# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 719
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14362 "2018-10-13T11:44:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Wait, Police Chief was not a salaried position in that town? That does not seem right. Small towns are weird that way. When my town’s chief of police was arrested for selling confiscated guns, I found out that his wife was bringing home more money from her minimum wage cashier job. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14363 "2018-10-14T02:06:32Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Wait, Police Chief was not a salaried position in that town? That does not seem right. The village can’t legally have a police department without a chief, so if it only has one part-time officer, he or she has to be the chief. Most of the time, law enforcement issues in that town are handled by the county sheriff’s office. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14364 "2018-10-14T20:47:05Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Small towns are weird that way. When my town’s chief of police was arrested for selling confiscated guns, I found out that his wife was bringing home more money from her minimum wage cashier job. Wait… is one of us misunderstanding the word “minimum”? I know a lot of small town cops don’t make a lot of money (unlike state police), but I’ve never heard of any making only minimum wage. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14365 "2018-10-15T05:22:08Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Wait… is one of us misunderstanding the word “minimum”? Presumably she worked more hours than he did. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14366 "2018-10-15T10:58:27Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Presumably she worked more hours than he did. Yep. Overtime noted her paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14367 "2018-10-16T04:20:22Z")
Too lazy to look for a more appropriate thread or start a new one, but [this](https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/14/police-advised-dont-look-at-face-id-iphones/) kind of fits here, _Police in the United States are being advised not to look at iPhone screens secured with Face ID, because doing so could disable facial authentication and leave investigators needing a potentially harder-to-obtain passcode to gain access._ The whole privacy issue, because _The advice follows a recent report of the first known case of law enforcement forcing a suspect to unlock an iPhone using Face ID. The action subsequently helped police uncover evidence that was later used to charge the suspect with receiving and possessing child pornography._ Which is kind of inaccurate: the suspect was pressured to unlock the phone, not really forced as such. Maybe offered some kind of deal. It is humorous, in a way, and a bit disturbing, but mostly not an easy question to resolve. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14368 "2018-10-16T11:23:29Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Which is kind of inaccurate: the suspect was pressured to unlock the phone, not really forced as such. Maybe offered some kind of deal. > > It is humorous, in a way, and a bit disturbing, but mostly not an easy question to resolve. That’s odd, because FaceID’s big weakness is that anyone can point your phone at you and unlock it. One reviewer on YouTube complained that his kids grab his phone, point it at him, then run away to make a call/play with it. And the new password saving option means if you’re asleep/unconscious, someone with your phone can get into everything by pointing it at your face. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14369 "2018-10-16T14:29:20Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > That’s odd, because FaceID’s big weakness is that anyone can point your phone at you and unlock it. One reviewer on YouTube complained that his kids grab his phone, point it at him, then run away to make a call/play with it. And the new password saving option means if you’re asleep/unconscious, someone with your phone can get into everything by pointing it at your face. My understanding is that you can set it to require your eyes be open and looking at it before it will unlock. Or you can do other things to force the passcode. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14370 "2018-10-16T17:13:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > My understanding is that you can set it to require your eyes be open and looking at it before it will unlock. Or you can do other things to force the passcode. The “Require Attention for Face ID” seems a little buggy, at least in my admitadly small sample size. It began working correctly after I turned it off and on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14371 "2018-10-17T11:12:30Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > My understanding is that you can set it to require your eyes be open and looking at it before it will unlock. Or you can do other things to force the passcode. Yeah, that’s iffy. On mine it does need to be near my face (about 18 inches), but it’ll open with my eyes closed, and I’ve got the attention thingy set. I’d disable it and go with my passcode but FaceID is handy in the car. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14372 "2018-10-17T15:40:02Z")
I have heard you can instantly switch to passcode by clicking the home button 5 times or with “_Hey, Siri, whose phone is this?_” ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14373 "2018-10-20T16:40:40Z")
I don’t remember seeing this story earlier, but… [3 Florida Ex-Cops Sentenced In Scheme To Frame Innocent Black People](https://www.yahoo.com/news/3-florida-ex-cops-sentenced-203300264.html) > [@](#): > > “Atesiano was acting under color of law as chief of police when on three separate occasions he ordered officers under his command to falsely arrest and charge individuals with unsolved burglaries,” the U.S. Department of Justice said in September. > … > Atesiano, 52, was indicted in June. In September, he pleaded guilty to framing multiple black people. He’s scheduled to be sentenced in November. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14374 "2018-10-20T16:54:12Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > I don’t remember seeing this story earlier, but… > > [3 Florida Ex-Cops Sentenced In Scheme To Frame Innocent Black People](https://www.yahoo.com/news/3-florida-ex-cops-sentenced-203300264.html) As your link says, the Chief is due for sentencing next month, but some of the officers who did his bidding have already been sentenced, and what really gets me about this whole thing is how lenient the Federal prosecutors were in the sentencing recommendations. They recommended 8 months of home confinement for one cop, and one year of probation for another, after those cops framed a 16-year-old black kid for a series of burglaries. I understand that prosecutors sometimes have to give more lenient deals in order to get cooperation, and these cops did testify against the Chief at the trial, but [even the judge thought](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220091145.html) that the prosecutors had let them off too light: > [@](#): > > As family members cried in disbelief, [U.S. District Judge K. Michael] Moore chastised federal prosecutors for agreeing to recommend eight months of home confinement for Dayoub and one year of probation for Fernandez based on their grand jury testimony and other assistance in helping target former Chief Raimundo Atesiano, who had pressured officers in the mostly white suburban town to pin property crimes on people of color. He pleaded guilty last month. > > “It would have been a slap on the wrist, and it would have sent entirely the wrong message — particularly to the minority community,” Moore told Assistant U.S. Attorney Harry Wallace. “To think that they can come into court and get a slap on the wrist is insulting to the men and women in law enforcement.” I would add that it’s also insulting to the people whose civil rights those cops violated. The prosecutor argued that he had recommended the light sentences because he really needed the testimony of those cops to get the Chief. > [@](#): > > But Moore, who accused the prosecutors of “sentencing manipulation,” rejected Wallace’s argument. The judge said had the prosecutors gone to trial against the ex-chief and the two officers, it would have been a “slam dunk.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14375 "2018-10-20T17:38:14Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I would add that it’s also insulting to the people whose civil rights those cops violated. This. If it were up to me, they’d be serving the entirety of the sentences the people they’d framed would have served, if they’d been convicted. IOW, see you guys in a few decades. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14376 "2018-10-20T20:53:57Z")
I’m not going to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14377 "2018-10-21T03:16:55Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > I don’t remember seeing this story earlier, but… > > [3 Florida Ex-Cops Sentenced In Scheme To Frame Innocent Black People](https://www.yahoo.com/news/3-florida-ex-cops-sentenced-203300264.html) FYI, this story is _not_ going viral on twitter. Retweets are in the single digits. Not a lot of outrage. [https://twitter.com/hashtag/BiscayneParkPD?src=hash](https://twitter.com/hashtag/BiscayneParkPD?src=hash) Never lose your ability to be shocked. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14378 "2018-10-22T12:51:24Z")
Now, you see, this is precisely the kind of calm and cool demeanor you need to have in a police officer so that they don’t needlessly escalate a situation. Good job officer! > **[Police: Man punched, shoved teen girls dressed as zombies promoting dance...](https://www.ksl.com/article/46410790/police-man-punched-shoved-teen-girls-dressed-as-zombies-promoting-dance-production)** > > Park City police say five teen girls dressed as zombies were promoting Odyssey Dance Theatre's annual production of ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14379 "2018-10-22T13:04:59Z")
I misread the headline as Police Man. It ends up he isn’t a police officer, my bad. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14380 "2018-10-22T14:58:45Z")
Pretty clear from the article he wasn’t a cop. And that he was in fact arrested. And charged. If you are going to post links to articles here, please actually read them first. Even in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14381 "2018-10-22T15:27:44Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Pretty clear from the article he wasn’t a cop. And that he was in fact arrested. And charged. If you are going to post links to articles here, please actually read them first. Even in the pit. Who are you the link police? I’ll post what I wish, and if I make a mistake I’ll point it out. So you can take you self-righteous attitude and stick it up your ass (and tell them Boromir sent you). Unless you’re making the claim you’ve never ever made any mistake by misreading something in your life. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=718) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=720)