# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 721
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14402 "2018-11-13T14:35:15Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Tell me again how a “good guy with a gun” is supposed to solve gun violence. 😕 It would have if the cop hadn’t shot the good guy with a gun. Given that 16 million people in the US have carry permits (and that doesn’t include many in 13 constitutional carry states that don’t need their state’s permission to carry), police shouldn’t automatically assume someone with a gun is a criminal, let alone a threat. How about taking cover and asking questions before opening fire? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14403 "2018-11-13T15:43:33Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Police in Atlanta, Georgia area look for 18 year old black **cop-killer** Tafahree Maynard: > > [Officer fatally shoots suspect in Georgia police slaying | AP News](https://www.apnews.com/4fe07e1a7ac04b4aa509aa24c4e0627e) > > While it could well have happened this way others might think police decided to kill him as soon as they found him and the mower blade was the only possible weapon around. > > Thoughts? Do the “others” think this based on any evidence, or is it just the assumption that the cops are always wrong? As in “just because he murdered one cop is no reason to believe he would threaten another”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14404 "2018-11-13T23:49:50Z")
…Who the fuck picks up a fucking _lawnmower blade_ when faced with armed cops? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14405 "2018-11-14T00:17:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Do the “others” think this based on any evidence, or is it just the assumption that the cops are always wrong? As in “just because he murdered one cop is no reason to believe he would threaten another”. > > Regards, > Shodan Wasn’t that post that you are responding to nearly a month ago? You saw that there were new posts, you came in here to defend cops shooting. Why are you picking on a post from so long ago, when you can defend the cop in the more recent post? I’d love for you to explain what the security guard did wrong to justify his death. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14406 "2018-11-14T01:32:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’d love for you to explain what the security guard did wrong to justify his death. There was a black guy with a gun. The cops were so afraid, because they have the most dangerous job in the world, that they just HAD to shoot him. To protect us. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14407 "2018-11-14T12:35:53Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …Who the fuck picks up a fucking _lawnmower blade_ when faced with armed cops? > [@](#): > > Doyle: What’cha doin’ with that lawn mower blade Karl? > Karl: I aim to kill you with it. … ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14408 "2018-11-14T14:44:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …Who the fuck picks up a fucking _lawnmower blade_ when faced with armed cops? Someone hiding in a fucking shed. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14409 "2018-11-14T20:22:33Z")
The cops are blaming the security guard for his own shooting. > **[Security guard fatally shot by Midlothian officer was asked to drop gun,...](https://abc7chicago.com/robbins-shooting-bouncer-shot-jemel-roberson-mannys-blue-room/4685915/)** > > A security guard was fatally shot by a Midlothian police officer at a Robbins nightclub after he did not respond to calls for him to drop his weapon, according to a preliminary findings of an Illinois State Police investigation released Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14410 "2018-11-14T20:50:30Z")
I guess all the eyewitnesses got it wrong. Every single one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14411 "2018-11-15T20:12:20Z")
Four black teenagers have been arrested for trespassing and criminal misconduct at a shopping mall in Memphis for wearing hoodies (even though the mall’s appropriate attire code of conduct does not mention hoodies). A black man recording one of the arrests was also arrested. Four white women decided to wear hoodies to the mall and even when they put the hoods up, they were only told to put the hoods down. I’m a 68 year old white man who wears hoodies all the time. I wonder if I would be arrested, too. > **[Black teens were allegedly kicked out of mall over no-hoodie policy, so 4...](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-teens-allegedly-kicked-mall-no-hoodie-policy-4-white-women-wore-sweatshirts-just-see-happen-144909940.html)** > > Four white women were determined to prove a point about racial profiling in the United States when they walked more than a mile around Wolfchase Galleria mall in Memphis, Tenn., on Saturday, wearing hoodies — the article of clothing that got a black... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14412 "2018-11-15T20:18:14Z")
Professor calls police on black student for putting her feet on a chair. School says call was not racially motivated. > **[Removal of Black Student by Police Was Not Prompted by Bias, Investigations...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/us/white-professor-calls-police-black-student.html)** > > The University of Texas at San Antonio investigated the episode, which students said came days after a lecturer confronted the student for putting her feet on an empty chair. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14413 "2018-11-15T20:27:56Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The cops are blaming the security guard for his own shooting. > [https://abc7chicago.com/security-guard-fatally-shot-by-midlothian-officer-was-asked-to-drop-gun-isp-says/4685915/](https://abc7chicago.com/security-guard-fatally-shot-by-midlothian-officer-was-asked-to-drop-gun-isp-says/4685915/) [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/whats-known-—-and-not-known-—-about-the-police-shooting-of-security-guard-jemel-roberson/ar-BBPKa5M?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/whats-known-%E2%80%94-and-not-known-%E2%80%94-about-the-police-shooting-of-security-guard-jemel-roberson/ar-BBPKa5M?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > Late Wednesday, one of the other four people shot and injured in the gunfire exchange at the bar emerged. Dorian Myrickes told the Associated Press that he was also working security at the bar that night, saw the officer shoot Roberson and did not hear the officer first give Roberson any commands to drop his gun. > > From his hospital bed, Myrickes also said Roberson had the word “security” printed on his hat and on the back shoulder of the black sweatshirt he was wearing. But Myrickes acknowledged that the officer might not have been able to see those, according to the AP report. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14414 "2018-11-17T00:20:45Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I guess all the eyewitnesses got it wrong. Every single one of them. Well, fortunately we have the police officers‘ word for it! We all know that the police would never lie about this, right? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14415 "2018-11-17T01:01:15Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Well, fortunately we have the police officers‘ word for it! > > We all know that the police would never lie about this, right? Hey, unless you walk a mile in a policeman’s shoes, you wouldn’t know that it’s alright to lie on police reports, frame people for crimes, and kill unarmed people because you were “scared” of a cell phone. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14416 "2018-11-18T16:08:21Z")
[Police in Washington State were called about a man sitting outside doing his job.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/unwanted-subject-what-led-a-kirkland-yogurt-shop-to-call-police-on-a-black-man/) Byron Ragland is a nine-year Air Force veteran and court-appointed special advocate who was required to supervise an outing between mother and child at a yoghurt shp, but the show employees found him “scary.” Guess what color Mr. Ragland’s skin is. The Board’s imbeciles tell us America isn’t racist. Have they started a thread showing these sorts of incidents happening to white people? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14417 "2018-11-18T18:14:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Police in Washington State were called about a man sitting outside doing his job.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/unwanted-subject-what-led-a-kirkland-yogurt-shop-to-call-police-on-a-black-man/) Byron Ragland is a nine-year Air Force veteran and court-appointed special advocate who was required to supervise an outing between mother and child at a yoghurt shp, but the show employees found him “scary.” > > Guess what color Mr. Ragland’s skin is. > > The Board’s imbeciles tell us America isn’t racist. Have they started a thread showing these sorts of incidents happening to white people? “_But that’s all it takes in America — for you to be black, and to be somewhere you’re not supposed to be. And where you’re supposed to be is not up to you. It’s up to somebody else’s opinion._” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14418 "2018-11-18T23:42:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Police in Washington State were called about a man sitting outside doing his job.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/unwanted-subject-what-led-a-kirkland-yogurt-shop-to-call-police-on-a-black-man/) Byron Ragland is a nine-year Air Force veteran and court-appointed special advocate who was required to supervise an outing between mother and child at a yoghurt shp, but the show employees found him “scary.” > > Guess what color Mr. Ragland’s skin is. > > The Board’s imbeciles tell us America isn’t racist. Have they started a thread showing these sorts of incidents happening to white people? Why can’t the police hear the situation and then tell the owner what’s up? Why do they have to make the guy leave? I don’t understand that. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14419 "2018-11-18T23:56:26Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why can’t the police hear the situation and then tell the owner what’s up? Why do they have to make the guy leave? I don’t understand that. Did you miss the part where he was black? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14420 "2018-11-19T00:02:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Did you miss the part where he was black? Oh right. I haven’t walked a mile in a cop’s shoes to know that making a black guy leave for doing nothing is the correct action to take. My bad! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14421 "2018-11-19T20:14:27Z")
9-1-1 Operator : 911, what is your emergency? Racist: There’s a black man, and he is scary. Seriously, how the everloving fuck does that deserve cops being dispatched??? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=720) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=722)