# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 746
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14903 "2019-07-10T16:58:38Z")
Dear Mr. **Dog** - Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, that people are afraid because they are hysterical nutbags flagellating themselves with cherry-picked statistics and self-deception is something we already knew. Regards, [del]The TOA[/del] Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14904 "2019-07-10T17:02:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Dear Mr. **Dog** - > > Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, that people are afraid because they are hysterical nutbags flagellating themselves with cherry-picked statistics and self-deception is something we already knew. > > Regards, > [del]The TOA[/del] Shodan This meshes quite well with your other posts about black people. Would you characterize those ~50% of black people who report that they personally have been mistreated by law enforcement as the n-word, in addition to being “hysterical nutbags flagellating themselves…”? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14905 "2019-07-10T17:03:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Dear Mr. **Dog** - > > Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, that people are afraid because they are hysterical nutbags flagellating themselves with cherry-picked statistics and self-deception is something we already knew. > > Regards, > [del]The TOA[/del] Shodan Why would he be talking about people who carry guns in public? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14906 "2019-07-10T20:05:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why would he be talking about people who carry guns in public? He wouldn’t be. He would be talking more about people who are afraid of the police because they are hysterical nutbags. He even cited it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14907 "2019-07-10T20:21:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > He wouldn’t be. He would be talking more about people who are afraid of the police because they are hysterical nutbags. > > He even cited it. > > Regards, > Shodan Huh, that’s weird. Because what you described is exactly the type of people who carry guns in public. “people [who] are afraid because they are hysterical nutbags flagellating themselves with cherry-picked statistics and self-deception” ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14908 "2019-07-11T00:46:36Z")
So this controversial encounter happened in 2017 but video from the cop car cam is just now being released. [Dash cam video shows trooper aggressively arresting motorcyclist in Cedar County | KGAN](https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/dash-cam-video-shows-trooper-aggressively-arresting-motorcyclist-in-cedar-county) Iowa State Patrol trooper chases down speeding biker and just lays into him right off the bat. Trooper is now employed by the city of Durant, Iowa. Why has this come to light? A local county Sheriff is refusing to book “criminals” if they have been arrested in the city of Durant, Iowa. Why? Because of “this is just one example of his concerns about police judgement by smith and the Durant Police Department.” Smith being the former Iowa State Patrol trooper in the above linked video/article. Smith is married to “Dawn Smith, chairwoman of the Cedar County Board of Supervisors”. [In rural Iowa feud, sheriff won't honor small town's arrests | KGAN](https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/cedar-county-sheriff-concerned-about-integrity-at-durant-police-department) ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14909 "2019-07-11T01:40:09Z")
“Using what some call excessive force “. Some? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14910 "2019-07-11T12:53:46Z")
Florida cop is arrested after he planted methamphetamine on random drivers after traffic stops. 120 defendants had their charges thrown out. > **[Former Florida officer allegedly planted drugs during traffic stops,...](https://news.yahoo.com/former-florida-officer-allegedly-planted-180952213.html)** > > Former Jackson County Deputy Zach Wester was arrested this morning on numerous charges that he planted street drugs like meth on unsuspecting motorists before hauling them off to jail. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14911 "2019-07-11T13:25:37Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Florida cop is arrested after he planted methamphetamine on random drivers after traffic stops. 120 defendants had their charges thrown out. > > [Former Florida officer allegedly planted drugs during traffic stops, 'tailored' body cam video](https://news.yahoo.com/former-florida-officer-allegedly-planted-180952213.html) > [@](#): > > More than a dozen people who were arrested by Wester have filed lawsuits or notices of their intent to sue the Sheriff’s Office over the former deputy’s alleged misconduct. Wouldn’t a civil suit be pretty much a gimme here? Why only a dozen? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14912 "2019-07-11T13:32:57Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Wouldn’t a civil suit be pretty much a gimme here? Why only a dozen? It does say “more” than a dozen. 😉 The story just broke, so I expect that many, many more will be filing suit. Which is probably why the police are pursuing this case so hard. They can say, “look, we’re doing everything we can”. I would think this should cost the police department/community/insurance company a lot of money. Unless there is some kind of loophole protecting the police department from paying out. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14913 "2019-07-11T14:16:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Florida cop is arrested after he planted methamphetamine on random drivers after traffic stops. 120 defendants had their charges thrown out. > > [Former Florida officer allegedly planted drugs during traffic stops, 'tailored' body cam video](https://news.yahoo.com/former-florida-officer-allegedly-planted-180952213.html) 263 cases still under review. This guy is a monster. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14914 "2019-07-11T18:28:29Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > This guy is a monster. Oh please. He’s a cop. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14915 "2019-07-11T18:37:58Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Wouldn’t a civil suit be pretty much a gimme here? Why only a dozen? Meh, these people were probably all guilty anyway. The officer would have known this by their “looks”. And they are only suing because they are hysterical nutbags who are only afraid of police because they are hysterical nutbags who are just looking at their own cherry-picked situation. \ ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14916 "2019-07-11T20:11:33Z")
Before you criticize him, try walking a mile in the shoes of a policeman who plants drugs on people and then arrests them. Then you’ll feel different! ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14917 "2019-07-11T20:17:33Z")
Not so sure, I’m already an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14918 "2019-07-11T21:12:33Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > 263 cases still under review. This guy is a monster. The victims of every single conviction that motherfucker ever had his hands in should be compensated by Fla.and have their convictions expunged. One of his victims lost custody of a child as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14919 "2019-07-12T01:19:26Z")
Arizona cop is getting $2,500 a month because killing an unarmed man in a hotel hallway gave him PTSD: > [@](#): > > An Arizona cop acquitted of murder in 2017 for killing a man crawling on his knees, begging for his life, in a hotel hallway, was temporarily rehired by the city he worked for so that he could claim a disability pension and file for a medical retirement that will pay him more than $2,500 a month for the rest of his life. > > … > > Brailsford shot Shaver in a confrontation in a hotel hallway in 2016 after police were called there by somebody who had seen Shaver holding a gun in his room. > > The gun turned out to be a pellet gun, but police apparently didn’t know that. During the response, police ordered Shaver, who was unarmed, out into the hallway on his knees and ordered him to crawl in their direction while keeping his hands up, and they continued to bark confusing orders at him. As Shaver, clearly terrified, attempted to comply, at one point he gestured behind himself, possibly to pull up his pants, and Brailsford immediately opened fire, killing him. > **[This Cop Is Getting $2,500 a Month Because Killing an Unarmed Man in a Hotel...](https://reason.com/2019/07/11/this-cop-is-getting-2500-a-month-because-killing-an-unarmed-man-in-a-hotel-hallway-gave-him-ptsd/?fbclid=IwAR0mc2GGe_eDZf7DDxYn-DOxvgrwNRRBKlpB5Nivo1okEYsibTtElWZiqio&&fbclid=IwAR3ifjgAh0aap7EA4KlfAPtbCJMgMzAjXasQLX7OMzNt0DxzxTEXgqGeWSg&__twitter_impression=true)** > > Phillip Brailsford was acquitted of murder for a shooting captured on video that subsequently drew national outrage. Now he's getting paid for it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14920 "2019-07-12T13:59:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Kenneth French’s parents, Russell and Paola, are both awake and aware their son was killed. That’s about all the new information I found tho. > > [Costco shooting: Wounded parents learn their son is dead. ‘They are devastated’](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-costco-shooting-parents-lapd-20190624-story.html) > > From this bit:Okay; I’m very skeptical of this story. There better be video that shows him being beaten while he was unconscious or something similar because this does not make any sense. It’s been a month and I cannot find any update on this story. As far as I know, this murdered is still walking free. Can anyone find an update on this? Have they even released the killer’s name? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14921 "2019-07-12T14:16:30Z")
[Georgia deputy charged with sexual exploitation of children after investigation](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-deputy-charged-with-sexual-exploitation-of-children-after-investigation/ar-AAEcHYv) > [@](#): > > A south Georgia deputy has been arrested on charges of sexual exploitation of children and possession of child porn. > > Former Bulloch County Deputy Travis Tuenge was arrested on Thursday after the sheriff requested state agents to investigate disturbing charges against him. At least it looks like the department took appropriate action. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14922 "2019-07-12T14:23:51Z")
[Chicago Police Commander Under Investigation After Leading Indiana State Police On High Speed Chase](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-police-commander-under-investigation-after-leading-indiana-state-police-on-high-speed-chase/ar-AAEcoD8) > [@](#): > > According to ISP records, Wodnicki identified himself as a Chicago Police Officer and told the responding troopers that he was heading to his office in Chicago. And, of course, they went easy on him. > [@](#): > > Indiana State Police issued Wodnicki a felony citation for resisting law enforcement with a vehicle. However, he was allowed to leave the scene. > > Despite being clocked by ISP Troopers at 114 mph, the citation says that Wodnicki was traveling at 80 mph. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=745) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=747)