# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 712
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14222 "2018-08-28T18:25:26Z")
The Warren Commission, in cooperation with the Illuminati. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14223 "2018-08-28T18:45:50Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The Warren Commission, in cooperation with the Illuminati. > > Regards, > Shodan I knew it! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14224 "2018-08-28T19:34:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That seems like a fairly easy thing to verify. According (allegedly) to [the police report](https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/08/27/baltimore-police-detective-sean-suiter-suicide-investigation/), he was shot with his own service revolver. I would hope an autopsy could establish how many times he was shot, and how many bullets were gone from his weapon. Were any other bullets recovered from the scene? Was it a contact or near-contact wound? The article mentions there was surveillance video from the scene - what does it show? Was there anybody else around? > > Regards, > Shodan It would nice if someone without a vested interest in his death gathered that information. Maybe the Sheriffs Department or the State Police could spare a couple of guys. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14225 "2018-08-28T20:54:55Z")
[In some good news, a jury in Texas found a cop guilty of murdering black teenager Jordan Edwards.](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/08/28/jurors-reach-verdict-case-cop-killed-15-year-old-jordan-edwards) The cop said he fired because he feared for his partner’s life, but his partner never fired his own gun, and the partner also said that he did not fear that the car was going to run him over. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14226 "2018-08-28T21:00:11Z")
[Ad Blocker friendly](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-texas-police-officer-roy-oliver-found-guilty-murder-shooting-n904166) version of the story. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14227 "2018-08-28T22:22:58Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [Fired cop who killed 15-year-old Jordan Edwards indicted on murder charge](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2017/07/17/fired-cop-killed-15-year-old-jordan-edwards-indicted-murder) > > Just have to wait and see how this one turns out. > [@](#): > > A former Texas police officer has been found guilty of murder for fatally shooting an unarmed teenager as the boy was leaving a house party in a car full of other youngsters. > > Jurors convicted Roy Oliver on Tuesday in a Dallas county courtroom, on the second day of deliberations. > **[Texas: ex-officer who killed unarmed black teen sentenced to 15 years](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/28/jordan-edwards-murder-roy-oliver-convicted)** > > Roy Oliver was found guilty for fatally shooting Jordan Edwards, but the Edwards family has criticized the length of the sentence ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14228 "2018-08-29T01:01:20Z")
Good. I hope his appeals falter. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14229 "2018-08-29T12:16:04Z")
…shoplifter hides in person’s house. Police blow up house to flush out the shoplifter. Boom. Police only offer $5000 in compensation. > **[Cops destroyed man's house with explosives to flush out hiding shoplifter,...](https://boingboing.net/2018/08/27/cops-destroyed-mans-house-wi.html)** > > A homeowner is suing police in Greenwood Village, Colorado, after they destroyed his house with explosives to flush out a shoplifter hiding there. The cops maintained a 19-hour siege to collar Robe… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14230 "2018-08-29T12:28:08Z")
In Polk County, Iowa, which is 88.34% white and only 4.84% black, Officer Kyle Thies has made 282 traffic stops…[and every driver has been black.](https://boingboing.net/2018/08/16/problem-cop-in-polk-county-exp.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14231 "2018-08-29T13:12:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Good. I hope his appeals falter. He’s got an O.K. chance of them working. Probably less than 50%, were I betting on it, but more than the needle in a haystack that most murder appeals are hunting for. Weird trial, where the jury acquitted on agg. assault with a deadly, yet convicted for murder. Weirder still that he took the stand, which is how I’m guessing the incident of road rage, that he was alleged to have had two weeks prior to the shooting, made it in front of the jury. Honestly, after having watched his (very blurry and dark) body cam video, I don’t see his actions constituting murder. He articulated at the time that he thought he was defending his partner from a speeding car. He was completely wrong, per his partner’s testimony, (which is another weird aspect of this trial), but being wrong in good faith doesn’t normally mean the mens rea for murder was present. I do see enough recklessness for a manslaughter conviction though. Which makes the aggravated assault acquittal even more puzzling. Oh well, bad cop. Off to jail with him, and good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14232 "2018-08-29T13:33:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In Polk County, Iowa, which is 88.34% white and only 4.84% black, Officer Kyle Thies has made 282 traffic stops…[and every driver has been black.](https://boingboing.net/2018/08/16/problem-cop-in-polk-county-exp.html) That’s probably because blacks are 4,525% more likely to be doing stuff that necessitates being pulled over. It’s not the cops fault. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14233 "2018-08-29T14:16:42Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …shoplifter hides in person’s house. > > Police blow up house to flush out the shoplifter. Boom. > > Police only offer $5000 in compensation. > > [https://boingboing.net/2018/08/27/cops-destroyed-mans-house-wi.html](https://boingboing.net/2018/08/27/cops-destroyed-mans-house-wi.html) This is mind boggling. In what scenario is it acceptable to use explosives on a third party property to catch a freaking shop lifter? ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14234 "2018-08-30T02:15:52Z")
Fuck the police. This dude barely weighs 100 pound and is getting beaten down with cuffs on. [Video of Vallejo arrest stirs criticism of police use of force](https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Video-of-Vallejo-arrest-stirs-criticism-of-police-13183676.php)? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14235 "2018-08-30T04:20:53Z")
Denver police arrest a reporter for filming them during the arrest of a black man, tell her to “act like a lady”. > **[Bodycam footage shows police handcuffing journalist, telling her to ‘act like...](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/404301-bodycam-footage-shows-police-handcuffing-journalist-telling-her-to-act-like-a/?__twitter_impression=true)** > > Bodycam footage released on Tuesday shows Denver police detaining a journalist attempting to photograph them as they were responding to an incident on a public sidewalk.Susan Greene, editor of The … ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14236 "2018-08-30T11:24:06Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Denver police arrest a reporter for filming them during the arrest of a black man, tell her to “act like a lady”. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/404301-bodycam-footage-shows-police-handcuffing-journalist-telling-her-to-act-like-a?\_\_twitter\_impression=true](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/404301-bodycam-footage-shows-police-handcuffing-journalist-telling-her-to-act-like-a?__twitter_impression=true) **Starving Artist** is a cop?:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14237 "2018-08-30T12:04:55Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > [In some good news, a jury in Texas found a cop guilty of murdering black teenager Jordan Edwards.](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/08/28/jurors-reach-verdict-case-cop-killed-15-year-old-jordan-edwards) > > The cop said he fired because he feared for his partner’s life, but his partner never fired his own gun, and the partner also said that he did not fear that the car was going to run him over. Sentenced to 15 years, with a 10K fine. [https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/08/29/defense-hopes-show-jury-real-roy-oliver-seeking-mercy-ex-cop-murdered-jordan-edwards](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/08/29/defense-hopes-show-jury-real-roy-oliver-seeking-mercy-ex-cop-murdered-jordan-edwards) We’ll see if it sticks. FWIW, 15 years is more in the line of sentencing for a felony of the second degree (manslaughter, murder under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause) rather than a felony of the first degree like non-capital murder. 2nd degree felonies have a sentence range of 2-20 years in prison; First degree felonies have a sentence range of 5-99 years. Capital felonies get you either the death penalty or life with or without parole, depending if you were over 18 or not when you committed the crime. See Title 3, Chapter 12 and Title 5, Chapter 19, of the Texas Penal Code: [https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/](https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14238 "2018-08-31T16:32:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Denver police arrest a reporter for filming them during the arrest of a black man, tell her to “act like a lady”. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/404301-bodycam-footage-shows-police-handcuffing-journalist-telling-her-to-act-like-a?\_\_twitter\_impression=true](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/404301-bodycam-footage-shows-police-handcuffing-journalist-telling-her-to-act-like-a?__twitter_impression=true) > [@](#): > > District Attorney Beth McCann told Greene that the office would not press charges against the officers, but noted that officer telling her to “act like a lady” was “a little unnecessary.” Telling her to act like a lady was a little unnecessary? How about arresting her when no crime was being committed?? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14239 "2018-08-31T17:59:15Z")
St. Louis’s City Prosecutor has told the Police Chief that she will no longer prosecute cases involving 28 named police officers. > **[St. Louis prosecutor says she will no longer accept cases from 28 city police...](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-prosecutor-says-she-will-no-longer-accept-cases/article_6d8def16-d08d-5e9a-80ba-f5f5446b7b6a.html)** > > St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner provided the police department an "exclusion list" of officers. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14240 "2018-08-31T18:11:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > St. Louis’s City Prosecutor has told the Police Chief that she will no longer prosecute cases involving 28 named police officers. > [St. Louis prosecutor says she will no longer accept cases from 28 city police officers](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-prosecutor-says-she-will-no-longer-accept-cases/article_6d8def16-d08d-5e9a-80ba-f5f5446b7b6a.html) Whoa. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14241 "2018-09-01T03:03:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Vanessa Marquez, a former actor on the television show ER, was shot and killed by police during a welfare check at her home in South Pasadena, California. Marquez, 49, played nurse Wendy Goldman on the hit series from 1994 to 1997. > > Lt Joe Mendoza of the Los Angeles county sheriff’s department told reporters Friday that officers arrived at the 1100 block of Fremont Avenue on Thursday morning, after a call from Marquez’s landlord. According to the South Pasadenan, the lieutenant said Marquez seemed “gravely disabled”. … > > When South Pasadena police arrived around noon, Mendoza said Marquez “was undergoing some medical problems, some seizures”. After speaking with an LA county mental health clinician and officers for 90 minutes, “she became very uncooperative”. > **[Former ER actor Vanessa Marquez shot and killed by police](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/31/vanessa-marquez-er-actor-shot-killed-police)** > > Marquez, who appeared on the series from 1994 to 1997, was killed during a welfare check at her home in California So why can’t the police just withdraw instead of killing someone with mental health problems when she is in her own home? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=711) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=713)