# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 742
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14823 "2019-06-14T16:34:25Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). The article said she was one year old, but I’m telling you, she dressed like a two year old! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14824 "2019-06-14T17:22:31Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I don’t see that “the system” is the problem, although I know what you mean. It isn’t “the system”, it is faulty interpretation of what is reasonable on the part of police. Okay… let’s hear your argument. > [@Orwell](#): > > Guns are legal to own by the vast majority of people. Guns are legal to carry by many people, certainly a majority of people in states that don’t require a carry permit or employ a “shall issue” structure for carry permits. Ergo, police shouldn’t shoot at people just because they have a gun. Or because they \*think \*they have a gun. > > The fly in the ointment is that police get away with shooting people when it is not reasonable from a “reasonable man” standpoint. Police brass, prosecutors, grand juries and regular old juries all give too much credence to the “I was scared” excuse proffered by cops. An excuse that they wouldn’t grant to Joe Blow under the same circumstances, even though it is assumed that Joe Blow doesn’t have the same training and “professionalism”. Add in the fact that shooting 55 rounds in 3.5 seconds is somehow defined as reasonable under any circumstances, and it’s easy to see why cops have a “shoot first, ask questions later” attitude. > > It’s the same old, same old. Police need better training, they need to drum out those who are unreasonably frightened, they need to stop circling the wagons and covering up wrongdoing, and there needs to be more accountability. Not holding my breath. Hmmm. That sounds an awful like it’s the system itself that is the problem, to me. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14825 "2019-06-14T18:14:29Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). I think, assuming it holds up, that this is a key point in the article: > [@](#): > > Their claim says the store didn’t report the theft, but officers instead responded based on allegations from an anonymous witness. If I had to guess, someone reported it to an employee who decided they didn’t care, and said someone then called 911. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14826 "2019-06-14T19:57:07Z")
A twofer: bad cop and bad religious leader! After a career upholding the law and protecting us, one Grayson Fritts became a pastor. This weekend he called LGBTQ people animals and called for their execution. > **[‘They are worthy of death’: A cop preached that the government should execute...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/14/they-are-worthy-death-cop-preached-that-government-should-execute-lgbtq-people/?utm_term=.58190c34961e)** > > The Knox County district attorney announced this week that prosecutors are reviewing all pending cases involving Pastor Grayson Fritts, who spent 30 years as a detective in the sheriff's office. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14827 "2019-06-14T20:51:20Z")
I believe the first amendment protects any speech. But seeing the video of this vile nutjob makes it very, very hard not to think there should be some sort of law against this. To think he had a gun and a uniform sends shudders down my spine. Clearly unhinged. The idea that Leviticus is in fact the law of the land, and government and law enforcement are in neglect by not enforcing it, is literally not sane. Also, I hope he never said anything unkind about his mommy or daddy, because in his dreamworld that’d mean he’s going to fry too. But maybe he didn’t read that part of Leviticus - wackos like him tend to laser in on the one line that works for them, to the exclusion of all others. He’s probably not very good at making sure the offerings to god are fully burned. But Lev 20:13, that part is still on the books. Fucktard ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14828 "2019-06-14T20:53:04Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). Perhaps this is minor compared to the primary issue, but what’s up with the cop’s constant use of the word “fucking”? Perhaps as part of the settlement they require that the cop’s mouth be washed out with soup. Preferably by his mother. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14829 "2019-06-14T21:04:30Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > Perhaps this is minor compared to the primary issue, but what’s up with the cop’s constant use of the word “fucking”? Perhaps as part of the settlement they require that the cop’s mouth be washed out with soup. Preferably by his mother. Or at least a pants-down spanking. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14830 "2019-06-15T08:17:28Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > Perhaps as part of the settlement they require that the cop’s mouth be washed out with soup. Preferably by his mother. You know my mother and her cooking. We would have rather eaten soap. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14831 "2019-06-15T08:58:08Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > I believe the first amendment protects any speech. But seeing the video of this vile nutjob makes it very, very hard not to think there should be some sort of law against this. To think he had a gun and a uniform sends shudders down my spine. Clearly unhinged. The idea that Leviticus is in fact the law of the land, and government and law enforcement are in neglect by not enforcing it, is literally not sane. Also, I hope he never said anything unkind about his mommy or daddy, because in his dreamworld that’d mean he’s going to fry too. But maybe he didn’t read that part of Leviticus - wackos like him tend to laser in on the one line that works for them, to the exclusion of all others. He’s probably not very good at making sure the offerings to god are fully burned. But Lev 20:13, that part is still on the books. Fucktard Last I checked, inciting violence is not protected speech. I don’t know how his rant is possibly defensible. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14832 "2019-06-15T14:50:48Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Last I checked, inciting violence is not protected speech. I don’t know how his rant is possibly defensible. That’s wat makes this extra disturbing: He’s not inciting extra-judicial violence. He specifically says that “Christians” shouldn’t themselves round up gays (and presumably those who curse at their parents) for execution. He states that police should arrest them, courts of law should find them guilty, and then execute them - as a matter of course, because Leviticus, and therefore god, commands such . His beef is first that police and the judiciary are not already doing this, and second that “Christians” are not sufficiently firmly demanding this of their law-enforcement and legislation. So best I can tell he is actually firmly within the bounds of free speech, and at the same time spewing some of the most reprehensible filth I’ve seen outside of ISIS. The notion that we have/had an armed police officer who believes there is a whole set of laws governing the land not actually on any of our books is terrifying. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14833 "2019-06-15T20:14:57Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > He states that police should arrest them, courts of law should find them guilty, and then execute them - as a matter of course, because Leviticus, and therefore god, commands such . Deuteronomy **32** **35** Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly. **36** For the Lord will vindicate his people and have compassion on his servants … **39** See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Romans **12** **18** If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. **19** Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” **20** No, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink …” Yeah, I think “doing god’s work” means something other than what they have been telling us. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14834 "2019-06-16T04:51:46Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). Finally had a chance to watch it with the sound on and good god what is wrong with these animals? They aren’t humans, they are animals. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14835 "2019-06-16T15:01:27Z")
Check out this story from USA TODAY: Off-duty cop fatally shot man who hit him at Costco The officer shot a man who had attacked him while he was holding his child, the Corona Police Department said. Two of the man’s relatives were wounded. > **['Is this another mass shooting?' Panic at Corona, Calif., Costco as off-duty...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/16/offduty-lapd-officer-involved-in-costco-shooting/1470749001/)** > > The officer shot a man who had attacked him while he was holding his child, the Corona Police Department said. Two of the man's relatives were wounded. Another trigger happy cop. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14836 "2019-06-16T15:08:47Z")
I was gonna post about the same thing, **UCB**. I’m waiting to hear what the survivors have to say before I form a solid opinion, tho. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14837 "2019-06-16T15:50:14Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I was gonna post about the same thing, **UCB**. I’m waiting to hear what the survivors have to say before I form a solid opinion, tho. It seems like way more force than necessary for the situation with no weapons on the three people. Maybe video will surface from security cameras. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14838 "2019-06-16T16:44:36Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > It seems like way more force than necessary for the situation with no weapons on the three people. Maybe video will surface from security cameras. Aye; there may also be surveillance video from Costco. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14839 "2019-06-16T21:03:14Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Guns drawn, threatening to shoot a pregnant mother holding her child, Arizona cops dislocate a 1-year-old’s arm. [Over a Barbie doll](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/watch-arizona-cops-terrorize-black-family-at-gunpoint-after-4-year-old-takes-barbie-doll-from-dollar-store/). I’m glad nobody pointed out the irrelevancy that the police targets were black. That was pure coincidence: racism has been eradicated in the U.S.A. for fifty years. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14840 "2019-06-16T23:11:37Z")
My question is why are they ignoring that this child tested positive for the marijuanas and the cracks, also why are they ignoring this child’s extensive arrest record! 😉 CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14841 "2019-06-17T00:36:15Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Check out this story from USA TODAY: Off-duty cop fatally shot man who hit him at Costco > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I was gonna post about the same thing, **UCB**. I’m waiting to hear what the survivors have to say before I form a solid opinion, tho. > [@UCBearcats](#): > > It seems like way more force than necessary for the situation with no weapons on the three people. Maybe video will surface from security cameras. [Investigation happening & family of the deceased talking](https://apnews.com/473e8c3eedd047449dd8de3f1fff92a9) (tho not the two who were shot, yet). > [@](#): > > The Los Angeles Police Department is gathering evidence and video footage in an administrative investigation into an off-duty officer who shot and killed a man authorities say attacked him inside a Southern California Costco Wholesale warehouse store. > > Authorities remained tight-lipped Sunday, not responding to requests for comment about what provoked the Friday night confrontation and whether anyone but the officer was armed. > [@](#): > > The officer opened fire after Kenneth French, 32, of Riverside, “assaulted” him “without provocation” as the officer held his young child, Corona police said Saturday. > [@](#): > > Rick Shureih, French’s cousin, told The Press-Enterprise that he was a “gentle giant” who was mentally disabled. > > Shureih also identified the other two victims as French’s parents, Russell and Paola French, and said they remained in an intensive care unit Sunday. Authorities have not released their names. > > French’s family is seeking an attorney, Shureih said, and declined to give specifics about his mental condition. > > French was “non-violent, non-aggressive, non-verbal,” his cousin said, and “he has to be pretty much monitored.” > > “He’s not the kind to trade words, so I don’t believe that a verbal confrontation happened,” Shureih said. I have a bad feeling about this now. ETA: Would the officer have been subject to a sobriety/drug/alcohol test at all after the shooting? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14842 "2019-06-17T02:08:57Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > My question is why are they ignoring that this child tested positive for the marijuanas and the cracks, also why are they ignoring this child’s extensive arrest record! > > 😉 > CMC fnord! This is a four-year-old _thug_ we’re talking about here! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=741) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=743)