# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 754
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15063 "2019-08-24T17:39:19Z")
[Former Houston officer accused of lying to get warrant faces murder charges after botched raid](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/houston-officers-charged-no-knock-raid/index.html) > [@](#): > > Goines obtained a warrant for a “no knock” raid from a municipal judge under false pretenses, which included claiming a criminal informant purchased heroin from a man at the address the day before and that the man selling drugs was known to have a gun, among other things > … > Ogg said that because two people died while Goines was allegedly committing a felony – tampering with a government record by obtaining one under false pretenses – he was charged with two counts of felony murder in the deaths. She indicated a grand jury could consider capital charges. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15064 "2019-08-24T17:58:08Z")
> [@](#): > > She indicated a grand jury could consider capital charges. Maybe the death penalty can actually serve as a deterrent. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15065 "2019-08-24T18:28:21Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Maybe the death penalty can actually serve as a deterrent. Yeah, as long as "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 mentality persists, our cops will continue to have “controversial encounters”. Have that as “Judged by 12, th **e** n carried by 6”, and maybe some things will change. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15066 "2019-08-24T18:33:45Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Maybe the death penalty can actually serve as a deterrent. Call me cynical, but I don’t see a panel of Texas jurors convicting a cop under the Felony Murder Rule. On the falsifying documents and such, maybe. Still, potentially being on trial for your life might open a few eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15067 "2019-08-24T19:07:58Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > [Former Houston officer accused of lying to get warrant faces murder charges after botched raid](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/houston-officers-charged-no-knock-raid/index.html) Wow, this is surprising, and good to see. No-knock raids should be very infrequent, a last resort exercise after all of the I’d are dotted and t’s are crossed. Lying to get a warrant deserves a stiff penalty, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15068 "2019-08-27T15:26:01Z")
[Kenneth French’s parents are alive and out of the hospital and they’d like to see their son’s killer stand trial](https://apnews.com/dbc35aca11c84d678a892530e4e5030a). > [@](#): > > The parents of a mentally ill man who was fatally shot by an off-duty police officer in a California Costco store called for him to be criminally charged as they recover from their own gunshot wounds. > [@](#): > > Paola French told reporters she and her husband shouted at Sanchez not to shoot and that their son was not a threat. > > “I was pleading for my son and our lives, but I was still shot in the back,” she said, fighting back tears. “What threat did I pose to him?” > > Russell French, who lost a kidney after the shooting and remained in a hospital until last week, said he “begged” the officer not to fire. > > “I told him we had no guns and my son was sick,” French said. > > The family on Monday filed a claim — a precursor to a lawsuit — against Sanchez and the Los Angeles Police Department. I continue to think that Officer Sanchez’s story makes little sense yet I have little hope that he will be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15069 "2019-08-27T15:49:07Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Kenneth French’s parents are alive and out of the hospital and they’d like to see their son’s killer stand trial](https://apnews.com/dbc35aca11c84d678a892530e4e5030a).I continue to think that Officer Sanchez’s story makes little sense yet I have little hope that he will be prosecuted. > [@](#): > > “My client was assaulted. He was acting in self-defense,” said Ira Salzman, a lawyer for Sanchez. “It’s a horrible tragedy for both families.” He was acting self defense and shot two other people who were yelling ‘don’t shoot’. It’s a horrible tragedy for ONE family. The _other_ family still has all it’s members and they got all their kidneys. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15070 "2019-08-27T18:25:22Z")
[A black homeowner was handcuffed and detained in his boxers after his burglar alarm went off](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-black-homeowner-was-handcuffed-and-detained-in-his-boxers-after-his-burglar-alarm-went-off/ar-AAGp5wT?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > On Monday, Raleigh police explained the officers’ actions, saying there were several clues that led police to believe a real burglary might have happened. I guess asking the man to produce identification was out of the question. This time. > [@](#): > > Oyeneyin said he’s had about four false alarms before. But in the past, police usually came to his house and asked for identification. The officer typically took note of the incident and left, Oyeneyin said. > > Not this time. Hey, at least they didn’t shoot him. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15071 "2019-08-27T23:10:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Kenneth French’s parents are alive and out of the hospital and they’d like to see their son’s killer stand trial](https://apnews.com/dbc35aca11c84d678a892530e4e5030a).I continue to think that Officer Sanchez’s story makes little sense yet I have little hope that he will be prosecuted. Dirty Sanchez will keep his job and probably get a promotion after his administrative leave is over. I hope the French family get some form of a pay day for their loss and the various health issues they will have for life. It is crazy that it will be a year long investigation before this officer gets cleared of all wrong doing. (Extreme sarcasm) if this happened in reverse Kenneth French would be rotting in a cell with no bail. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15072 "2019-08-28T04:47:14Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > It’s a horrible tragedy for ONE family. Yes, but the other family has to watch as the heroic constable family-member is pilloried in the press, when all he did was use his gun to stop a stranger from pestering him. Is that not what a sidearm is for? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15073 "2019-08-28T13:36:38Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Maybe the death penalty can actually serve as a deterrent. It’s Texas. They’ll probably give him a medal instead. I lived in Texas for a few years, and their cops are utter shit. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15074 "2019-08-28T13:48:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Yes, but the other family has to watch as the heroic constable family-member is pilloried in the press, when all he did was use his gun to stop a stranger from pestering him. Is that not what a sidearm is for? Textbook definition of “good guy with a gun.” I’m surprised this story hasn’t yet popped up over in the positive gun news thread. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15075 "2019-08-29T20:07:44Z")
[2 ex-NYPD officers accused of raping teen in police van avoid jail after pleading guilty in plea deal](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-ex-nypd-officers-accused-of-raping-teen-in-police-van-avoid-jail-after-pleading-guilty-in-plea-deal/ar-AAGw1ZZ) > [@](#): > > Two former NYPD officers who had sex in a police van with an 18-year-old woman they’d taken into custody in 2017 – she claimed it was rape, the officers claimed it was consensual > [@](#): > > Gonzalez continued, “As a result of this disturbing incident, New York passed a law to prohibit police officers from having sex with people in their custody, closing a loophole that had allowed officers to claim the sex was consensual. We could not apply the new law retroactively, and serious credibility issues in this case precluded us from proceeding on additional charges, yet we remained committed to holding these defendants accountable.” Anyone claiming to have consensual sex with a suspect _in custody_ should be taken out back and shot. Instead, they get probation and will sign on with another police force after the heat dies down. The law ain’t all it’s cracked up to be , is it? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15076 "2019-08-29T21:06:09Z")
How the fuck is that even supposed to work? - Yeah, I arrested her, handcuffed her and immediately read her rights at which point she asked me my sign. Being a Sagittarius with a Mercury Retrograde, I asked her if she came here often. One thing led to another … ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15077 "2019-08-30T08:14:15Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [2 ex-NYPD officers accused of raping teen in police van avoid jail after pleading guilty in plea deal](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-ex-nypd-officers-accused-of-raping-teen-in-police-van-avoid-jail-after-pleading-guilty-in-plea-deal/ar-AAGw1ZZ) > > Anyone claiming to have consensual sex with a suspect _in custody_ should be taken out back and shot. > > Instead, they get probation and will sign on with another police force after the heat dies down. > > The law ain’t all it’s cracked up to be , is it? For real? Jesus, what the actual FUCK is that about? ‘Consensual sex’ with two officers who have just arrested you? How was that even a loophole for the last like 100 years?? Totes screwy. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15078 "2019-08-30T11:48:11Z")
[A woman gave birth alone in a jail cell after her cries for help were ignored, lawsuit says](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/29/pregnant-woman-diana-sanchez-birth-alone-jail-cell-denver/) Denver Jail officials watched on as a woman gave birth completely by herself in a jail cell and didn’t call an ambulance until half an hour after the baby was delivered. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15079 "2019-08-30T13:50:45Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > [A woman gave birth alone in a jail cell after her cries for help were ignored, lawsuit says](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/29/pregnant-woman-diana-sanchez-birth-alone-jail-cell-denver/) > > Denver Jail officials watched on as a woman gave birth completely by herself in a jail cell and didn’t call an ambulance until half an hour after the baby was delivered. Jesus-fucking-X! That poor woman. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15080 "2019-08-30T14:22:22Z")
> [@](#): > > after an internal investigation conducted by the Denver Sheriff Department cleared its deputies of wrongdoing — a result that left Sanchez’s attorney, Mari Newman, “profoundly disappointed.” > > “That’s just emblematic of how broken the system really is,” Newman told The Washington Post. “They claim to have done a review and their conclusion is that nothing was wrong with the fact that a woman was never taken to the hospital and ended up giving birth in a dirty, cold, hard jail cell. It’s really unfathomable.” It’s official. Cops are fundamentally bad people. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15081 "2019-08-30T15:19:47Z")
I presume there are already laws on the books that don’t allow the baby to sue for wrongful imprisonment, but I’d like to see it tried. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15082 "2019-08-31T01:46:11Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Anyone claiming to have consensual sex with a suspect _in custody_ should be taken out back and shot. > > Instead, they get probation and will sign on with another police force after the heat dies down. > > The law ain’t all it’s cracked up to be , is it? Wait a moment. Didn’t they plead to a felony? That makes them ineligible (I hope) to be coppers ever again anywhere in the country, doesn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=753) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=755)