# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 752
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15023 "2019-08-09T13:14:29Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Seems to have been an accident, but goddamn–Special Weapons And Tactics ought to include flashlight training. There are, and have been, far too many “accidents”. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15024 "2019-08-09T19:16:02Z")
A guy in line at a convenience store tries to chat with a cop about how to join the department. The cop beats his ass and tries to arrest him. Allegedly, I should say. There is video, but it has not been made public. > **[St. Louis police officer under investigation after allegedly assaulting man...](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-officer-under-investigation-after-man-assaulted-at/article_e72aee2e-654a-5bb7-b014-9c23d70f5704.html)** > > Store surveillance video shows the officer shove and hit the man, Brian Boyle, repeatedly as Boyle tries to protect himself from repeated blows. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15025 "2019-08-09T21:14:59Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > A guy in line at a convenience store tries to chat with a cop about how to join the department. The cop beats his ass and tries to arrest him. > > Allegedly, I should say. There is video, but it has not been made public. > > [St. Louis police officer under investigation after allegedly assaulting man at gas station](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-officer-under-investigation-after-man-assaulted-at/article_e72aee2e-654a-5bb7-b014-9c23d70f5704.html) This sounds like another roided up douchebag with s badge and a gun. Why have your belt on while wearing t-shirt and shorts. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15026 "2019-08-10T00:28:44Z")
So a black guy wanted to buy a Michigan cop’s house…until he found out said cop belonged to the KKK. > **[A black man was about to buy a cop’s house. Then, he found a KKK application...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/09/black-man-michigan-cop-kkk-house-suspension/)** > > Walking through a home of a police officer with KKK memorabilia rattled Rob Mathis, who was struggling to grapple with what he had seen up close and personal at the “Klan house.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15027 "2019-08-10T14:57:54Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > There is video, [but we aren’t gonna see it or know what it shows for a year.](https://www.dailybreeze.com/2019/08/06/judges-order-temporarily-prevents-public-from-seeing-surveillance-video-of-costco-shooting-in-corona/) > I’m split on this one. On one hand, I can agree with not wanting to taint the jury pool. On the other hand, it smells of cover-up. Sweep it under the rug, and in time, just act like it never happened. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15028 "2019-08-11T10:29:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So a black guy wanted to buy a Michigan cop’s house…until he found out said cop belonged to the KKK. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/09/black-man-michigan-cop-kkk-house-suspension/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/09/black-man-michigan-cop-kkk-house-suspension/) Nitpick: There’s no evidence that the cop belongs to the KKK. What the man found in the house was a framed KKK application form from the 1920s. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15029 "2019-08-11T13:47:43Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Nitpick: There’s no evidence that the cop belongs to the KKK. What the man found in the house was a framed KKK application form from the 1920s. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15030 "2019-08-11T15:39:37Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > _“… His mom said is now terrified of police. She moved him to Texas.…”_ Wait, what? Texas? _Texas_? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15031 "2019-08-11T20:58:45Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Nitpick: There’s no evidence that the cop belongs to the KKK. What the man found in the house was a framed KKK application form from the 1920s. But he has killed a black person. [The newspaper reported that Anderson was cleared of fatally shooting a black man, Julius Johnson, 23, following a traffic stop in 2009. Johnson had scuffled with Anderson, who was beaten in the head. Anderson said he feared for his life, according to the findings of an investigation report created by then-Muskegon County Prosecutor Tony Tague.](https://time.com/5649038/police-officer-leave-racist-items-house-hunter/) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15032 "2019-08-11T21:28:36Z")
Is a 1920s style KKK application the sort of artifact that should be saved? I honestly don’t know. While it might belong in a museum, it is not the sort of thing most people would display in their home. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15033 "2019-08-12T15:40:22Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Is a 1920s style KKK application the sort of artifact that should be saved? I honestly don’t know. > > While it might belong in a museum, it is not the sort of thing most people would display in their home. I have a bunch of medical memorabilia; old pharmacy advertisements for cocaine, scripts for cannabis containing nostrums, prohibition alcohol prescriptions, old condoms, etc. They are interesting collectibles. Then there are people who collect KKK krap, old time advertisements featuring grinning black kids, etc. Those collectibles are owned by people with an agenda. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15034 "2019-08-12T15:51:33Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Then there are people who collect KKK krap, old time advertisements featuring grinning black kids, etc. Those collectibles are owned by people with an agenda. If that’s _all_ they collect, then yeah, probably. I don’t personally have any Klan stuff, but that’s only because I haven’t run across any. I do have some Nazi relics, though. They sit near my clown college memorabilia and my one Cabbage Patch Kid. I like to hold the Nazi button in my hand and imagine the guy who first received it. Imagine the world he lived in. It’s like having a looking glass into an alien civilization. I’d do the same with a KKK piece. I can’t conceive of that mindset, even though I’ve known people much like them. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15035 "2019-08-12T16:26:18Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Then there are people who collect KKK krap, old time advertisements featuring grinning black kids, etc. Those collectibles are owned by people with an agenda. It’s not so much the collecting but the displaying. As a historian, I believe that stuff like this needs to be preserved, not just for academic purposes, but as a tangible reminder of how things used to be, and of how things have changed. The [Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia](https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/) is a good example of how to display and contextualize a collection like of this sort of stuff. But there’s a difference between collecting stuff like this and putting it in a frame in your bedroom. That smacks of a particular set of priorities, to me anyway. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15036 "2019-08-14T13:52:22Z")
[Jesus.](https://reason.com/2019/08/13/court-sides-with-prison-guards-who-forced-female-inmates-to-expose-genitals-during-training-exercise/#comments) > [@](#): > > In 2011, 200 women serving sentences at the Lincoln Correctional Center in Lincoln, Illinois, woke one morning to a tactical team in riot gear, who rounded them up, handcuffed them, and herded them to the gymnasium. Eventually, the women were taken in groups of four to 10 to the adjoining beauty shop and bathroom, where they were told to take everything off—for what, they weren’t sure. That included menstrual products, so some women began to bleed onto the floor. > > One by one, prisoners were forced to turn around, bend over, and spread their anal and vaginal cavities for inspection. The reason? A non-required training exercise for cadets. > > \ > > A federal court decided in July that the incident did not violate the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit ruled 2-1 that, because the women did the touching themselves, their right to privacy was not violated. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15037 "2019-08-15T06:01:13Z")
Cops in Royal Oak Michigan stop and question a black man for looking at a white woman. > **[Black man stopped by police after white woman allegedly said he was staring...](https://www.wxyz.com/news/black-man-stopped-by-police-after-white-woman-allegedly-said-he-was-staring-suspiciously-at-her)** > > A Royal Oak police internal investigation is underway after a controversial incident Tuesday evening that was recorded live on Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15038 "2019-08-15T13:03:46Z")
Last night a guard at an ICE prison in Rhode Island drove his truck into a group of protesters. Fortunately no one was seriously injured. > ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15039 "2019-08-15T13:57:25Z")
^ Unfortunately the jerk wasn’t arrested. Nor were his pepper-spraying friends. I wonder why? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15040 "2019-08-15T14:02:23Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > [Jesus.](https://reason.com/2019/08/13/court-sides-with-prison-guards-who-forced-female-inmates-to-expose-genitals-during-training-exercise/#comments) That’s the kind of shit that needs a Louis Armstrong “What A Wonderful World” soundtrack. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15041 "2019-08-16T17:43:14Z")
> [@](#): > > A Colorado family is calling for an independent investigation into the death of their son, De’Von Bailey, 19, who was fatally shot in the back while running from police. Graphic body camera footage shows Colorado Springs Police Department Sergeant Alan Van’t Land and Officer Blake Evenson firing their guns as Bailey flees. The officers said they fired thinking Bailey was reaching for a gun. > **[De'Von Bailey: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know](https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/devon-bailey/)** > > De'Von Bailey, 19, was shot in the back and killed by Colorado Springs Police after running from police. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15042 "2019-08-16T17:49:46Z")
Here is the full video of the Bailey shooting: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Jfz4IGMlh0g/maxresdefault.jpg "Full video from Colorado Springs Police Department shows shooting of De'Von Bailey") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfz4IGMlh0g) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=751) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=753)