# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 748
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14943 "2019-07-23T18:21:58Z")
[Don’t do stupid things, folks](https://apnews.com/efd2aa8810df470cbee2cde861946060): > [@](#): > > Police on Tuesday were looking into two recent instances captured on video clips widely circulated on social media that show four on-duty officers getting soaked during a recent heat wave as onlookers jeer. > > In the first video to surface, one of two officers making an arrest in Harlem appears to get hit in the head with a red plastic bucket as both are splashed with water. The other shows two officers getting repeatedly doused as they walk down a Brooklyn street looking sheepish as a woman’s voice in the background is heard saying, “Oh, they violated them.” > > It appears in both cases that the officers never took action against pranksters who showed little sign they feared reprisal. That has fueled accusations against Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio and other liberal politicians that their police reform policies have fostered a climate of disrespect for officers on the beat. Let them do their jobs. If they look hot, offer them water or lemonade or something. Don’t soak ANYONE without getting consent; it’s jerkish. Don’t be a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14944 "2019-07-23T19:25:54Z")
[video of police](https://youtu.be/5LAJy6W0LjM) in nyc being doused with water and pelted with small objects while making an arrest. On the one hand, one might laud them for showing due restraint. Except, of course, that it was _due_ restraint, not especially laudatory (beyond “_you did your job properly, good_”). And it really changes nothing anywhere else. All the other police who have recklessly killed minorities, or failed to repudiate blue-brothers/sisters who have, are not now suddenly vindicated/exhonerated because a few officers got wet/bruised. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14945 "2019-07-23T21:59:25Z")
[ICE releases US citizen, 18, wrongfully detained near border](https://apnews.com/82d8d010d0214d3981c2700fa2db3b87) > [@](#): > > A U.S.-born 18-year-old was released from immigration custody Tuesday after wrongfully being detained for more than three weeks. > > Francisco Erwin Galicia left a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Pearsall, Texas, on Tuesday. His lawyer, Claudia Galan, confirmed he had been released, less than a day after The Dallas Morning News’ reporting about his case drew national attention. > > ICE did not immediately comment. Nor did U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which oversees the Border Patrol, the agency that first detained Galicia. > > Galicia lives in the border city of Edinburg, Texas, and was traveling north with a group of friends when they were stopped at a Border Patrol inland checkpoint. According to Galan and the Morning News, agents apprehended Galicia on suspicion that he was in the U.S. illegally even though he had a Texas state ID. 3 fucking weeks. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14946 "2019-07-23T23:36:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [ICE releases US citizen, 18, wrongfully detained near border](https://apnews.com/82d8d010d0214d3981c2700fa2db3b87)3 fucking weeks. There’s way too much gray area when it comes to border’s ability to detain. They can essentially detain a person indefinitely until they have evidence to their satisfaction that you are who you say you are and that you’re here legally. Customs and Border Patrol officials are probably the last officers anyone would want to be a wise ass to - and for the record not saying that’s what happened here. Seems like a gross miscarriage of justice ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14947 "2019-07-24T16:20:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Dear Mr. **Dog** - > > Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, that people are afraid because they are hysterical nutbags flagellating themselves with cherry-picked statistics and self-deception is something we already knew. > > Regards, > [del]The TOA[/del] Shodan Back from a road trip. Still no reply, presumably as a (sneer) member of the public, I am beneath notice. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14948 "2019-07-25T04:26:39Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [ICE releases US citizen, 18, wrongfully detained near border](https://apnews.com/82d8d010d0214d3981c2700fa2db3b87) > > 3 fucking weeks. Unlike most of the people that CBP detains and releases, this one lives in the US and is readily available for interviews: [US citizen accuses CBP of ‘inhumane’ treatment while in custody](https://thehill.com/latino/454648-us-citizen-accuses-cbp-of-inhumane-treatment-while-in-custody) > [@](#): > > Francisco Erwin Galicia, an 18-year-old American citizen, on Wednesday described “inhumane” conditions he said he experienced while being held in immigration agency detention for 23 days. > > “It was inhumane how they treated us," Galicia told the Dallas Morning News in an interview. “It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there.” > > Galicia said he lost 26 pounds because Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents did not give him enough food. > > The Dallas-born teen described being crammed into an overcrowded holding area with 60 other men, where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets. > > Some of the men were very sick but were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because officers told them their stay would start over if they did, Galicia said. > > CBP and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE), who also held Galicia, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on his description of the conditions. They fucking well better respond sooner rather than later. The regular citizens of both this country and our southern neighbor need to see some accountability in our public servants; fucking _responding_ shouldn’t be a high bar to clear. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14949 "2019-07-26T14:26:51Z")
[Former LAPD officer gets probation in child pornography case](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-lapd-officer-gets-probation-in-child-pornography-case/ar-AAERNJX) > [@](#): > > A former Los Angeles police officer was sentenced to five years of probation on Thursday after pleading no contest to possessing child pornography. Why would he get probation??? 20 years in the LAPD wasn’t enough to teach him that kiddie porn was wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14950 "2019-07-26T14:45:48Z")
[To win a murder conviction, police and prosecutors made up evidence and secretly paid a witness, St. Louis DA finds](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/to-win-a-murder-conviction-police-and-prosecutors-made-up-evidence-and-secretly-paid-a-witness-st-louis-da-finds/ar-AAETL4a) > [@](#): > > And authorities did all of this, investigators found, in the face of “overwhelming” evidence that Johnson was an innocent man. He has insisted on his innocence the entire time he has been behind bars. > [@](#): > > The investigation into Johnson’s case found that a single homicide detective, Joseph Nickerson, authored four false police reports describing possible motives for Johnson to kill Boyd, such as that Johnson had a drug beef with Boyd. Years later, all four witnesses would review the reports and swear under oath that they never said what Nickerson attributed to them. The only eyewitness, Greg Elking, failed to identify Johnson several times before pointing to him at trial. He would be paid more than $4,000 for his cooperation — payments not discovered until the CIU’s investigation in 2019. > [@](#): > > The men actually responsible for killing Boyd in a botched robbery would reveal themselves much sooner. They confessed as early as 1996 and 2002, saying in sworn affidavits that Johnson was not involved. Johnson continued to languish in prison anyway. That’s right. The guys that actually did it confessed, not once but twice. Cops and Prosecutors are just as likely to be _evil_ sumbitches and criminals as the general public. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14951 "2019-07-26T21:01:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [video of police](https://youtu.be/5LAJy6W0LjM) in nyc being doused with water and pelted with small objects while making an arrest. > > On the one hand, one might laud them for showing due restraint. Except, of course, that it was _due_ restraint, not especially laudatory (beyond “_you did your job properly, good_”). > > And it really changes nothing anywhere else. All the other police who have recklessly killed minorities, or failed to repudiate blue-brothers/sisters who have, are not now suddenly vindicated/exhonerated because a few officers got wet/bruised. Sorry, that video is sickening in isolation. Don’t care about whataboutism of other cops in other places did other things … walking up and throwing buckets of water on anyone without consent, ever, is incorrect. No way that’s legal, either. I’m sure it’s a misdemeanor, but still illegal. Unsure of why the cops didn’t react – they probably assumed the perps were aiming to make a viral cop-assaulted-me! video. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14952 "2019-07-27T02:48:54Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Sorry, that video is sickening in isolation. Don’t care about whataboutism of other cops in other places did other things … walking up and throwing buckets of water on anyone without consent, ever, is incorrect. > > No way that’s legal, either. I’m sure it’s a misdemeanor, but still illegal. Unsure of why the cops didn’t react – they probably assumed the perps were aiming to make a viral cop-assaulted-me! video. Lol all the horrible, life destroying shit cops do shown in this thread, but you pick the water throwing as the thing that goes too far. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14953 "2019-07-27T20:14:35Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Sorry, that video is sickening in isolation. Don’t care about whataboutism of other cops in other places did other things … walking up and throwing buckets of water on anyone without consent, ever, is incorrect. > > No way that’s legal, either. I’m sure it’s a misdemeanor, but still illegal. Unsure of why the cops didn’t react – they probably assumed the perps were aiming to make a viral cop-assaulted-me! video. Blue Linens Matter! ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14954 "2019-07-30T18:59:40Z")
So the Iowa small town cop who was caught on video beating on a motorcyclist resigned. The county sheriff is back to accepting prisoners from that town. And “Prosecutors are dismissing several criminal charges and traffic tickets against people arrested by an Iowa police officer who is no longer considered credible.” > **[Prosecutors dismiss cases tied to Iowa officer who resigned](https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Prosecutors-dismiss-cases-tied-to-Iowa-officer-who-resigned-513396981.html)** > > Prosecutors are dismissing several criminal charges and traffic tickets against people arrested by an Iowa police officer who is no longer considered credible. So a little bit of justice. Maybe more if the cop and town gets sued. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14955 "2019-07-30T23:42:21Z")
[Graphic body-camera video shows deputy shoot man inside his own home](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/graphic-body-camera-video-shows-deputy-shoot-man-inside-his-own-home/ar-AAF4GTH) > [@](#): > > Footage from the deputy’s body camera conflicts with the Greenville County Sheriff’s Office’s original contention that the man, identified by his lawyer as Dick Trench, 62, was shot after he opened his door and pointed a gun at the deputy, the man’s lawyer said Tuesday. The lawyer said Trench was shot four times. Cop said that that the victim opened the door and pointed a gun at him. I cannot watch the video. Does the deputy identify himself as police before firing? > [@](#): > > Lt. Ryan Flood, public information officer for the sheriff’s department, said the office is conducting an internal investigation “to determine whether the deputy’s actions were consistent with the strict guidelines and standards set forth in the sheriff’s office policy.” > [@](#): > > Trench’s attorney, Beattie Ashmore, told NBC News on Tuesday that after the shooting, the sheriff’s office had a press conference and a Facebook post was up “for weeks” which said “Dick opened the door and aimed at the deputy.” I wonder if publishing lies are consistent with the strict guidelines and standards? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14956 "2019-07-31T11:45:11Z")
Dick Trench sounds like a malady soldiers contracted in Vietnam due to the wet environs. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14957 "2019-07-31T12:27:00Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Dick Trench sounds like a malady soldiers contracted in Vietnam due to the wet environs. They updated the story to change his name to “Tench” Also, the guy was just protecting his house. Isn’t that what people have guns for? Where are the gun people aghast that a man protecting his home with a gun was shot for his trouble? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14958 "2019-07-31T12:53:12Z")
The most surprising thing is that Mr. Tench is white. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14959 "2019-07-31T14:14:45Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I cannot watch the video. Does the deputy identify himself as police before firing? The video at the website is not the unedited body cam footage, it is from a newscast and the body cam footage has been edited for the broadcast. But it does feature the cop blaming the victim with “you pointed a gun at me” and the victim defending hiimelf by saying “it’s 12:30 at night, I was asleep, I don’t know who you are, I was protecting myself in my home.” This cop fucked up. He should not have a weapon and should not be a cop, IMO. He was sent to check on a health monitor going off, and his primary thought is “_I_ might be in danger”? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14960 "2019-07-31T17:53:59Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The video at the website is not the unedited body cam footage, it is from a newscast and the body cam footage has been edited for the broadcast. > > But it does feature the cop blaming the victim with “you pointed a gun at me” and the victim defending hiimelf by saying “it’s 12:30 at night, I was asleep, I don’t know who you are, I was protecting myself in my home.” > > This cop fucked up. He should not have a weapon and should not be a cop, IMO. He was sent to check on a health monitor going off, and his primary thought is “_I_ might be in danger”? :rolleyes: Shouldn’t this story also go in the Positive Gun News thread? Wait, maybe it should go in the Stupid Gun News thread? Oh, I’m so confused! 😕 Was there a good guy with a gun in this story? Well, I know there was a cop and he always gets that label? Sooo confused! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14961 "2019-07-31T17:55:55Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Was there a good guy with a gun in this story? Yes. He’s the one that got shot. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/14962 "2019-07-31T19:22:35Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Yes. He’s the one that got shot. So, Positive Gun News thread? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=747) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=749)