# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 727
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14522 "2018-12-11T15:43:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Think about this a bit more critically, please. > > What was the crime she was being arrested for? For sitting on the floor? When there were no more chairs? According to the cite - > [@](#): > > The video, taken by a bystander, captured the chaotic scene that unfolded last Friday as officers tried to remove mother Jazmine Headley from the crowded office, where she had sat on the floor for two hours because of a lack of chairs. Police were called when she refused a security guard’s order to leave. The woman ended up lying face-up on the floor during a tug of war over her 18-month-old son. It doesn’t say why she was told to leave. As to why she was arrested - > [@](#): > > Headley was charged with obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, endangering the welfare of a child and trespassing. The outstanding warrant was for failure to appear on a credit card fraud case - the police didn’t know about that until later. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14523 "2018-12-11T18:00:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > According to the cite - It doesn’t say why she was told to leave. As to why she was arrested - The outstanding warrant was for failure to appear on a credit card fraud case - the police didn’t know about that until later. > > Regards, > Shodan I know you’re stupid, so I’ll explain: the comments you think you were replying to were rhetorical questions. Rhetorical questions aren’t real questions; they’re posed to make a point. Your reply (like the vast majority of yours) was unnecessary and added nothing to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14524 "2018-12-11T18:46:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Video shows NYC police pulling toddler from mother’s arms](https://www.apnews.com/dc2801bde5e8423c85ab058bede17858). [New York woman whose baby was ripped from her arms by officers won’t face charges](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-woman-whose-baby-was-ripped-her-arms-officers-n946571) > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Supreme Court says “suck it up, Choctaw County and Sheriff Terry Park; you done fucked up”](https://www.apnews.com/1dccadc5bf83408b9f2e59b770bb65df) > > > [@](#): > > > > A survey of Mississippi jails released this year found 2,500 defendants jailed before trial have been in custody 90 or more consecutive days. More than 600 defendants have been in jail longer than a year. > > !In America. Imagine being in jail for a year _waiting for a trial_ on a traffic offense or a minor drug possession charge or something similar. In the land of the free and the home of the brave. That final line in the story almost appears to be included to generate outrage considering the complete lack of detail in it. It conspicuously doesn’t say that people have been held without bail hearings or exactly what their offenses are. From the context of the story we are to assume that they’re being held for traffic offenses and minor drug charges rather than murder or operating a meth lab. Many of the 600+ who have been there more than a year could be because their own lawyers are filing for extensions. Details matter and stories lacking details make me question why. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14525 "2018-12-11T18:55:57Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Many of the 600+ who have been there more than a year could be because their own lawyers are filing for extensions. Details matter and stories lacking details make me question why. My guess is many of those 600 (and 2500) have had bail hearings, but the amount set was more than they can afford, so they sit in jail. If you’re near broke, the $5000 bail for your petty crime may as well be $500,000, because you don’t have the money. Hence the movement to eliminate bail for many arrests, because instead of doing what it is intended to do, get people to come back for their trial, it is instead keeping them in jail indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14526 "2018-12-11T19:17:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I know you’re stupid, so I’ll explain: the comments you think you were replying to were rhetorical questions. Rhetorical questions aren’t real questions; they’re posed to make a point. Your reply (like the vast majority of yours) was unnecessary and added nothing to the discussion. Well, if we are doing rhetorical questions, were you dropped on your head as a child? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14527 "2018-12-11T19:19:27Z")
That’s my guess as well, along with my opinion on the matter. But making us have to guess is completely unnecessary in a format where words are essentially free. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14528 "2018-12-12T04:14:00Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Here is a California Highway Patrol officer who killed a sheriff’s deputy–friendly fire: > > [CHP officer’s bullet killed sheriff’s deputy who responded to Thousand Oaks bar shooting](https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-borderline-update-20181207-story.html) So much for the “good guy with a gun.” This makes the whole story even more tragic. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14529 "2018-12-12T05:35:08Z")
A good guy with a gun can only be stopped by a better guy with a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14530 "2018-12-13T15:24:19Z")
Officer sucker punches man in video released by whistleblower cop [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/officer-sucker-punches-man-in-video-released-by-whistleblower-cop/ar-BBQTqaf?li=BBnbfcL](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/officer-sucker-punches-man-in-video-released-by-whistleblower-cop/ar-BBQTqaf?li=BBnbfcL) This looks like it had fuck all to do with law enforcement. > [@](#): > > Attorney Michael Pizzi emailed the video obtained by his client, Miami Beach Police Officer Frederick Dominguez, to police and city leaders Wednesday. Pizzi says Dominguez wasn’t on the scene at the Pelican restaurant in Miami Beach when the incident occurred, but was able to obtain the video, which is a cellphone recording of a body cam video that is apparently playing on another screen. So a cop who wasn’t there took a cell phone video of the playback of the incident. Sadly, this probably will not be good for Officer Dominguez’s career. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14531 "2018-12-13T15:29:05Z")
One of the subtle nuances of “ACAB” is that given that this guy is probably not a bastard, he presumably will not be a cop for much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14532 "2018-12-18T04:03:13Z")
[Police Shot An Ohio Newspaper Owner. Now His Paper Is Going Out Of Business](http://radio.wosu.org/post/police-shot-ohio-newspaper-owner-now-his-paper-going-out-business#stream/0) An Ohio newspaper owner stopped to take pictures of a police stop in progress. As he got out of his car, he was shot by a deputy sheriff, who thought his camera tripod was a rifle. When the deputy was exonerated, he sued the county for damages. > [@](#): > > As bad as the shooting was, Grimm thought things would eventually get back to normal. But he says New Carlisle turned out to be what he calls a “back the blue” kind of small town, which lined up behind the sheriff’s department. Grimm says his sources with the county and city dried up, and people who saw him on the street walked the other way. > … > Grimm says over the course of a few months, subscriptions fell by about 300 at each paper. Ad revenue dropped by $2,000 a week. > > … > With fewer people reading a paper with fewer ads, and less news because of alienated sources, Grimm and his father decided to cease publication of the New Carlisle Times and the Enon Eagle. They released their final issues on December 5. Both continue as online publications only. > > Grimm says he doesn’t know where they’d be today if the shooting never happened, but he says they’d definitely still be publishing. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14533 "2018-12-18T09:50:35Z")
Boy, sure seems like a good time for young people to leave. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14534 "2018-12-18T21:59:30Z")
A bank in Ohio refused to cash a black man’s paycheck even though he provide two forms of ID and a fingerprint, as was their requirements, and when he left, the called the cops on him because apparently a black man couldn’t possibly have a $1000 paycheck. The cops blocked him off and wouldn’t let him leave and put him in the back of their car until somebody finally contacted his employer and verified that the check was good. > **[Bank calls cops on black man because they thought his paycheck was too high](https://www.alternet.org/2018/12/bank-calls-cops-black-man-because-they-thought-his-paycheck-was-too-high)** > > A black Ohio man said bank tellers refused to cash a paycheck from his new job, and then called 911 on him, because they were suspicious that he earned so much. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14535 "2018-12-19T01:45:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A bank in Ohio refused to cash a black man’s paycheck even though he provide two forms of ID and a fingerprint, as was their requirements, and when he left, the called the cops on him because apparently a black man couldn’t possibly have a $1000 paycheck. The cops blocked him off and wouldn’t let him leave and put him in the back of their car until somebody finally contacted his employer and verified that the check was good. > [Bank calls cops on black man because they thought his paycheck was too high - Alternet.org](https://www.alternet.org/bank-calls-cops-black-man-because-they-thought-his-paycheck-was-too-high?fbclid=IwAR0Va0wqHjaF_iohKnvUiDxywccikPVouEOGxLahal4AJdmU6E1vG8UzQU0) Time for a huge lawsuit. Freeze their assets, take as much as possible, ruin careers, and then follow up with as many criminal complaints as your attorney can think up. Go for fucking blood. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14536 "2018-12-19T07:19:46Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Time for a huge lawsuit. Freeze their assets, take as much as possible, ruin careers, and then follow up with as many criminal complaints as your attorney can think up. Go for fucking blood. Yeah, after an incident like that, McOwens should be looking for a considerably larger paycheck. Arrested for trying to cash a valid check. What the fuck. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14537 "2019-01-04T18:08:46Z")
In the “[we don’t need no stinking transparency](https://www.dailybreeze.com/2018/12/24/inglewood-will-destroy-20-years-of-police-shooting-records-ahead-of-new-transparency-law/)” department, _Until recently, Inglewood retained records related to officer-involved shootings for 25 years. Earlier this month, the City Council voted to reduce that time frame to five years and then voted to destroy the older records. Activists see it as an intentional effort to avoid the accountability promised by Senate Bill 1421, a new law that allows the public to obtain personnel and investigatory records for officers involved in shootings, sexual assault and misconduct._ Long Beach, similarly, is [going to destroy 23 years](https://www.presstelegram.com/2018/12/28/long-beach-quietly-destroys-years-of-internal-police-records-before-transparency-law-goes-into-effect-says-it-is-unrelated/?fbclid=IwAR0hW_bRmlQZh_65bysW1vJHx8fQoAcbBV-AujkTNQS7irgxt7UmLJL3obU) worth of Internal Affairs documents — but the move has nothing to do with the new law (they say). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14538 "2019-01-04T23:53:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > In the “[we don’t need no stinking transparency](https://www.dailybreeze.com/2018/12/24/inglewood-will-destroy-20-years-of-police-shooting-records-ahead-of-new-transparency-law/)” department, > > _Until recently, Inglewood retained records related to officer-involved shootings for 25 years. Earlier this month, the City Council voted to reduce that time frame to five years and then voted to destroy the older records. Activists see it as an intentional effort to avoid the accountability promised by Senate Bill 1421, a new law that allows the public to obtain personnel and investigatory records for officers involved in shootings, sexual assault and misconduct._ I don’t understand stuff like this. The mayor is black. Two of the city council members are black. Why would they vote for something like this? ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14539 "2019-01-08T15:15:40Z")
> **[Police officer who shot a Chihuahua during a service call loses job, Arkansas...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/07/police-officer-shoots-chihuahua-during-call-loses-arkansas-dept-job/2499817002/)** > > The former officer, Deputy Keenan Wallace, was also a K9 handler. At least this one was held accountable. I guess a dog is more valuable to the cops than a person. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14540 "2019-01-08T15:49:18Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t understand stuff like this. The mayor is black. Two of the city council members are black. Why would they vote for something like this? To gain political support from the police department. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14541 "2019-01-09T04:44:29Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > [Police officer shoots Chihuahua during call, loses Arkansas dept. job](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/07/police-officer-shoots-chihuahua-during-call-loses-arkansas-dept-job/2499817002) > > At least this one was held accountable. I guess a dog is more valuable to the cops than a person. Do NOT watch the video. I’m still furious. A fucking Chihuahua was so menacing and terrifying, that a wannabe Barney Fife had to shoot it in the face. They actually gave that asshole a badge and a GUN. He got fired, but unfortunately I hear he immediately got ANOTHER job with a badge and a GUN. What the fuck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=726) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=728)