# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 745
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14883 "2019-06-28T14:34:16Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > If it were me, I would consult a lawyer and NOT talk to reporters. But I realize a lot of people find it impossible to resist talking to reporters. But you would think there would be some kind of followup to the incident (not that I have looked). That’s what I mean, tho: there’s two survivors yet no published interview. There’s an entire police department “investigating” but no word on what they’ve been doing. The police have a lockdown on all information about this, it seems, and yeah, I agree it’s prolly because they’re trying to figure out how to bury it all. I, like many (most?) Americans, have very little confidence in the police’s ability to adequately investigate on of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14884 "2019-06-28T22:47:01Z")
[Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader indicted on 16 charges](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/pike-county-sheriff-charles-reader-indicted-on-16-charges/ar-AADzt2E) > [@](#): > > Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader was accused in November of stealing cash seized from drug cases handled by the sheriff’s office to fund a gambling problem. An anonymous source made the allegation in a complaint that was forwarded to the Ohio Auditor’s Office ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14885 "2019-06-28T23:01:13Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Patient given the clear to take a walk with his IV is arrested for stealing IV](https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/cops-gone-rogue/man-following-doctor-s-orders-to-walk-around-hospital-arrested-for-stealing-iv-FYad0bj-fk-An-K4ob3SEQ/) …holy fucking shit. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14886 "2019-06-29T00:00:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That’s what I mean, tho: there’s two survivors yet no published interview. There’s an entire police department “investigating” but no word on what they’ve been doing. The police have a lockdown on all information about this, it seems, and yeah, I agree it’s prolly because they’re trying to figure out how to bury it all. I, like many (most?) Americans, have very little confidence in the police’s ability to adequately investigate on of their own. This investigation needs to be done by the state or federal level No way the local PD can do this fairly. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14887 "2019-06-29T00:51:25Z")
[LA Times posted this 1 hour ago:](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-costco-shooting-riverside-county-da-lapd-officer-kenneth-french-20190628-story.html) > [@](#): > > The Riverside County district attorney’s office is reviewing whether to criminally charge an off-duty Los Angeles Police Department officer for fatally shooting a 32-year-old man with an intellectual disability and wounding his parents in an altercation at a Costco store in Corona. > > John Hall, a spokesman for the district attorney, said prosecutors got the case from Corona police on Thursday. ETA: Okay, an hour ten. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14888 "2019-07-02T18:36:49Z")
The Miami cop that shot the caretaker of the mentally disabled man holding a toy truck gets off with a misdemeanor. > **[Miami Officer Acquitted Of Attempted Manslaughter In Shooting Of Caregiver](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733621616/miami-officer-acquitted-of-attempted-manslaughter-in-shooting-of-caregiver)** > > Jonathan Aledda testified that he did not intend to shoot Charles Kinsey, a caregiver for a man with autism who the officer says he mistakenly thought was armed. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14889 "2019-07-02T20:18:54Z")
That’s friggin’ ridiculous ☹ The testimony is out of the Twilight Zone - “I thought the white guy had a gun. I thought he was taking the black guy hostage. I thought the white might harm someone” “Yeah, but you shot the black guy.” “Like I said, I thought the white guy had a gun” 😕😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14890 "2019-07-03T15:06:46Z")
How’s this for outrageous? [NJ judge slammed for pointing out accused teen’s ‘good family’ in rape case: report](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nj-judge-slammed-for-pointing-out-accused-teens-good-family-in-rape-case-report/ar-AADMKp5?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > A New Jersey family court judge was reprimanded by an appeals court panel last month for refusing to try a 16-year-old boy accused of raping an intoxicated girl and sharing video of the alleged assault with friends as an adult because he was “from a good family,” and Eagle scout and attended an “excellent school,” reports said. > [@](#): > > But Judge James Troiano of Superior Court reportedly denied the waiver and scolded prosecutors for not explaining to the girl and her mother “the devastating effect” pressing charges would have on “G.M.C.’s life.” I can’t even fucking believe it. This judge is worse than the asshole in the Brock Turner case. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14891 "2019-07-03T15:28:27Z")
What with the right-wing stampede to stack the courts lately, I doubt this is the last or the worst that we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14892 "2019-07-03T16:43:09Z")
Cops give lame excuses too! [Louisville police sex abuse scandal: Kenneth Betts begs for mercy](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/louisville-police-sex-abuse-scandal-kenneth-betts-begs-for-mercy/ar-AADKTSi) > [@](#): > > A tearful Betts asked Hale several times for leniency and “grace and mercy,” saying he is embarrassed and ashamed of what he did and takes full responsibility. > > “I never intended to hurt anybody, even though I know I have,” Betts told the court. _“I never intended to hurt anybody”_. We find this…_difficult._…to believe. > [@](#): > > Prosecutors have said in court papers that Betts met four unidentified teen victims through the Explorer program. > > “Betts was persistent and graphic in his communications,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Jo Lawless wrote in a sentencing memorandum. “His recurring behavior with the four minors demonstrates the significance of his sexual interest in children.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14893 "2019-07-03T22:19:11Z")
[Video appears to show Native American man struck in hit-and-run by border patrol vehicle](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paulo-remes-video-border-patrol-tohono-oodham-nation/). Hard to add much to this; watch the 94 second video at the link. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14894 "2019-07-05T21:41:52Z")
> **[MSP officer runs stops sign, hit by car, arrests other driver](https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/msp-officer-runs-stops-sign-hit-by-car-arrests-other-driver.amp)** > > A police officer in an unmarked SUV ran a stop sign before getting struck by a car on Wednesday. The crash happened at the corner of Livernois and Cadet Street in southwest Detroit. Video surveillance from a neighbor's house shows a Michigan... Cop totally in the wrong with this one. Video and witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14895 "2019-07-05T21:54:16Z")
> [@](#): > > “He told him call my parents, call my mother,” Martinez said of her son. “The police officer say 'you’re 27 years old, you’re old enough, you don’t need no parents **and plus you don’t have no rights right now.** ” > > Maria said her son is a U.S. citizen. What the fuck? “…and plus you don’t have no rights right now”? What the fuck? Fire this cop NOW. Blacklist him from law enforcement, security or any other similar job. Fucking lawbreaking, oppressing asshole. ETA: > [@](#): > > Maria is still trying to get information from the police. She said MSP has Carlos’s license and his phone. > > “When I asked the cop to give me his supervisor’s number, so I could call and get my son’s items back, he didn’t want to give me no information.” > > MSP said Thursday morning the driver had been released to a local hospital and has not been charged. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14896 "2019-07-05T21:57:47Z")
[Russell and Paola French are still hospitalized](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Riverside-Costco-shooting-update-lawyer-512201541.html). No word on charges being filed yet. > [@](#): > > “Russell is fighting an infection and pneumonia, making his recovery slower than expected,” said the French’s attorney, Dale Galipo. “Paola still has some complications with her wounds, which will require additional surgeries.” > [@](#): > > According to the attorney, the Riverside County coroner’s office has completed an autopsy on Kenneth French, and his body awaits burial at an unspecified date. > > District Attorney Mike Hestrin confirmed last week that the Corona Police Department’s findings in the shooting had been submitted to the D.A.'s office, and a team of prosecutors and agency investigators are conducting a review. > > Hestrin told City News Service that detectives submitted the case file without a specific recommendation, leaving it to the D.A.'s office to make an unbiased determination based on the facts. It was unknown when the review might be completed. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14897 "2019-07-05T23:40:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > What the fuck? “…and plus you don’t have no rights right now”? What the fuck? Fire this cop NOW. Blacklist him from law enforcement, security or any other similar job. Fucking lawbreaking, oppressing asshole. > > ETA: This is the kind of bullshit that drives a wedge between cops and normal people. This guy should get a 7 figure settlement from the state when this is over. I’m sure the cop will get to return to his undercover sleeze. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14898 "2019-07-07T03:20:42Z")
[Tempe, AZ for this one:](https://apnews.com/8890b19da5a24a73b5ff95bd1a4c52ed) > [@](#): > > Starbucks is apologizing after an employee reportedly asked six police officers to leave or change their location in one of the company’s shops in a Phoenix suburb because another customer reported feeling unsafe. > > Starbucks said it has “deep respect for the Tempe Police Department” and was apologizing “for any misunderstanding or inappropriate behavior that may have taken place” during the July 4 encounter. > > The Tempe Officers Association said the officers had just bought their drinks and were standing together before their shift started when a barista made the request for a customer. The association called the request offensive and disheartening. > > Association President Rob Ferraro called it perplexing that someone would feel unsafe when officers are around. “Perplexing”! 😃 Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! OMFG that’s hilarious! He oughta read thru this thread eh. It is kind of funny to think of cops, who are used to being treated like ‘heroes’ find themselves instead berated as undesirable filth, just like so many of them do to so many others, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14899 "2019-07-07T04:46:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Tempe, AZ for this one:](https://apnews.com/8890b19da5a24a73b5ff95bd1a4c52ed)“Perplexing”! > > 😃 > > Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! OMFG that’s hilarious! He oughta read thru this thread eh. > > It is kind of funny to think of cops, who are used to being treated like ‘heroes’ find themselves instead berated as undesirable filth, just like so many of them do to so many others, so there’s that. Nice! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14900 "2019-07-07T15:52:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Tempe, AZ for this one:](https://apnews.com/8890b19da5a24a73b5ff95bd1a4c52ed)“Perplexing”! > > 😃 > > Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! OMFG that’s hilarious! He oughta read thru this thread eh. > > It is kind of funny to think of cops, who are used to being treated like ‘heroes’ find themselves instead berated as undesirable filth, just like so many of them do to so many others, so there’s that. I just sent Ferraro, through the TOA contact page, this: > [@me](#): > > Per the AP, “Association President Rob Ferraro called it perplexing that someone would feel unsafe when officers are around.” > Perhaps this is why: > [Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=736919) > Most officers are the salt of the earth but there are enough who are not, your typical citizen is at best uneasy when they congregate. Until those bastards are eliminated root and branch from your ranks, not only by their chiefs – who are half political anyway – but the rank and file, this uneasiness will continue. Your guys in Starbucks caught some of the push back. It will be interesting to see what reply, if any, is made. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14901 "2019-07-07T16:06:43Z")
The problem is, the salt of the earth types feel compelled to stay silent about the bastards. Nothing will improve until they police themselves. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14902 "2019-07-10T16:26:09Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I just sent Ferraro, through the TOA contact page, this: > > It will be interesting to see what reply, if any, is made. 'Tis three days later and no reply. Color me surprised. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=744) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=746)