# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 747
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14923 "2019-07-12T14:58:46Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Chicago Police Commander Under Investigation After Leading Indiana State Police On High Speed Chase](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-police-commander-under-investigation-after-leading-indiana-state-police-on-high-speed-chase/ar-AAEcoD8) > > And, of course, they went easy on him. Wow, most if not all of us would wind up with injuries and a night in jail. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14924 "2019-07-12T15:18:11Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Wow, most if not all of us would wind up with injuries and a night in jail. Without reading the article, I’m going to take a wild guess that Wodnicki is white. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14925 "2019-07-13T12:36:59Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > It’s been a month and I cannot find any update on this story. As far as I know, this murdered is still walking free. Can anyone find an update on this? Have they even released the killer’s name? The cop’s name is Salvador Sanchez. According to [this story](https://abcnews.go.com/US/off-duty-lapd-officer-allegedly-fatally-shot-man/story?id=63834824), he’s on administrative leave while the LAPD conducts an internal investigation. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14926 "2019-07-13T15:52:58Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > 263 cases still under review. This guy is a monster. Just popping in to see which pieces of shit defend this piece of shit … I already kinda know. ---
**Author:** ![Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bam_Boo_Gut)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14927 "2019-07-17T00:09:32Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPACug79bGM) and calls 911 to say there’s a guy with a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14928 "2019-07-17T00:26:24Z")
Holy crap! I don’t even know what to be outraged about regarding that story. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14929 "2019-07-17T03:07:46Z")
That does not surprise me at all. I had the misfortune to have to teach some courses in a college law-and-security program. Most of the students were dumber than dog shit and did not have a hope in hell of getting into the provincial police college, and many of them were maladjusted. One of them did not show for any classes, did not do any assignments, and did not write any tests, so at the end of term when he learned that he had flunked, he stormed in and launched at me from across my desk. Unfortunately for him, he also was clueless as to what a well used rugby jersey signified. Unrelated to this, my S.O. at the time said that her son got a job as a security guard. I replied that he would end up getting arrested. I should have been more sensitive by either keeping my mouth shut or making supportive noises. Fortunately, I learned my lesson and made supportive noises to her when her son was arrested for assault against a woman about a year later. Here in Ontario, the police are pretty good at weeding out the the power and control assholes during Ontario Police College and during the hiring process, so for the most part, they are professionals whom I respect, but a significant proportion of the the security guards – the wanna be cops for all the wrong reasons – are not. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14930 "2019-07-17T03:49:02Z")
> [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](#): > > and calls 911 to say there's a guy with a gun. Not surprising, the guy who had the gun pulled on him was black. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14931 "2019-07-17T03:57:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Florida cop is arrested after he planted methamphetamine on random drivers after traffic stops. 120 defendants had their charges thrown out. > > [Former Florida officer allegedly planted drugs during traffic stops, 'tailored' body cam video](https://news.yahoo.com/former-florida-officer-allegedly-planted-180952213.html) I found some new information about this case: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBMYVY5rZ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBMYVY5rZ0) The relevant stuff is in the first 2:57 of this 5:51 video; the rest is commentary. TL;DW: Christine Pumphrey received explicit instructions from higher up the chain to NOT drop any of the cases involving arrests by now-former-officer Zach Wester, being told “just let them sit in jail.” She also says that chief assistant state attorney Larry Bamford chastised her, screaming at her about “why did you look into this? why did you watch the Teresa Odom video?” etc. It’s not just a few bad apples. It’s a bad tree. The video notes that Christine Pumphrey quit her job after this; I assume she did so because she has honor and integrity. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14932 "2019-07-17T06:01:30Z")
Deutsch Welle [reports that](https://www.dw.com/en/no-charges-against-new-york-officer-for-i-cant-breathe-death-of-eric-garner/a-49614338) nypd officer Daniel Pantaleo will not be charged in the strangling “_I can’t breathe_” death of Eric Garner because willful intent cannot be proven. (Hmm. So, manslaughter is not an option?) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14933 "2019-07-17T15:08:54Z")
[He was serving life in prison for a murder. Prosecutors had evidence that he was ‘likely innocent’ for 27 years](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/he-was-serving-life-in-prison-for-a-murder-prosecutors-had-evidence-that-he-was-likely-innocent-for-27-years/ar-AAEqVia?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office recently said prosecutors and police _ **had credible evidence linking at least three other people, including a person who was driving the suspects’ SUV, to the crime for years** _. > They noted that an anonymous caller told police the name of the driver less than 24 hours after the crime, but that tip was never shared with defense attorneys, prosecutors said in a recent court filing. > > Assistant District Attorney Patricia Cummings, head of the office’s conviction integrity unit, told reporters Monday that it was “pretty clear” that Hollman might never have stood trial _if police and prosecutors working on the case had disclosed some of the evidence they had to the defense_. Black guy, of course. Convicted for being in the area and having a ‘similar’ license plate. I guess finding the actual killer would have been too much trouble. Holy Jesus, how were these people able to sleep or look in a mirror??? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14934 "2019-07-17T15:17:53Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Deutsch Welle [reports that](https://www.dw.com/en/no-charges-against-new-york-officer-for-i-cant-breathe-death-of-eric-garner/a-49614338) nypd officer Daniel Pantaleo will not be charged in the strangling “_I can’t breathe_” death of Eric Garner because willful intent cannot be proven. > > (Hmm. So, manslaughter is not an option?) The federal government has no jurisdiction over manslaughter charges. The feds were investigating the possibility of federal civil rights violations. Years ago state grand jury heard the case and they declined to return an indictment on manslaughter or any other charges. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14935 "2019-07-17T22:07:12Z")
[LAPD Officer Charged With Raping 2 Victims, Was Linked to Earlier Sexual Assault After DNA Match](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lapd-officer-charged-with-raping-2-victims-was-linked-to-earlier-sexual-assault-after-dna-match/ar-AAEtqyE) > [@](#): > > A 10-year veteran with the Los Angeles Police Department was charged with two counts of rape Wednesday after a DNA match linked him to a second sexual assault case, authorities announced. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14936 "2019-07-18T00:53:29Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [LAPD Officer Charged With Raping 2 Victims, Was Linked to Earlier Sexual Assault After DNA Match](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lapd-officer-charged-with-raping-2-victims-was-linked-to-earlier-sexual-assault-after-dna-match/ar-AAEtqyE) from the linked article: > [@](#): > > Rodriguez allegedly sexually assaulted a female acquaintance at his home on Nov. 1, 2018. > > Officials entered his DNA into the state’s database and received a “cold hit” notification, which linked him to another rape case in August 2015, according to police. > > That assault involved a second female victim and happened “under similar circumstances,” the L.A. County District Attorney’s Office said. So he raped an acquaintance in 2015 and was not arrested? He raped an acquaintance in 2015 and somehow was still working as a cop? How the fuck did this happen??? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14937 "2019-07-19T18:07:24Z")
[Mesa officers recount sexual harassment by Officer Jeffrey Neese](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mesa-officers-recount-sexual-harassment-by-officer-jeffrey-neese/ar-AAExdRT#image=AAEyyMb%7C2) > [@](#): > > Initially, Neese was going to be moved to a sergeant position in the patrol department in addition to receiving a 50-hour unpaid suspension as discipline. He was pulled from SWAT, but the suspension was postponed after another victim came forward. > > Amanda Cook received similar graphic messages to her personal phone, according to the legal documents. He even including emojis insinuating he was masturbating. 6 people have complained about him. Including one male officer who’s wife was being harassed. They think there will probably more coming. > [@](#): > > Cook’s allegations were also sustained by HR. However, the city ultimately decided Neese would keep his job, but be demoted to an officer within the patrol division. Gibbs said city officials told her they were limited by policy and prior precedent. Why would he keep his job??? His behavior is unprofessional, unethical, damaging to the morale of the department, actionable…oh, and _criminal_. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14938 "2019-07-19T18:15:34Z")
[Alaska’s Police Crisis: Every Cop in This Village Has Been Convicted of Domestic Violence](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mesa-officers-recount-sexual-harassment-by-officer-jeffrey-neese/ar-AAExdRT#image=AAEyyMb%7C2) > [@](#): > > Issues related to understaffing and lack of funding has forced the town to relax their hiring standards for police officers in order to recruit enough staff to ensure the safety of roughly 565 residents. Due to the remote location of the village and the $14 an hour salary, _ **applicants willing to take the role are often limited to ex-convicts** _. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14939 "2019-07-21T02:08:17Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Alaska’s Police Crisis: Every Cop in This Village Has Been Convicted of Domestic Violence](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mesa-officers-recount-sexual-harassment-by-officer-jeffrey-neese/ar-AAExdRT#image=AAEyyMb%7C2) Your link goes to a story about Mesa, AZ Officer Jeffrey Neese, who sexually harassed other cops. I googled using the quote you posted, tho and found [the Newsweek story here](https://www.newsweek.com/alaskas-police-crisis-every-cop-this-village-has-been-convicted-domestic-violence-1450106). And hey, speaking of Alaska: [Report: At least 14 Alaska cities have officers with records](https://apnews.com/b08e9fac28bd4c0ea9cd00d85b29f3d4) > [@](#): > > At least 14 cities in Alaska have employed police officers whose criminal records should have prevented them from being hired under state law, the Anchorage Daily News and ProPublica reported Saturday. > > The news organizations said they found more than 34 officers who should have been ineligible for these jobs. In all but three cases, the police hires were never reported by the city governments to the state’s Department of Public Safety, as required, the Daily News and ProPublica reported. > > In eight additional communities, local tribal governments have hired tribal police officers convicted of domestic violence or sex crimes, the news organizations reported. > > All 42 of these tribal and city police officers have rap sheets that would prevent them from being hired by the Anchorage Police Department and its urban peers, as Alaska state troopers or even as private security guards most anywhere else in the United States, the news organizations said. Many remain on the job. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14940 "2019-07-22T14:58:16Z")
Not sure AOC qualifies as a civilian, and whether a facebook post counts as an encounter, but how the fuck does this guy still have a badge? [Louisiana police officer's Facebook post says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'needs a round,' report says](https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-police-officers-facebook-post-133040139.html) ? I guess they’re not sure if he really means it. That explains it. I mean, if they were really, really sure he means it, maybe they’d call it regrettable, or something. How about any police officer who calls for the extrajudicial killing of _anyone_ loses his badge. That shouldn’t be too hard to get behind, should it? ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14941 "2019-07-23T15:11:23Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Not sure AOC qualifies as a civilian, and whether a facebook post counts as an encounter, but how the fuck does this guy still have a badge? [Louisiana police officer's Facebook post says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'needs a round,' report says](https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-police-officers-facebook-post-133040139.html) ? I guess they’re not sure if he really means it. That explains it. I mean, if they were really, really sure he means it, maybe they’d call it regrettable, or something. > How about any police officer who calls for the extrajudicial killing of _anyone_ loses his badge. That shouldn’t be too hard to get behind, should it? Well, whaddaya know: [Louisiana policemen fired over Facebook post suggesting Ocasio-Cortez be shot](https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-policemen-fired-over-facebook-230856950.html). He got fired. Swift, appropriate action - sad how it seems an exception, but very happy with tecoutcome. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14942 "2019-07-23T18:21:49Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Well, whaddaya know: [Louisiana policemen fired over Facebook post suggesting Ocasio-Cortez be shot](https://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-policemen-fired-over-facebook-230856950.html). He got fired. Swift, appropriate action - sad how it seems an exception, but very happy with tecoutcome. He was probably more likely to get fired for that Facebook post than he was for shooting an unarmed black man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=746) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=748)