# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 751
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15003 "2019-08-02T14:57:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Alton Brown has not been shot; Alton Sterling was not so lucky. :smack: Thanks for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15004 "2019-08-02T15:02:40Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Check out this story from USA TODAY: Texas cop kills woman while shooting at dog > > Police in Texas say a patrol officer accidentally shot and killed a woman when he fired repeatedly at a dog that was charging at him. > > [Texas police officer killed woman in Arlington while shooting at dog](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/02/texas-police-officer-killed-woman-arlington-while-shooting-dog/1898825001/) > **[Body-cam footage shows Arlington officer fatally shooting woman as he fires...](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/08/03/body-cam-footage-shows-arlington-officer-fatally-shooting-woman-as-he-fires-at-dog/)** > > An Arlington officer took just seconds to fire three shots — one of which fatally struck a woman — after a dog started running toward him Thursday afternoon,... Dallas News story on the same thing (doesn’t care about Adblocker). ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15005 "2019-08-02T16:20:09Z")
I saw that article. Headline should read “woman shot for laying on grass”. I understand the cop shooting at the dog aggressively running at him. He has mace, he has a taser and so presumably other options, but in a split second he chooses the gun and I can understand that. I cannot ever understand not checking his backstop. If you cannot comprehend that rounds continue to travel, you have no business near a gun. If you ever shoot anywhere near a human being, who is not a threat to you or others, you shouldn’t be near a gun. And this guy shouldn’t be a cop. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15006 "2019-08-02T16:27:43Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > I saw that article. Headline should read “woman shot for laying on grass”. I understand the cop shooting at the dog aggressively running at him. He has mace, he has a taser and so presumably other options, but in a split second he chooses the gun and I can understand that. I cannot ever understand not checking his backstop. If you cannot comprehend that rounds continue to travel, you have no business near a gun. If you ever shoot anywhere near a human being, who is not a threat to you or others, you shouldn’t be near a gun. And this guy shouldn’t be a cop. Nonsense. This man’s pants were in danger of being torn! That justifies any level of force, even nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15007 "2019-08-02T16:46:07Z")
[NYPD judge recommends firing officer in Eric Garner death](https://apnews.com/87a22529ee6845c68989eca5f7dc560e?utm_source=PushNotification): > [@](#): > > The judge’s findings in the disciplinary case of Officer Daniel Pantaleo were provided to his lawyer and the city agency that acted as a prosecutor at his department trial last spring. > > Pantaleo’s lawyer will have about two weeks to submit responses before Police Commissioner James O’Neill makes a final decision on punishment. > > “Today’s decision confirms what the Civilian Complaint Review Board always has maintained: Officer Daniel Pantaleo committed misconduct on July 17, 2014, and his actions caused the death of Eric Garner,” said Fred Davie, chairman of the review board that served as the prosecutor. Let’s see what happens on or about 15 August, eh. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15008 "2019-08-02T20:44:56Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > [https://700wlw.iheart.com/content/2019-08-01-body-camfootage-shows-dallas-cops-mocking-man-as-he-dies/#.XUORaBq8FpU](https://700wlw.iheart.com/content/2019-08-01-body-camfootage-shows-dallas-cops-mocking-man-as-he-dies/#.XUORaBq8FpU) > > Video of cops mocking a guy who is mentally ill while he is restrained and dying. [Nothing to see here; that was just police “strategy”.](https://apnews.com/d74cd684e7c84217a4246e76f2aedfda) > [@](#): > > Two Dallas police officers involved in the arrest of a 911 caller who died in custody told commanders they mocked the handcuffed man as part of a “strategy” to get him to respond. > > Body camera video shows officers pinning 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground on Aug. 10, 2016. They crack jokes as he screams, then goes limp and silent. > > At a recorded disciplinary hearing, the officers acknowledged mocking Timpa and said it was the wrong approach. They do not identify themselves. > > A lawyer for Timpa’s family provided the audio to The Associated Press after obtaining it as part of a federal lawsuit against the officers and city of Dallas. > > Three officers were indicted in Timpa’s death, but prosecutors dismissed the charges and they have returned to active duty. :dubious::rolleyes::mad: ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15009 "2019-08-06T18:10:34Z")
Real cute: [Texas Police lead black man down street on end of rope](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-black-man-rope-texas-street-horseback-slavery-galveston-a9043616.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR24sl0EMBM5GcmRJ--Or6x_XP3wL3MFbkslzvEQstmIPUQygFcNLXJ3NM4#Echobox=1565099004) > [@](#): > > The uproar resulted in Galveston Police Department issuing a statement to say it had immediately suspended use of the technique. They’re brilliant, they are. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15010 "2019-08-06T18:30:41Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > Real cute: > [Texas Police lead black man down street on end of rope](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-black-man-rope-texas-street-horseback-slavery-galveston-a9043616.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR24sl0EMBM5GcmRJ--Or6x_XP3wL3MFbkslzvEQstmIPUQygFcNLXJ3NM4#Echobox=1565099004) > > They’re brilliant, they are. I just came in to post that. Guy was being arrested on a misdemeanor charge. I’m going to assume the Galveston PD has cars. Could they not have waited a bit for a car to get there? And this was a technique they trained in. I wonder what situations they might “legitimately” use this in. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15011 "2019-08-06T18:41:47Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > Real cute: > [Texas Police lead black man down street on end of rope](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-black-man-rope-texas-street-horseback-slavery-galveston-a9043616.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR24sl0EMBM5GcmRJ--Or6x_XP3wL3MFbkslzvEQstmIPUQygFcNLXJ3NM4#Echobox=1565099004) > > They’re brilliant, they are. Just a few bad [del]apples[/del] orchards. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15012 "2019-08-06T18:49:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Kenneth French’s parents, Russell and Paola, are both awake and aware their son was killed. That’s about all the new information I found tho. > There better be video that shows him being beaten while he was unconscious or something similar because this does not make any sense. There is video, [but we aren’t gonna see it or know what it shows for a year.](https://www.dailybreeze.com/2019/08/06/judges-order-temporarily-prevents-public-from-seeing-surveillance-video-of-costco-shooting-in-corona/) > [@](#): > > A Riverside County judge has temporarily sealed from public view the surveillance video that shows an off-duty Los Angeles police officer, who claimed he was under attack, fatally shooting an unarmed, mentally disabled man and seriously wounding his parents at a Costco in Corona in June. > > The order, signed July 22, was sought by the Riverside County District Attorney’s office, which is conducting the criminal investigation of the shooting. The judge’s one-year order, which limits viewing of the video to law enforcement officials, begins with the day of the shooting, June 14. > > Release of the video “would substantially interfere” with that investigation, Riverside County Superior Court Judge Eric Keen wrote. He also cites the “graphic nature” of the video and “significant public attention to the shooting.” I’m split on this one. On one hand, I can agree with not wanting to taint the jury pool. On the other hand, it smells of cover-up. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15013 "2019-08-06T19:14:22Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > There is video, [but we aren’t gonna see it or know what it shows for a year.](https://www.dailybreeze.com/2019/08/06/judges-order-temporarily-prevents-public-from-seeing-surveillance-video-of-costco-shooting-in-corona/) > I’m split on this one. On one hand, I can agree with not wanting to taint the jury pool. On the other hand, it smells of cover-up. I"m thinking it’s along the lines of “If we let the public see that the off-duty police shot these people for no good reason, it would make it really hard for him to get off scot-free. Best wait until the trial is over and I’m retired.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15014 "2019-08-06T19:20:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Keen said release of the video before the investigation is done “reasonably could result in harm to the suspect, who is out of custody Hmmm. In other words, the video clearly shows that the suspect is guilty as hell, and we’re afraid that if we show the public, they will see this. And the public might get upset that police officers, even when off duty, are allowed to shoot and kill whoever they please. But then again, it will serve to prevent an appeal on grounds that the jury was biased. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15015 "2019-08-06T19:20:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I"m thinking it’s along the lines of “If we let the public see that the off-duty police shot these people for no good reason, it would make it really hard for him to get off scot-free. Best wait until the trial is over and I’m retired.” +1 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15016 "2019-08-07T00:13:42Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > Real cute: > [Texas Police lead black man down street on end of rope](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-black-man-rope-texas-street-horseback-slavery-galveston-a9043616.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR24sl0EMBM5GcmRJ--Or6x_XP3wL3MFbkslzvEQstmIPUQygFcNLXJ3NM4#Echobox=1565099004) > > They’re brilliant, they are. I didn’t see your post until after I posted [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=880014). Oh, and of course our latest racist/nazi/piece of shit posted a nonsensical comment in that thread already. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15017 "2019-08-07T21:35:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I didn’t see your post until after I posted [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=880014). Oh, and of course our latest racist/nazi/piece of shit posted a nonsensical comment in that thread already. Where do all these fuckers come from??? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15018 "2019-08-07T21:48:00Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > I saw that article. Headline should read “woman shot for laying on grass”. I understand the cop shooting at the dog aggressively running at him. He has mace, he has a taser and so presumably other options, but in a split second he chooses the gun and I can understand that. I cannot ever understand not checking his backstop. If you cannot comprehend that rounds continue to travel, you have no business near a gun. If you ever shoot anywhere near a human being, who is not a threat to you or others, you shouldn’t be near a gun. And this guy shouldn’t be a cop. Four basic rules of gun safety you need to live by before ever touching a gun: 1. Always assume a gun is loaded, even if you know it’s not, treat it as if it is. 2. Never aim your gun at anything you aren’t willing to kill or destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are going to pull it. 4. Always know what is behind or near your target. Law enforcement professionals out of all people should have that drilled into them. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15019 "2019-08-07T21:50:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Four basic rules of gun safety you need to live by before ever touching a gun: > > 1. Always assume a gun is loaded, even if you know it’s not, treat it as if it is. > > 2. Never aim your gun at anything you aren’t willing to kill or destroy. > > 3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are going to pull it. > > 4. Always know what is behind or near your target. > > Law enforcement professionals out of all people should have that drilled into them. It’s ironic, that in the military where you may be possibly EXPECTED to kill someone (the enemy), those rules are damn near beaten into everyone on a constant basis. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15020 "2019-08-08T21:35:02Z")
Now, in Illinois, the police - dressed in fatigues like they’re GI Joe - busted into a place with flash bang grenades, to excuete a search warrant… looking for the boyfriend of the woman who lives there. In the process they shot her 12 year old son, who was in bed with his hands up. WTF. > **[South Suburban Family Left In Fear After Police Raid Goes Wrong, Boy Is Shot...](https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/markham-police-shooting-gone-wrong/)** > > A police raid went horribly wrong in south suburban Markham back in May – with a 12-year-old boy ending up getting shot in the knee. _“The CBS 2 Investigators have uncovered several bad Chicago police raids that have traumatized children, and now Worship is describing how her family was hurt. “I have nightmares and I stay up all night, because I think they’ll come back,” she said. Twelve-year-old Amir Worship had surgery and faces a long rehabilitation. His mom said is now terrified of police. She moved him to Texas. Police in Country Club Hills said they are awaiting an investigation by the Illinois State Police and have no comment. The Richton Park police chief has not returned CBS 2’s calls. As for the charges against Crystal Worship’s boyfriend, they were dropped.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15021 "2019-08-08T22:13:00Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > No > As for the charges against Crystal Worship’s boyfriend, they were dropped."\* That was big of them. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15022 "2019-08-08T22:53:33Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Now, in Illinois, the police - dressed in fatigues like they’re GI Joe - busted into a place with flash bang grenades, to excuete a search warrant… looking for the boyfriend of the woman who lives there. In the process they shot her 12 year old son, who was in bed with his hands up. WTF. Seems to have been an accident, but goddamn–Special Weapons And Tactics ought to include flashlight training. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=750) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=752)