of the car,” said Ricardo Garcia. “The dog bit him on his face and around his body. There’s no call for that. Once a man is handcuffed and unconscious, you should have stuck him in the patrol car and take him to the police station. Instead they decided to beat him right here.” [TheDailyJournal](http://www.thedailyjournal.com/story/news/local/2015/03/31/prosecutor-investigating-death-man-police-custody/70733530/) This second story mentions the dead man had been resisting arrest and that a cop at the scene had stated the dead man tried to take his gun. Might turn out to be a non-story as far as cop misbehavior goes. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1419 "2015-04-03T00:54:18Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Witness: NJ police punched, kicked, allowed dog to bite Phillip White before he died in custody](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/01/1374779/-Witness-Jersey-police-punched-kicked-and-dog-bit-Phillip-White-s-face-before-he-died-in-custody?detail=email) > [TheDailyJournal](http://www.thedailyjournal.com/story/news/local/2015/03/31/prosecutor-investigating-death-man-police-custody/70733530/) > This second story mentions the dead man had been resisting arrest and that a cop at the scene had stated the dead man tried to take his gun. > > Might turn out to be a non-story as far as cop misbehavior goes. Why is this dog trained to attack an unconscious person? Answer: because this is a police state. ---
**Author:** ![TCMF-2L](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tcmf-2l/32/16553_2.png) [@TCMF-2L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TCMF-2L)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1420 "2015-04-03T01:05:32Z")
Police dogs are trained but don’t always act as expected. Here is an example of a British (Police State) Police dog getting over excited by rowdy crowds at a football (soccer) match and attacking a policeman. Who is in uniform. [http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/a-police-dog-attacks-a-policeman-at-london-bridge-station-as-millwall-and-leeds-fans-have-a-face-off/](http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/a-police-dog-attacks-a-policeman-at-london-bridge-station-as-millwall-and-leeds-fans-have-a-face-off/) TCMF-2L [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=72)