# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 741
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14803 "2019-06-07T20:55:17Z")
Only “many”? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14804 "2019-06-08T11:59:09Z")
Well in York County, PA, they don’t just kill you; they take your organs.:eek: > **[A veteran died in jail and his brain, heart, and throat were mysteriously...](https://www.businessinsider.com/vet-dies-in-prison-organs-removed-cover-up-suspected-2019-6)** > > Army veteran Everett Palmer Jr. died over a year ago, but a number of things about his untimely death in jail still don't make any sense. > [@](#): > > When Palmer’s body was returned to the family, his brain, heart, and throat were all missing, and authorities weren’t particularly forthcoming on the details of where they went. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14805 "2019-06-09T20:02:15Z")
A Sheriff’s Deputy Allegedly Filmed A Mother Sexually Abusing Her 1-Year-Old Son As Part Of His “Fantasy” > **[A Sheriff’s Deputy Allegedly Filmed A Mother Sexually Abusing Her 1-Year-Old...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/deputy-filmed-mother-sexual-abuse-infant)** > > The mother told investigators that the now-fired deputy coerced her into performing oral sex on her child because she had an arrest warrant against her. Can we please just use two bullets and be done with this? WTF is wrong with people? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14806 "2019-06-10T21:16:44Z")
Not a single incident, true, but [let’s go to Missouri anyway](https://apnews.com/debfdf8cd570421fb4bf7f385df4a87f): > [@](#): > > A report from Missouri’s attorney general shows that black drivers across the state are 91% more likely than white motorists to be pulled over by police and newly collected data shows that African-Americans are even more likely to be stopped in many communities where they live. > > The Attorney General’s Office for the first time last year collected data on whether people pulled over by police lived in the area or not. That’s significant because law enforcement organizations for years have said that if drivers of color from out of town are pulled over as they commute through a city with a large white population that could skew a local police agency’s data to make the disparity rate artificially high. > > While that appears to be the case in some jurisdictions, the numbers show the disparity is sometimes actually higher when comparing arrests of only resident white and black drivers. > [@](#): > > For example, St. Louis County police were 80% more likely to stop black drivers compared to white drivers, when analyzing the total number of police stops. But when only comparing St. Louis County drivers, data show black drivers were more than twice as likely to be pulled over. > > In the Kansas City-area city of Blue Springs, which is 87% white based on 2010 census data and close to Interstate 70, black drivers in general were 275% more likely to be stopped. When isolating stops to residents, data show black drivers were nearly three times as likely to be stopped compared to white resident drivers. > [@](#): > > In Ferguson, black drivers in 2014 were 265 percent more likely than white motorists to be pulled over. When comparing only residents, black drivers were more than three times as likely to be stopped compared to white motorists in 2018. > > “For the eighteenth year in a row, the Missouri Attorney General’s office has released a report that shows black communities, and people of color are disproportionately stopped and searched by law enforcement,” ACLU legislative and policy Director Sara Baker said in a statement. “A report is not enough. Actions must be taken.” > > In 2015, data show black drivers were roughly 70% more likely to be stopped by police compared to white motorists statewide. That disparity climbed to 75% in 2016 and up to 85% in 2017 . ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14807 "2019-06-11T20:51:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Two Cuyahoga County, Ohio jail officers are facing a slew of charges after a newly-released video showed the pair brutally punching a Black man in his head while he was strapped to a restraint chair. > **[Horrific Video Shows 2 Ohio Jail Officers Brutally Beating Black Man In...](https://www.essence.com/amp/news/police-brutality-cuyahoga-county-nicholas-evans-timothy-dugan/)** > > Cuyahoga County, Ohio Jail officers Nicholas Evans and Timothy Dugan are facing multiple charges, including felonious assault. In the video, you see the two goons standing near the man, who is fully restrained to a chair, with his mouth covered. One of the goons turns off his body camera. Then, for no reason that’s apparent in the video, the goon just starts punching the prisoner’s head. The second goon then comes over and gets in a whack. There’s a pause, then more punches. Here’s a tweet with the video: [https://twitter.com/sahluwal/status/1138448145359167488](https://twitter.com/sahluwal/status/1138448145359167488) We live in a police state. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14808 "2019-06-12T01:40:00Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > [https://www.essence.com/amp/news/police-brutality-cuyahoga-county-nicholas-evans-timothy-dugan/](https://www.essence.com/amp/news/police-brutality-cuyahoga-county-nicholas-evans-timothy-dugan/) > > In the video, you see the two goons standing near the man, who is fully restrained to a chair, with his mouth covered. One of the goons turns off his body camera. Then, for no reason that’s apparent in the video, the goon just starts punching the prisoner’s head. The second goon then comes over and gets in a whack. There’s a pause, then more punches. > > Here’s a tweet with the video: [https://twitter.com/sahluwal/status/1138448145359167488](https://twitter.com/sahluwal/status/1138448145359167488) > > We live in a police state. How many things like this never get reported or detected? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14809 "2019-06-12T03:31:15Z")
I was just watching that horrific video again. The victim not only had his mouth covered; he was totally blindfolded. Two “officers” beating a completely helpless victim. This is America. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14810 "2019-06-12T11:24:54Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > How many things like this never get reported or detected? That was exactly my first thought, and I bet the answer is, a shit ton. What’s even more stunning is that they did this while knowing that there are cameras in the facility. It tells me that they’re used to getting away with this shit. They’ve done this before. This is a cultural thing. And it wouldn’t surprise me to know that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of police cultures just like it. And now that the current administration is peeling back the civil rights division in the DoJ, they’re probably just feeling as emboldened as ever. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14811 "2019-06-13T18:00:12Z")
Yesterday in Memphis, US Marshals trued to capture 20-year-old Brandon Webber, wanted on felony warrants. The Marshals reported that Webber tried to flee in a vehicle, collided with Marshals’ vehicles, and then produced a weapon and tried to flee on foot. Webber was reportedly shot 16 to 20 times. Soon, a crowd started to gather near the scene of the shooting. The Marshals called Memphis PD for assistance. The situation escalated, with the crowd eventually hurling rocks and bricks and smashing police cars and some buildings. 24 police were injured. No one in the crowd was reported injured. > **[36 Memphis Police And Deputies Hurt In Protests After Deadly Shooting](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/13/732289724/at-least-24-memphis-police-officers-hurt-in-protests-after-deadly-shooting)** > > The shooting occurred around 7 p.m. local time, as officers from the U.S. Marshals Service tried to take a man into custody in the Frayser community in Memphis, Tenn. On the one hand, I’m happy and amazed that the cops didn’t kill anyone in the crowd. So, a tip of the hat to them for not acting like cops in a police state. On the other hand, I have to agree with the County Commissioner who said (paraphrasing) that the cops don’t get the benefit of the doubt, and the community is justified in assuming the killing was unjustified until they get answers. I don’t generally condone violence, but it’s increasingly difficult for me to see nonviolence as effective. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14812 "2019-06-13T23:24:15Z")
[Police fired 55 shots at man in 3.5 seconds. Report finds it ‘reasonable.’](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-fired-55-shots-at-man-in-35-seconds-report-finds-it-reasonable/ar-AACPFu5?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > David Blake, a police consultant and retired officer, also wrote in the report released this week that the use of deadly force was “objectively reasonable and necessary” given the circumstances of the situation. It was objectively reasonable and necessary for 6 officers to unload the magazines into a parked car in 3.5 seconds??? How fast were they firing? How many times can you say ‘blam’ in 3.5 seconds? Probably less that then the number office Eaton fired off. I am a reasonable man and can see different sides, but I cannot see this as ANYTHING but either officers firing in a blind panic or with a desire to kill. > [@](#): > > The independent report was completed on May 17, almost two months after the release of officers’ bodycam videos following pressure by McCoy’s family to make them public. The exact number of bullets that each of the six officers fired was not previously known, but Blake’s report found that Officer Ryan McMahon fired once, while _ **Officer Colin Eaton fired 13 times, Officer Jordon Patzer fired 12 times, officers Bryan Glick and Anthony Romero-Cano fired 11 times each** _, and Officer Mark Thompson fired 7 times. Holy fuck. > [@](#): > > “The death of Mr. McCoy is not the outcome that the City of Vallejo and our community desire,” she said in a statement. The guys that shot Bonnie and Clyde would tip their hats to these guys. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14813 "2019-06-14T00:22:43Z")
> [@](#): > > In his 51-page report, Blake noted that he was provided with police reports, interviews given by the officers and the bodycam footage. The officers in their interviews said they were “scared” and fearful that McCoy was going to shoot at officers.“Officers are not required to wait until a weapon is pointed at them to take the necessary steps to save their own lives,” he wrote. Mr. McCoy was scaring them to death? :dubious::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14814 "2019-06-14T12:57:02Z")
How’d the cops know he did not have a legal right to carry a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14815 "2019-06-14T14:09:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How’d the cops know he did not have a legal right to carry a gun? He was black. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14816 "2019-06-14T14:15:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How’d the cops know he did not have a legal right to carry a gun? That’s one of the things that drives me crazy about cops shooting people with guns: guns are legal to have. What a stupid situation we’ve allowed our country to get into: guns are okay to have BUT you might get shot because you have one, EVEN THO it’s perfectly fine to have one AND it’s perfectly fine that you got shot, even tho you did nothing wrong. Stupid, stupid, stupid. You know how I can tell it’s stupid? Because no one, not even a lunatic, would have designed the system we have now _on purpose_. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14817 "2019-06-14T14:30:38Z")
If you watch the video, at no time do they issue commands to McCoy. The officer stands there with a weapon drawn. He communicates with other officers telling them multiple times that there’s a gun in his lap. Meanwhile, the officer also tells them that the magazine is out so that he only has one shot - one shot. At no time are they communicating with McCoy, who may be simply frozen with fear, or maybe drunk or high (who knows). They empty probably 50 rounds in the guy’s car…and they wanna see his hands? What the ever living fuck? There’s a serious police training crisis in this country. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14818 "2019-06-14T14:33:33Z")
I don’t see that “the system” is the problem, although I know what you mean. It isn’t “the system”, it is faulty interpretation of what is reasonable on the part of police. Guns are legal to own by the vast majority of people. Guns are legal to carry by many people, certainly a majority of people in states that don’t require a carry permit or employ a “shall issue” structure for carry permits. Ergo, police shouldn’t shoot at people just because they have a gun. Or because they \*think \*they have a gun. The fly in the ointment is that police get away with shooting people when it is not reasonable from a “reasonable man” standpoint. Police brass, prosecutors, grand juries and regular old juries all give too much credence to the “I was scared” excuse proffered by cops. An excuse that they wouldn’t grant to Joe Blow under the same circumstances, even though it is assumed that Joe Blow doesn’t have the same training and “professionalism”. Add in the fact that shooting 55 rounds in 3.5 seconds is somehow defined as reasonable under any circumstances, and it’s easy to see why cops have a “shoot first, ask questions later” attitude. It’s the same old, same old. Police need better training, they need to drum out those who are unreasonably frightened, they need to stop circling the wagons and covering up wrongdoing, and there needs to be more accountability. Not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14819 "2019-06-14T14:47:15Z")
Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14820 "2019-06-14T14:54:08Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). Maybe the kid was pointing the barbie at the cops? And they got a’scared. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14821 "2019-06-14T14:56:27Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). My, my, doesn’t the word “professional” spring to mind? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14822 "2019-06-14T16:25:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Maybe the kid was pointing the barbie at the cops? And they got a’scared. I lol’ed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=740) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=742)