# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 718
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14342 "2018-09-21T23:03:11Z")
This is the problem with American Justice. What these cops did was far more evil and more injurious to society as a whole that then what they framed others for doing. They should hang from tallest tree and their corpses should rot there. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14343 "2018-09-23T14:22:37Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [8 prisoners released, 263 cases under review after Florida deputy accused of planting drugs](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/09/21/judge-releases-prisoners-deputy-misconduct-probe-expands/1381596002/) > > I hope life behind bars is an option for this asshole. Run all the sentences separately and consecutively. That should do it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14344 "2018-09-23T14:24:08Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > This is the problem with American Justice. What these cops did was far more evil and more injurious to society as a whole that then what they framed others for doing. > > They should hang from tallest tree and their corpses should rot there. Life with no hope of parole or release, and then bury them in the prison yard - or leave them for the rats. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14345 "2018-09-23T15:59:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Run all the sentences separately and consecutively. That should do it. I am against vigilante justice, and against revenge, but that is because I believe that a properly functioning justice system is vastly preferable to vigilante justice system. However, if someone subverts the justice system, and uses it to create injustice, then they have absolved themselves of deserving of justice themselves, IMHO. As a citizen, breaking the law subjects you to the justice system, and while I would like to see a number of reforms made to it, that is probably much better than many alternatives. However, as a member of the justice system, breaking the law breaks the justice system. You have decided that justice is not good enough for the citizens, so it cannot be good enough for you either. I normally feel that the victims of a crime are those least able to determine a reasonable punishment for their aggressors, but for this, I say, we let the people wrongfully convicted decide what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14346 "2018-09-23T16:45:16Z")
Another side of this is that the people who actually did what they were convicted for will be released because of his actions. If the only time he planted evidence was that one that was recorded (I don’t believe that), it still throws reasonable doubt on every case he’s ever touched. So Merry Christmas to everyone that pulled a get-out-of-jail-free card from this moron. Any guesses as to the millions of dollars in settlements this is going to lead to? ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14347 "2018-09-23T20:25:07Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Any guesses as to the millions of dollars in settlements this is going to lead to? In some states, wrongful incarceration gets you nothing for compensation and you can’t sue. In FL, if the person has a prior criminal history, all you get is released. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14348 "2018-09-23T23:31:28Z")
Maryland police raid wrong address, two officers shot by resident. Astonishingly, resident won’t be charged. Let’s hope he isn’t investigated by police. [https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/serious-co](https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/serious-co) > [@](#): > > FORESTVILLE, Md. (ABC7) — Two Prince George’s County Police officers were injured after a man opened fire with a shotgun at the Forestville apartment building where they were attempting to serve a warrant around 10 p.m. Wednesday night. > The man who fired the gun will not be charged. That’s because he was not the suspect they were after. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14349 "2018-09-24T00:21:25Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Maryland police raid wrong address, two officers shot by resident. Astonishingly, resident won’t be charged. Let’s hope he isn’t investigated by police. > > [https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/serious-co](https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/serious-co) Hopefully, but don’t be surprised if they try to “cook something up” in reprisal. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14350 "2018-09-24T03:21:30Z")
“We just happened to find drugs at the crime scene.” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14351 "2018-10-04T19:11:19Z")
Here’s a depressing case. A police officer was chasing a suspect through back alleys and houses in Indianapolis. The officer sent his canine partner after the suspect. The canine went into a back yard, causing the dogs living at that address to start barking. The resident of the house, a pregnant woman, went out the back to see what was going on, and the police dog attacked her. The resident filed a lawsuit against the city. The [judgment](https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.insd.67411/gov.uscourts.insd.67411.80.0.pdf) (PDF) describes the outcome of the dog’s attack on the woman: > [@](#): > > Mancini was pregnant with K.C. at the time of the attack. She sustained extensive flesh-tearing injuries which required emergency care and surgery. Her wounds became infected and additional emergency surgery was required. The extreme stress of the injuries caused Mancini to experience complications with her pregnancy and K.C. was born one month early with signs of his mother’s infection and he was addicted to the narcotics prescribed for Mancini’s pain following the dog attack. And from the ruling itself: > [@](#): > > The undisputed evidence is that Mancini was not the intended object of the officers’ efforts to seize the fleeing suspect. Stewart’s release of Scooter, intending to seize the fleeing suspect does not > mean that the officers intended to seize any other person—just as in _Bublitz_, the officer’s decision to set up a spike strip did not mean that the officer intended to seize just any driver that happened to drive by. _Bublitz_ specifically rejected the broad reading of “intentionally applied” advanced by Plaintiffs. There are a plethora of cases which confirm that “intentionally applied” requires the intent to restrain a particular person. Accordingly, the Court finds that no seizure occurred and summary judgment is granted on the Fourth Amendment claim. So, basically, because the dog mauled an innocent bystander in her own back yard, rather than the feeling suspect, and the officer’s intent was to send the dog after the fleeing suspect, the innocent bystander has her claims against the city dismissed. And, summing up: > [@](#): > > Mancini and her son K.C., suffered horrendous injuries and a grievous lack of discretion by the officers; however, a grievous lack of discretion does not suffice to state a constitutional cause of action under binding Seventh Circuit precedent. For the foregoing reasons, the Court GRANTS the City’s Motion for Summary Judgment… As the conclusion notes, this court relied on an earlier ruling by the 7th Circuit in a case (Bublitz) where the police laid spike strips to stop a fleeing car, and when the car ran over the strips it veered across the road and crashed into a minivan, killing a man and his son. In that case, too, the claims made by the family of the dead father and son were dismissed because they were collateral damage, and not the intended target. I guess that when the police injure or kill you intentionally, you probably did something to deserve it; and when they injure or kill you when they were actually chasing someone else, you’re also out of luck. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14352 "2018-10-04T19:34:21Z")
A good piece of news: [Man kills one officer and injures 4 other officers, but they managed to take him in alive.](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/at-least-5-officers-shot-in-south-carolina-active-shooter-incident-police-say/846185343) Guess they didn’t fear this guy was a threat to their lives. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14353 "2018-10-05T14:45:55Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [8 prisoners released, 263 cases under review after Florida deputy accused of planting drugs](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/09/21/judge-releases-prisoners-deputy-misconduct-probe-expands/1381596002/) > > I hope life behind bars is an option for this asshole. It should be. Try each incident as a separate case, and run the sentences sequentially. Ten years for this guilty. Five years for the next. Twenty for the one after that. Etc. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14354 "2018-10-05T18:26:37Z")
What the fuck is with Baltimore Cops??? [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/on-duty-baltimore-police-officer-found-drunk-slumped-in-car/ar-BBNXIQZ](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/on-duty-baltimore-police-officer-found-drunk-slumped-in-car/ar-BBNXIQZ) > [@](#): > > A Baltimore police officer has been fired after he was found intoxicated and slumped over at the wheel of his patrol vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14355 "2018-10-05T19:25:01Z")
Just posted a thread in GD - CPD officer Van Duke guilty of 2d degree (rather than 1st) for shooting Laquan McDonald 16x. Faces minimum of 6 years. Hopefully no riots will ensue. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14356 "2018-10-05T20:17:49Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > What the fuck is with Baltimore Cops??? Hey, it’s f@&$in’ Baltimore. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14357 "2018-10-12T20:25:08Z")
> **[Amid massive public outcry, Tamir Rice's killer won't be a cop again after...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/10/1803501/-Amid-massive-public-outcry-Tamir-Rice-s-killer-won-t-be-a-cop-again-after-all-for-now)** > > Less than one week after former Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann, killer of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, was offered a “second chance” and a new badge and gun in the southeast Ohio village of Bellaire, the disgraced cop has rescinded his... **Amid massive public outcry, Tamir Rice’s killer won’t be a cop again after all—for now** Less than one week after former Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann, killer of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, was offered a “second chance” and a new badge and gun in the southeast Ohio village of Bellaire, the disgraced cop has rescinded his own application. In addition to a coordinated social media protest, Samaria Rice, Tamir’s mother, had planned to protest inside the town of about 4,100 in order to get the police chief, Dick Flanagan, to reconsider. … Flanagan defended his choice to hire Loehmann alongside another troubled Ohio police officer, Eric Smith, who is currently under investigation by the state attorney general. Bellaire Police Chief Richard “Dick” Flanagan confirmed Friday that he hired Loehmann and Smith. He said he believes both men deserve second chances. … Samaria Rice summed up Loehmann’s lack of qualifications best. “He is emotionally unstable and mentally unstable,” Rice said of Loehmann. “Anytime your mother has to come and get you off a gun range, you are a problem. I think that town and that police department are going to be in danger.” … ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14358 "2018-10-12T22:26:14Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > [Amid massive public outcry, Tamir Rice's killer won't be a cop again after all—for now](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/10/1803501/-Amid-massive-public-outcry-Tamir-Rice-s-killer-won-t-be-a-cop-again-after-all-for-now) > **Amid massive public outcry, Tamir Rice’s killer won’t be a cop again after all—for now** > Less than one week after former Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann, killer of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, was offered a “second chance” and a new badge and gun in the southeast Ohio village of Bellaire, the disgraced cop has rescinded his own application. > In addition to a coordinated social media protest, Samaria Rice, Tamir’s mother, had planned to protest inside the town of about 4,100 in order to get the police chief, Dick Flanagan, to reconsider. > … > Flanagan defended his choice to hire Loehmann alongside another troubled Ohio police officer, Eric Smith, who is currently under investigation by the state attorney general. > Bellaire Police Chief Richard “Dick” Flanagan confirmed Friday that he hired Loehmann and Smith. He said he believes both men deserve second chances. > … > Samaria Rice summed up Loehmann’s lack of qualifications best. > “He is emotionally unstable and mentally unstable,” Rice said of Loehmann. “Anytime your mother has to come and get you off a gun range, you are a problem. I think that town and that police department are going to be in danger.” > … Why do people deserve second chances when their “mistake” ended up killing a human being, but we never even think to consider giving these second chances to anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14359 "2018-10-13T04:29:44Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Why do people deserve second chances when their “mistake” ended up killing a human being, but we never even think to consider giving these second chances to anyone else. We give second chances to people that rape and commit sexual assault too, not just murderers. Remember, these people are victims too. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14360 "2018-10-13T04:50:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Why do people deserve second chances when their “mistake” ended up killing a human being, but we never even think to consider giving these second chances to anyone else. I suspect the reason that he was getting a “second chance” (actually a third chance as he had already been fired by another town before his hiring by Cleveland) is that damaged goods are cheap. These tiny police departments do not have a reputation for attracting talent. Ohio has way too many small local governments, and one of the consequences is that shitty cops can skate by for years by moving between jobs. (See [this story](http://radio.wosu.org/post/year-after-kirkersville-shootings-new-police-chief-dogged-criminal-history#stream/0) from my area as an example. And then the [followup](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/01/kirkersville-ohio-police-chief-overdosed-drugs-allegedly-evidence-room/884382002/) demonstrating just how well his new job went.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14361 "2018-10-13T06:46:01Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > (See [this story](http://radio.wosu.org/post/year-after-kirkersville-shootings-new-police-chief-dogged-criminal-history#stream/0) from my area as an example. And then the [followup](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/01/kirkersville-ohio-police-chief-overdosed-drugs-allegedly-evidence-room/884382002/) demonstrating just how well his new job went.) Wait, Police Chief was not a salaried position in that town? That does not seem right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=717) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=719)