# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 731
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14603 "2019-03-07T18:50:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Palm Beach Gardens (FL) Nouman Raja’s trial starts tomorrow (21 Feb 2019)](https://apnews.com/3ea937e908264b6898e4a1ae3a94e432). The verdict is in" [guilty](https://apnews.com/c3074a4933bf47e490dea0d5c03bf4a9). > [@](#): > > Nouman Raja, 41, faces a mandatory minimum of 25 years at sentencing April 26, and could spend his life in prison for the death of Corey Jones, 31. > > The four-man, two-woman jury deliberated for four hours. Raja didn’t react as the verdict was read. About 25 relatives and supporters of Jones looked on, some weeping. One said “the sweetest sound was the click of those handcuffs” after Raja was led away. All of the officers lies didn’t matter: > [@](#): > > He told them in a video-recorded interview hours after the shooting he said “Police, can I help you?” as Jones jumped from the SUV. He told investigators Jones leapt backward and pointed his gun, forcing him to fire. Raja said Jones ran but turned and again pointed his gun, forcing him to fire the second volley. > [/quote[Why didn’t his lies matter? Because there was a recording.[quote] > What police didn’t know at first was that Jones had been talking to a tow-truck dispatcher on a recorded line. That recording shows Jones saying “Huh?” as his door opens. Raja yells, “You good?” Jones says he is. Raja replies twice, “Really?” with Jones replying “Yeah.” > > Suddenly, Raja shouts at Jones to raise his hands, using an expletive. Jones replies, “Hold on!” and Raja repeats his demand. > > Prosecutors believe Jones pulled his gun and tried to get away. Raja fired three shots; Jones ran down an embankment. Prosecutors said he threw his gun, found 125 feet (38 meters) from his body, but Raja fired three more times, 10 seconds after the first volley. Jones was killed by a bullet through his heart. > > A medical examiner testified Jones would have dropped feet from where the fatal shot struck him. He also was shot once in each arm. > > C.J. Jones said his brother “was a good person” who wouldn’t have confronted Raja. > > “If that dude would have said he was a police officer right off the bat, this would have never happened,” he said. > [@](#): > > Prosecutors said Raja, not knowing of the tow-truck dispatcher recording, tried to deceive investigators. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14604 "2019-03-08T15:25:54Z")
[NYPD cop found guilty of running drug-trafficking operation out of her Bronx apartment](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nypd-cop-found-guilty-of-running-drug-trafficking-operation-out-of-her-bronx-apartment/ar-BBUvVoQ) > [@](#): > > The handle of her NYPD-issue Glock 9-mm. was sticking out of her purse, which was stuffed with $25,000 cash. > > She told the task force agents she was “on the job,” which prosecutors took to mean she was claiming she was on official police business. For fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14605 "2019-03-08T20:43:40Z")
This was over in MPSIMS [Picking up trash while black, 5 officers respond](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=871974) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14606 "2019-03-13T18:32:52Z")
Cops called on a black man at a Phoenix theater for allegedly sneaking in a side door. He had a ticket. > **[Cops called on man accused of sneaking into AMC movie theater: 'Do you know...](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-lives-matter-protest-man-wrongly-accused-sneaking-amc-movie-theater-235320815.html)** > > The theater apologized to the Arizona film-goer for "misidentifying" him. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14607 "2019-03-13T21:02:11Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Cops called on a black man at a Phoenix theater for allegedly sneaking in a side door. He had a ticket. > [Arizona man accused of sneaking into AMC movie theater](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-lives-matter-protest-man-wrongly-accused-sneaking-amc-movie-theater-235320815.html) What did the police do wrong here? I’m not even 100% convinced the theater did anything wrong - it seems unclear if the gentleman initially was asked for his ticket stub and/or if he showed it to the manager the first time he was questioned. That seems like it would have solved the issue. It is clear that eventually the ticket stub was asked for and provided, and the police went away. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14608 "2019-03-13T21:10:19Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > What did the police do wrong here? I’m not even 100% convinced the theater did anything wrong - it seems unclear if the gentleman initially was asked for his ticket stub and/or if he showed it to the manager the first time he was questioned. That seems like it would have solved the issue. > > It is clear that eventually the ticket stub was asked for and provided, and the police went away. [More here](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/ahwatukee/2019/03/13/larry-shelton-accuses-amc-ahwatukee-phoenix-arizona-racial-profiling-video-goes-viral/3146908002/). Looks like he initially refused to show his ticket stub to security. The refusal to give him a refund is a little wonky–because his cell phone’s light was showing while he filmed the incident–but I think that the moviegoer is trying to stir some shit where there is no shit. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14609 "2019-03-30T06:56:45Z")
Body cam of the Willie McCoy Taco Bell shooting by cops: Here was an article about it: > **[The life and death of rapper Willie McCoy, 'executed' by police](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/the-life-and-death-of-rapper-willie-mccoy-executed-by-police)** > > The brutal shooting of McCoy, who loved ones describe as a rising star and loyal friend, has devastated a community: ‘We lost a king’ ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14610 "2019-03-30T19:36:28Z")
When ICE stopped him, [he sent them packing](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html). > [@](#): > > Bryan MacCormack says he knew what to do when ICE officers pulled him over with paperwork in hand: Read the fine print. > … > The ICE officers called it a warrant. MacCormack told the officers something was missing: a judge’s signature. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14611 "2019-04-03T06:06:55Z")
I dont know if these belong in this thread, but. . . Chicago cop [John Rivera](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/john-rivera-jovan-battle-menelik-jackson-men-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-off-duty-cop/) was killed early Sat (3/20) while sitting in his car with his girlfriend. IL State Trooper [Gerald Ellis](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-fatal-crash-near-liberytville-trooper-dead-20190330-story.html) was killed in his car on Hwy I94 north of Chicago early on 3/30. Now there’s nothing inherently controversial about their deaths. Both were killed in tragic and preventable ways and their deaths should be mourned by us all. The controversy, IMHO, comes after. In the first case the Superintendent of the Chicago Police, not a spokesperson or the officer in charge of the case, the Superintendent gave a press conference in which he called the killing of one of his officers a hate crime. Now, he wasn’t wrong. It appears that John Rivera was killed because he was hispanic. But Rivera was off duty, in plain clothes and the suspects did not know he was a cop. None of which is in dispute. And hate crimes happen literally every day in Chicago and the police dept (to say nothing of the Supt) has never said boo about it. Not only that, but the Supt also detailed how they moved heaven and earth to apprehend two suspects in less than 48 hrs. Apparently the Chicago police can solve a homicide if they are sufficiently motivated. In the Ellis case, it was the Acting Director of the IL State Police who gave the press conference. In which he said “Today, another great hero of Illinois has paid the ultimate sacrifice for protecting and serving the citizens of this state.” However, Trooper Ellis was not in pursuit of the suspect, was not vulnerable at the side of the road giving aid to a motorist or in anyway doing his job. It appears that he was just driving home and was killed by a wrong way driver. Now, that doesn’t happen alot in IL, but it is not unusual for a motorist to be killed by a wrong way driver. And up until this point the Director of ILSP has not said anything, and certainly not "There are only two ways this stops: People drive safely, or troopers stop patrolling.” It just bugs the hell out of me. Clearly law enforcement officers value their own over the rest of the public even when the deaths had nothing to do with their jobs. mc ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14612 "2019-04-03T11:42:22Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > When ICE stopped him, [he sent them packing](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html). What’s disturbing is that the officer knew that the driver of the car was legally in the right - the “warrant” wasn’t signed. Yet he continued to insist that it was legally valid. ICE has always behaved controversially but under Trump they’ve gone rogue. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14613 "2019-04-04T01:13:52Z")
Wouldn’t rogue be doing it without your boss’s blessing? Somehow, I don’t see Tan the Conman not putting his imprimatur on all of that. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14614 "2019-04-04T16:55:07Z")
Even when cops are shown to bad, they still get hired [L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva reinstates a second deputy fired for misconduct](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/la-county-sheriff-alex-villanueva-reinstates-a-second-deputy-fired-for-misconduct/ar-BBVBgLe#page=2) > [@](#): > > Villanueva has faced sharp criticism over his rehiring in recent months of another deputy, Caren Carl Mandoyan, who was discharged for violating department policies regarding domestic violence and making false statements to internal investigators. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14615 "2019-04-05T05:58:43Z")
A Columbus police officer has been [indicted for murdering a sex worker](https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190404/grand-jury-indicts-former-columbus-vice-officer-andrew-mitchell-on-murder-charge), which he claims happened when she stabbed him (he was in plain clothes in an unmarked car) during a legitimate arrest. Separately, and I’m sure it’s 100% definitely for sure not related to what happened to that poor victim, he was also charged in federal court last month for [raping women](https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190321/new-details-released-in-case-against-former-columbus-vice-officer-andrew-mitchell) after arresting them, and tampering with evidence. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14616 "2019-04-05T10:44:45Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You think I’m a horrible person for believing that people are responsible for their own actions? That says a lot more about you than me. I know that you are a horrible person because you are a hate filled bigot. It must be horrible to be you. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14617 "2019-04-05T11:05:30Z")
Bizarre accident, police cruiser being driven by a police officer slammed into car in the parking lot of an Illinois high school that was on lockdown [Story](http://www.southernillinoisnow.com/2019/03/28/centralia-police-chief-says-officer-suspended-for-one-day-following-crash-at-chs-during-bomb-scare/) [Dashcam video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBmQJ3X5QdM&t=1356s) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14618 "2019-04-05T16:30:47Z")
[Re. Columbus undercover officer charged with murdering a sex worker:](https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190321/new-details-released-in-case-against-former-columbus-vice-officer-andrew-mitchell) > [@](#): > > New details have been released in the federal court case against former Columbus police vice officer Andrew K. Mitchell, who is accused of arresting two women and forcing them into having sex in exchange for their freedom. > > The details were included in a court filing by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jessica Kim arguing against the 55-year-old Mitchell, who had more than 30 years with the police division, being released on court supervision pending trial. > > According to the court filing, investigators have identified multiple women who were Mitchell’s tenants at the multiple properties he owns. Kim wrote that many of the women were drug addicts and some were prostitutes. > > The women told investigators that they would trade sex with Mitchell for reduced or free rent at his properties, according to the filing. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14619 "2019-04-05T20:19:11Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Bizarre accident, police cruiser being driven by a police officer slammed into car in the parking lot of an Illinois high school that was on lockdown > [Story](http://www.southernillinoisnow.com/2019/03/28/centralia-police-chief-says-officer-suspended-for-one-day-following-crash-at-chs-during-bomb-scare/) 'Splain me this, _The crash occurred as the officer providing exterior security saw a car pull into the parking lot and began to parallel the vehicle in an attempt to determine why the car was at the school. The report indicates the officer did not realize that the car had turned into the same parking lot and the squad car struck the vehicle in the driver’s door._ It seems to be contradictory. If the explanation is “the story is poorly written,” well, yeah it is. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14620 "2019-04-05T20:21:24Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > 'Splain me this, > > _The crash occurred as the officer providing exterior security saw a car pull into the parking lot and began to parallel the vehicle in an attempt to determine why the car was at the school. The report indicates the officer did not realize that the car had turned into the same parking lot and the squad car struck the vehicle in the driver’s door._ > > It seems to be contradictory. If the explanation is “the story is poorly written,” well, yeah it is. The white car was headed north, so the cop headed north, as well. He didn’t realize that the car had turned west, and at his rate of speed, he couldn’t stop when he figured it out. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14621 "2019-04-12T02:08:05Z")
> **[Video Shows Chicago Police Officers Punching And Dragging A 16-Year-Old...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/chicago-police-dnigma-howard-video)** > > The video appears to contradict the officers statements that the student initiated the violent encounter. More power tripping, lying, fucking douchebags. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14622 "2019-04-12T02:35:41Z")
Ultimate cause of this sequence of events: she had a cell phone out in class. If we don’t stop with this zero tolerance bullshit, this will just keep happening. This has no place in a civilized society. Nor, for that matter, does certain police officers treating their job like they are on patrol in Helmand Province. It’s time for a deal: raise property taxes the fraction of a percent it would take to give all officers a 20% raise. In return, they stop this thin blue line nonsense. The new agreement is that if they see a bad cop, they call him out. If they assist in covering for a bad cop, the disciplinary consequences are the same as if they had committed the infraction. And when someone hires on, after having been a po somewhere else, the hiring force is required to inquire with the previous force, and the previous forse is required to air all dirty laundry. It is time to create an environment where good cops can be good cops, and get paid for it, with zero tolerance for bad apples. Some people were not meant to be cops - the moment this becomes clear, it needs to come to a parting of the ways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=730) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=732)