# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 756
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15103 "2019-09-07T17:49:45Z")
It wasn’t in that link but there is news that he was shot. > [@](#): > > In a statement to TIME, the FBI says the individual surrendered Thursday afternoon and confirmed he had been shot. He is receiving medical treatment at a hospital near Nashville. The FBI has not arrested him or charged him with a crime. > **[ICE Opened Fire During an Apprehension Near Nashville. FBI Has Taken Over The...](https://time.com/5669993/ice-agent-shot-truck-nashville/)** > > An ICE agent fired a gun during an attempted apprehension in the Antioch neighborhood of Nashville on Thursday morning, according to police. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15104 "2019-09-07T17:52:40Z")
My apologies to **Mr. Kitchen** and my thanks to you, **mikecurtis** , for the update. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15105 "2019-09-08T00:13:56Z")
[Former Tennessee cop faces up to 20 years in prison after admitting to 3 rapes, using stun gun](https://www.fox13news.com/amp/news/former-tennessee-cop-faces-up-to-20-years-in-prison-after-admitting-to-3-rapes-using-stun-gun)? Only 20 years for this??? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15106 "2019-09-09T15:40:23Z")
[COPA Report Concludes CPD Officer Patrick Kelly Shot Friend Michael LaPorta, Lied About It For Nearly 10 Years](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/copa-report-concludes-cpd-officer-patrick-kelly-shot-friend-michael-laporta-lied-about-it-for-nearly-10-years/ar-AAH1zEb) Too weird. Kelly says that 10 years ago, his friend, whom had been out drinking with, came back to Kelly’s home and then shot himself in the head with Kelly’s gun. Chicago cops don’t really buy it, but since the friend, LaPorta, had several brain surgeries and could not speak and could not contradict Kelly. (I guess he could not communicate at all) But now he can speak, says he was not suicidal and did NOT shoot himself. Says Kelly was acting out in a fit, had punched his dog and was brandishing his gun. He doesn’t remember being shot, but had told Kelly he was leaving. > [@](#): > > In 2014, while on duty, Kelly is accused of wrongfully shooting Hector Hernandez to death. A year earlier in 2013, he was accused of wrongfully using a Taser on Elaina Turner, who was pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15107 "2019-09-10T08:22:25Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > [Former Tennessee cop faces up to 20 years in prison after admitting to 3 rapes, using stun gun](https://www.fox13news.com/amp/news/former-tennessee-cop-faces-up-to-20-years-in-prison-after-admitting-to-3-rapes-using-stun-gun)? > > Only 20 years for this??? From the linked article: > [@](#): > > Earlier this year, two retired Chattanooga officers were accused of helping suppress allegations against Logan. > > The women say they notified police, but an official probe wasn’t launched until the county sheriff was notified. And they wonder why there is a credibility problem. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15108 "2019-09-10T14:55:47Z")
> [@](#): > > “Desmond Logan is not what the men and women of the Chattanooga Police Department represent,” Police Chief David Roddy told the Free Press. But the men and women of the Chattanooga Police Department protected him as best they could… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15109 "2019-09-13T16:10:44Z")
In the last 15ish years Chicago has paid over 750 million dollars in settlements and fees and things, and an additional over 200 million in private attorneys fees in regards to police misconduct. I’m no math wiz, but I’m pretty sure that’s close to a billion dollars, baby. > **[Chicago Spent $213M on Lawyers in Police Cases: Report](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-spent-213m-on-lawyers-in-police-cases-report/1968776/)** > > Chicago has paid private attorneys $213 million to handle police or misconduct cases over the past 15 years, in addition to the $757 million paid to resolve the cases through judgments or settlements, according to a published report. The Chicago... ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15110 "2019-09-13T16:32:40Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > In the last 15ish years Chicago has paid over 750 million dollars in settlements and fees and things, and an additional over 200 million in private attorneys fees in regards to police misconduct. I’m no math wiz, but I’m pretty sure that’s close to a billion dollars, baby. > > [Chicago Spent $213M on Lawyers in Police Cases: Report – NBC Chicago](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-spent-213M-on-lawyers-in-police-cases-report-560224581.html) Well then, I’d think the “few bad apples” would be gone now! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15111 "2019-09-17T03:34:50Z")
_ **WARNING! The video linked in this post is very intense and IMO disturbing!** _ [This asshole resigned from the Glendale (AZ) PD before he could be fired](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale-breaking/2019/09/04/glendale-officer-resigns-after-striking-unarmed-man-repeatedly-taser-joshua-carroll/2216855001/). [The body cam video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXpRqP-9rU) shows Glendale Officer Joshua Carroll confronting an unarmed mentally disabled man who was sitting in his car. The man doesn’t understand why the officer is talking to him or detaining him, becomes upset and isn’t following the officers instructions well. So naturally, Officer Carroll decides that he must be taken down and taken down hard. He’s repeatedly tased, taken down to the pavement and partially lodged under his own car and then repeatedly assaulted and incapacitated, all while the officer demands he do something he in physically unable to do, which elicits more beating and tasing. The man is left bleeding from his head while the officer continues to assault him while screaming conflicting commands at him. For the fucking life of me, I cannot understand why this man hasn’t been charged with assault, arrested and put behind bars, where he won’t be a danger to the general public. Remember this name: **Joshua Carroll**. He didn’t get fired, so he could end up working in your town. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15112 "2019-09-17T11:22:28Z")
The guy seems a real winner > [@](#): > > During the pursuit, police said Carroll advised an officer trainee to violate department policy by increasing his speed to over 100 mph and not stopping for red lights. In the same incident, Carroll fired a rifle round at a suspect, which police said put civilians and other officers at risk. Following the incident, Carroll told a police commander that the investigation would have never happened if the incident took place ten years earlier and no cameras were inside police vehicles. > > The commander criticized Carroll for not accepting responsibility and providing excuses for his conduct. In addition to the reprimand, Carroll was removed from the field training program, according to police officials. from here [Police officials detail disciplinary history of officer who resigned over use of force controversy](https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.fox10phoenix.com/news/police-officials-detail-disciplinary-history-of-officer-who-resigned-over-use-of-force-controversy.amp) These were among other violations the officer had received warnings for. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15113 "2019-09-17T16:28:27Z")
[Sheriff helped plot his own deputy’s killing over ‘racially offensive’ tape, prosecutors say](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/sheriff-helped-plot-his-own-deputys-killing-over-racially-offensive-tape-prosecutors-say/ar-AAHq9xj) Yep. Sheriff plots to kill his deputy to keep him quiet. > [@](#): > > Attorney Lorrin Freeman, who brought the charges, told the News & Observer that Wilkins is still the sheriff. > > “Technically,” the prosecutor said, “he can continue to serve if he chooses to until convicted.” Yep. Law _AND_ Order! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15114 "2019-09-18T06:17:11Z")
[Columbus, Ohio](https://www.10tv.com/article/columbus-police-respond-viral-video-showing-officers-man-struggle-during-swat-situation-2019): > [@](#): > > The video shows three people coming out of the home where officers responded. At one point, it appears an officer hits one of the people from the home on the face. Petitt yelled out to the officers. > > “You ain’t supposed to smack him like that,” Petitt is heard saying on the video. > > The officers and Petitt keep yelling back and forth. They can be heard on the video asking Petitt to go inside his home, but he says no. Petitt expressed it was his right to continue taking the video from his property. Eventually, the officers approach Petitt and there is a struggle. > > “They were trying to take Mr. Petitt into custody. Mr. Petitt began to struggle - refused to put his hands behind his back. One officer is heard telling him to drop the phone - or give me the phone - Mr. Petitt wouldn’t separate from the phone to be handcuffed,” Ohl said. > > Petitt said he was roughed up during that struggle. > > “Knocked the phone out of my hand. Slammed me against the wall. The two officers who had me slammed me to the ground,” he said. > > Petitt was arrested. He had a warrant out on other charges. Police ended up charging him with misconduct at an emergency in relation to the incident. Police took his phone as evidence. He didn’t get it back until months later. At that point, he posted the video on social media. [1:44 video here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpDMcJKaAw). ETA: I just checked up on the charge: [Ohio Revised Code 2917.13](http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2917.13). Without knowing precedents with regard to this law, it’s hard to believe he’s guilty as charged. The cops should be investigated; they cannot control their tempers or their actions, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15115 "2019-09-18T22:06:01Z")
[Undercover St. Louis Cop gets beaten by cops](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st-louis-undercover-cop-claims-officers-beat-him-during-anti-police-protests/ar-AAHu18Q) > [@](#): > > Detective Luther Hall’s lawsuit filed this week in U.S. District Court alleges that his colleagues slammed him down twice and then beat him with batons and fists days after former officer Jason Stockley was found not guilty of killing a black man, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. > > The lawsuit claims Hall was working undercover in a crowd of people who were protesting the acquittal of the white officer. The protesters damaged windows and flowerpots before – without any audible warning or justification – responding officers started using pepper spray and bean bag rounds to get them to disperse, the suit added. > [@](#): > > The alleged beatdown is said to have left Hall with several herniated discs and a jaw injury that has inhibited his ability to eat – and he has not returned to the job since. Cover up? Sure. > [@](#): > > But police – in an apparent cover-up attempt – never made any documentation of the arrest, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported, citing the lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15116 "2019-09-19T00:15:03Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Undercover St. Louis Cop gets beaten by cops](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st-louis-undercover-cop-claims-officers-beat-him-during-anti-police-protests/ar-AAHu18Q) > > Cover up? Sure. So they have messed this undercover cop up for life with his injuries. All four of these beasts need to be locked away for at least a decade not the 30 months that one of them will potentially get from the article. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15117 "2019-09-19T06:54:07Z")
So much for the thin blue line. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15118 "2019-09-19T08:58:14Z")
All cops are bastards. The so-called “good cops” still have to deal with the bad cops, and those who speak up… Well, what do you think happens to them? > **[A Sheriff Allegedly Tried To Have His Deputy Killed To Cover Up A Racist...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/sheriff-racist-tape-murder-plot-granville-north-carolina)** > > Granville County Sheriff Brindell Wilkins allegedly told a man "the only way you gonna stop him is kill him." > [@](#): > > The sheriff of a North Carolina county allegedly tried to arrange the killing of a deputy who planned to release a recording of him using “racially offensive language,” according to court records. > > Granville County Sheriff Brindell Wilkins was charged Monday with felony obstruction of justice for the alleged 2014 plot. > > After learning one of his deputies, Joshua Freeman, possessed the offensive tape, Wilkins reportedly told an unnamed individual on a phone call “the only way you gonna stop him is kill him.” Given that something like 40% of cops beat their wives, what do you reckon the odds are that any given “good cop” doesn’t have at least some psychopath in their department who they’re either tolerating or actively covering for? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15119 "2019-09-19T10:00:55Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > All cops are bastards. > > The so-called “good cops” still have to deal with the bad cops, and those who speak up… Well, what do you think happens to them? > > [A North Carolina Sheriff Tried To Have A Deputy Killed Over A Racist Tape](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/sheriff-racist-tape-murder-plot-granville-north-carolina) > > Given that something like 40% of cops beat their wives, what do you reckon the odds are that any given “good cop” doesn’t have at least some psychopath in their department who they’re either tolerating or actively covering for? I’d like to see a cite for the 40% bit there. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15120 "2019-09-19T11:53:17Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’d like to see a cite for the 40% bit there. [The Center For Women And Policing](http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp#notes) mentions the 40% figure and cites two papers in support of the number. Other studies come up with 24%. Every study finds police domestic violence well above the national average. > [@](#): > > Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, (1, 2) in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.(3) A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24% (4), indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general. A police department that has domestic violence offenders among its ranks will not effectively serve and protect victims in the community.5, 6, 7, 8 Moreover, when officers know of domestic violence committed by their colleagues and seek to protect them by covering it up, they expose the department to civil liability.7 ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15121 "2019-09-19T14:57:02Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > [The Center For Women And Policing](http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp#notes) mentions the 40% figure and cites two papers in support of the number. Other studies come up with 24%. Every study finds police domestic violence well above the national average. This is a good article that discusses the two different percents, as well as why it is hard to get accurate numbers, as well as the protection of blue lives when they beat blue wives: [Police Have a Much Bigger Domestic-Abuse Problem Than the NFL Does](https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15122 "2019-09-19T20:18:59Z")
[Prosecutor: Officer-involved shooting that killed 18 year old was justified](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/prosecutor-officer-involved-shooting-that-killed-18-year-old-was-justified/ar-AAHuYHi) > [@](#): > > “Our thoughts and prayers go out to the West family for their loss,” Hanson’s office said in a statement to WISN 12 News. Go fuck yourself. > [@](#): > > Giese was wearing a body camera at the time of the shooting but he did not activate it. Well, that’s not at all suspicious, is it? > [@](#): > > “There is no question that a body camera recording would have been helpful to an analysis of this case and given a more definitive picture of the events that occurred on June 15, 2019, however, the lack of body camera recording does not automatically indicate an inappropriate use of force,” the report stated. > > His squad car dash camera system’s _memory card was full and it did not record the chase or shooting_, the district attorney’s report concluded. Wow, TWO chances to record the truth and missed them both. Whodathunk it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=755) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=757)