# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 735
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14683 "2019-04-22T09:39:23Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > According to [this story](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-deputy-reassigned-after-video-shows-him-punching-teen-head-n996536), his police report said: > > > [@](#): > > > > “At this point, his left arm was free and next to him, while he placed his arm under his face," Well, yes. You beat the kid’s head to to the ground and he’ll put his arm there to protect himself. The fuckers initially charged the kid with aggravated assault. That’s a second degree when the victim is a LEO with a three year minutes sentence. The judge mixed that already, but what would have happened without the cell phone video? ---
**Author:** ![GreenHell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@GreenHell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenHell)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14684 "2019-04-22T11:27:36Z")
Couldn’t this problem be largely solved with a simple change in the rules of engagement? Just change to “RETURN FIRE” as the S.O.P. and we’re done. No, “he was pointing a gun . . . he had a gun . . . I thought he had a gun . . . he was thinking about a gun”. Just make the rule, “once you’ve been shot at, it is okay for you to shoot back”. I’ve been a soldier and had to operate under such rules, against potential adversaries who definitely had weapons, since they were big enough that they certainly couldn’t be concealed in a hoodie or waistband. Maybe that is demanding too much courage of people. But, at least LEOs who don’t have the gumption to operate thusly can resign. Soldiers who decide to quit their job before their contract is up go to prison. EVERY time this crops up, the cop “felt threatened”. People who are frightened, all the time, of everything, probably shouldn’t be carrying guns around all the time and certainly shouldn’t be confronting anyone. Perhaps we just need to hire tougher cops. People who aren’t scared all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14685 "2019-04-24T20:49:44Z")
15 year old boy in Huntsville, Alabama commits suicide for being bullied for being gay. Local cop posts comments on the news article about his death mocking him. [https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Deputy-on-leave-after-writing-an-anti-LGBTQ-post-13791073.php](https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Deputy-on-leave-after-writing-an-anti-LGBTQ-post-13791073.php) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14686 "2019-04-25T00:43:38Z")
> [@GreenHell](#): > > No, “he was pointing a gun . . . he had a gun . . . I thought he had a gun . . . he was thinking about a gun”. Just make the rule, “once you’ve been shot at, it is okay for you to shoot back”. Because people think cops should be under less restrictive ROE, and “I was afraid” is a good enough reason to shoot somebody. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14687 "2019-04-26T01:39:40Z")
[Ex-cop gets 25 years for killing black musician stopped on ramp](https://apnews.com/bdb0139a5cf8434f838e188931627007). Thank Og for that recording! ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14688 "2019-04-26T01:48:22Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > That said, when the 911 call mentions a gun, used in a threatening manner no less, and that gun is then visible when officers are on the scene, and it is not immediately dropped - I believe any shooting after that is justified. . So, Tamir Rice killing was justified or not? ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14689 "2019-04-26T03:51:03Z")
> **[We found 85,000 cops who’ve been investigated for misconduct. Now you can...](https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/04/24/usa-today-revealing-misconduct-records-police-cops/3223984002/)** > > In 2019, USA TODAY led a national effort to publish disciplinary records for police officers. George Floyd's death has renewed calls for transparency Great information about the shit stains that keep their badges while committing crimes and fucking over the public. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14690 "2019-04-26T05:02:48Z")
18-year-old kid gets pulled for on a pretense, [pulled out of his car](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/investigations/2019/04/04/louisville-kentucky-police-stopped-frisked-handcuffed-black-teen-for-wide-turn/3210229002/) and illegally searched. Any question about his race? > [@](#): > > He was homecoming king at Central High School and had just graduated with several scholarships. He had never been arrested or in trouble before and had a steady job selling new cars at a major dealership. But 18-year-old Tae-Ahn Lea is black and lives in Park Duvalle, in Louisville’s West End. And when he borrowed his mom’s car to go get a slushie one day last August, he found himself being pulled over by the Louisville Metro Police Department’s Ninth Mobile Division for the most minor of traffic violations — making a “wide turn” onto another street. > > Before he was let go 25 minutes later, he was pulled from his car, frisked and handcuffed. His car was searched by a drug-sniffing dog, then by police officers who went through his wallet and even looked under the lid of his drink for contraband. > > He was forced to stand on the street, embarrassed, as traffic drove by, with the cuffs chafing his wrists, as one officer asked him, “Why do you have this negative view towards the police?” > > Nearly 1 million people have since viewed a video of the traffic stop on YouTube, and more than 17,000 have commented on it. Many said it shows exactly why minorities distrust law enforcement. The video [can be seen here](https://youtu.be/9CCQv-i6UBI). It’s a long video, but the first few minutes show the initial interaction where he’s being pulled out of the car for no apparent reason. The cops involved are part of a crime unit task force, not traffic cops, and they are looking for crime by pulling people over apparently without any real reason other than a fishing expedition. It’s high crime area, but as is pointed out in the article, most people who live in high crime areas aren’t criminals. It’s obvious that they were treating him as a suspect. The frisk is illegal because there was no probable cause to indicate he was armed or dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14691 "2019-04-26T07:06:29Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Because people think cops should be under less restrictive ROE, and “I was afraid” is a good enough reason to shoot somebody. As we’ve seen, cops don’t even need to be afraid to open fire. Mild annoyance with a chihuahua is enough. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14692 "2019-04-26T18:22:47Z")
A woman was arrested and her daughter put into child protective services custody for 12 hours because the mother got into a dispute with a Frontier Airlines flight attendant who refused to clean up vomit on their seats that had been left from the previous flight. The mother demanded to be moved, the flight attendant told her it wasn’t her (the flight attendant’s) job to clean the plane, and the mother would have to clean the seat or be escorted off the plane. When the mother objected, she was arrested. > **['Frontier Airlines is DEAD WRONG FOR THIS!': Mom arrested after dispute over...](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-arrested-frontier-airlines-dispute-vomit-daughters-seat-204838640.html)** > > "What really hurt me is for my child to see me getting handcuffed and taken away from her," Rosetta Swinney said. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14693 "2019-04-26T18:34:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman was arrested and her daughter put into child protective services custody for 12 hours because the mother got into a dispute with a Frontier Airlines flight attendant who refused to clean up vomit on their seats that had been left from the previous flight. The mother demanded to be moved, the flight attendant told her it wasn’t her (the flight attendant’s) job to clean the plane, and the mother would have to clean the seat or be escorted off the plane. When the mother objected, she was arrested. > [Mom arrested after dispute over vomit on daughter's plane seat](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-arrested-frontier-airlines-dispute-vomit-daughters-seat-204838640.html) Before I click that link, is it a recent story? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14694 "2019-04-26T18:45:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Before I click that link, is it a recent story? 🙂 It’s dated April 25th and is purported to have happened over Easter weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14695 "2019-04-26T18:53:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Before I click that link, is it a recent story? 🙂 Not funny. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14696 "2019-04-26T20:43:42Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > As we’ve seen, cops don’t even need to be afraid to open fire. Mild annoyance with a chihuahua is enough. That is what happens when roided up, lobotomized goons get a gun and badge. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14697 "2019-04-28T01:14:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Law enforcement officials have released little information about a police shooting Friday afternoon in a southeast Oklahoma town, declining to provide answers to what led officers to shoot at a robbery suspect in a pickup truck — injuring him and three of the four children inside. > > Agents with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) say they are still interviewing witnesses to the shooting, which occurred at 2 p.m. Friday near a residential home in Hugo, a town of 5,000 people. Hugo police detectives had been looking for William Devaughn Smith, a 21-year-old suspect in an April 11 robbery at a local Pizza Hut. The detectives were “attempting to make contact” with Smith at a community food center Friday when “shots were fired” at 400 W. Bissell St., state authorities said in a news release. > > Smith, a woman and four unidentified children were in a green pickup when the shooting broke out. Smith was injured, as were three of the children. Authorities have not released the names of the injured children, but OSBI spokeswoman Brook Arbeitman said **they were 5 and younger** and suffered injuries that weren’t life-threatening. > **[Police shot at the vehicle of a robbery suspect — and hit 3 children inside](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/27/police-shot-vehicle-robbery-suspect-hit-children-inside/)** > > Law enforcement officials have released little information about a police shooting Friday afternoon in a southeastern Oklahoma town. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14698 "2019-04-28T11:36:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Authorities have not released the names of the injured children, but OSBI spokeswoman Brook Arbeitman said they were 5 and younger and suffered injuries that weren’t life-threatening. “Don’t be a pussy, Timmy, walk it off.” “Or crawl, whatever.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14699 "2019-04-30T22:21:22Z")
[Noor found guilty!](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/04/30/police-trial-shooting-justine-damond-ruszczyk-australia-noor-verdict) ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14700 "2019-05-02T00:30:59Z")
This numbnut only got probation and kept his job. > **[Detroit police officer sentenced to probation in woman's beating](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/05/01/detroit-police-officer-dewayne-jones-beating-probation/3645146002/)** > > A Detroit district court judge on Wednesday sentenced 47-year-old Dewayne Jones to 12 months' probation. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14701 "2019-05-03T20:23:06Z")
A 76 yo man decides to commit suicide by cop (he has an unloaded handgun). Naturally the cops not only kill him **but also shoot one of the responding officers**. > **[Officer shot by friendly fire in Parkville in encounter with armed man](https://www.wbaltv.com/article/police-shooting-in-parkville/27346769)** > > A Baltimore County police officer was shot Thursday afternoon by friendly fire in an encounter with an armed man. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14702 "2019-05-03T20:29:29Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > A 76 yo man decides to commit suicide by cop (he has an unloaded handgun). Naturally the cops not only kill him **but also shoot one of the responding officers**. > [Baltimore County police officer shot in Parkville; man found dead](https://www.wbaltv.com/article/police-shooting-in-parkville/27346769) With an police accuracy rate between 10% and 25%, it could have gone [much, much worse](https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=734) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=736)