# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 757
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15123 "2019-09-20T00:04:52Z")
[Philadelphia cops hassle black kids waiting at a bus stop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3rtxs-dM4) - 3 minute video. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15124 "2019-09-20T00:19:56Z")
Guilty of being black. And not respecting his Authoritah! ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15125 "2019-09-20T13:44:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Philadelphia cops hassle black kids waiting at a bus stop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3rtxs-dM4) - 3 minute video. That’s some grade A bullshit there. And that fucking dildo dressed in blue bragging about how the teen was shaking in the back of his cop car. :mad: Fuck them! ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15126 "2019-09-20T15:29:48Z")
Fucking bully. Big man making a child shake, and proud of it. I’m sure the internal investigation will come up wit the appropriate whitewash, but hope for a different outcome springs eternal. I’m impressed with the other kids calling the cops out and refusing to go on the bus without the detained kid. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15127 "2019-09-20T15:59:36Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Prosecutor: Officer-involved shooting that killed 18 year old was justified](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/prosecutor-officer-involved-shooting-that-killed-18-year-old-was-justified/ar-AAHuYHi) Interesting article. > [@](#): > > Well, that’s not at all suspicious, is it? Not particularly, no. The officer had his Tazer in one hand and his radio in the other and was chasing a suspect. > [@](#): > > Wow, TWO chances to record the truth and missed them both. Whodathunk it? Fortunately at least some of the truth came out - that the 18 year old had fled the scene after the stolen car he was in was pulled over, and that he was a felon in possession of a gun. > [@](#): > > Go fuck yourself My thoughts entirely. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15128 "2019-09-20T18:19:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Interesting article.Not particularly, no. The officer had his Tazer in one hand and his radio in the other and was chasing a suspect.Fortunately at least some of the truth came out - that the 18 year old had fled the scene after the stolen car he was in was pulled over, and that he was a felon in possession of a gun. > My thoughts entirely. > > Regards, > Shodan The cop’s version of ‘the truth’ came out, which is whatever he says it is, since he did not have his body cam on like was supposed to. > [@](#): > > The officer had his Tazer in one hand and his radio in the other and was chasing a suspect. Chasing a suspect for riding his bike without a light. I guess it would have been too much to turn the cam on as he got out of the vehicle. Turning it on must be a difficult process. And he found the time to put his hand on a gun and shoot the kid twice in the head and once in the chest. At least he gets high marks for being a good shot. But then it hard to miss when you are straddling the target. > [@](#): > > Giese said he was straddling West and could not kick West’s gun away from him. > > According to the report, Giese said he feared losing his balance and allowing West “to overpower him and get to the gun on the ground first.” > > Giese said he warned West not to reach for the gun or he would shoot him. He was straddling the kid. He was _straddling_ him. How the fuck does that even happen? We’ll never really know, since his body cam was off and cruiser cam ‘was full’. > [@](#): > > Hanson has not spoken publicly about the findings of the investigation The ‘investigation’ consists of asking the cop what happened and writing it down as gospel fact. Because the other witness is dead, and he did not have his body cam turned on. [Although Mount Pleasant Police Sgt. Eric Giese’s body camera was not activated when he shot Ty’ Rese West after a foot pursuit June 15, other officers who responded to the scene did have theirs turned on.](https://journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/watch-listen-body-cam-footage-shows-sgt-giese-tell-officers/article_305213b5-cb6a-5a2a-b4e0-29274cb352fe.html) Other officers how up with their body cams already turned on. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15129 "2019-09-20T20:32:48Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The ‘investigation’ consists of asking the cop what happened and writing it down as gospel fact. No, I don’t think that’s true, unless you have a cite. I would expect the other people in the stolen car that the suspect fled from were interviewed, and they did find his gun at the scene, and that he was a felon is a matter of public record. The officer’s Tazer had been deployed. The notion that the only alternative to video footage is to take the officer’s word for it is pretty idiotic. No doubt it’s the best you can do. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15130 "2019-09-20T22:28:34Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, I don’t think that’s true, unless you have a cite. > > I would expect the other people in the stolen car that the suspect fled from were interviewed, and they did find his gun at the scene, and that he was a felon is a matter of public record. The officer’s Tazer had been deployed. > > The notion that the only alternative to video footage is to take the officer’s word for it is pretty idiotic. No doubt it’s the best you can do. > > Regards, > Shodan Stolen car? Tazer? Am I missing something? Because neither of the stories about the shooting of Ty’rese West mention a stolen car or a Tazer. At least, not the stories that have been posted in the last few posts here. Both stories say that he was riding a bicycle. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15131 "2019-09-21T14:11:11Z")
[Trial to start for Georgia cop who shot naked, unarmed man](https://apnews.com/a3bf1a0fa41c4084b28dd1cbe0c43eca): > [@](#): > > A police officer responding to a call of a naked man behaving erratically at an Atlanta-area apartment complex arrived on the scene, exited his vehicle and shot the man almost immediately. > > Now a jury must decide if he’s guilty of murder. > [@](#): > > During a May 2018 pretrial hearing on a request by Olsen’s attorneys to dismiss the charges because Olsen had acted appropriately, the apartment complex maintenance supervisor said he saw Hill outside the leasing office in shorts and a T-shirt saying strange things, like, “The devil is coming,” and asking for help. He got Hill to go to his apartment, but Hill reemerged without clothes. Leasing office staff called 911. > > Olsen was responding to that call, told by dispatch there was a naked man who was “possibly demented.” Hill was squatting in a roadway when Olsen arrived but jumped up and ran toward the patrol car, Olsen testified. > > Olsen drew his gun as he exited his car and yelled, “Stop! Stop!” Hill didn’t stop, and Olsen shot him “maybe a second” after giving the order, he testified. But wait! There’s more! > [@](#): > > The second officer to arrive testified that Olsen said Hill ran at him and “started pounding on him.” Olsen testified that he didn’t remember that conversation. > > A successful self-defense claim requires evidence that it was reasonable for Olsen to believe Hill was about to kill or gravely injure him or another person. But there was no evidence that Olsen believed Hill was going to kill him, a judge ruled, declining to dismiss the charges. The judge also cited concerns about the former officer’s credibility and conflicting testimony. > [@](#): > > The fact that Hill was naked and unarmed is a major challenge for the defense, which will also have to explain why Olsen didn’t use less-than-lethal force, like a stun gun or pepper spray, he said. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15132 "2019-09-21T19:15:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Stolen car? Tazer? > > Am I missing something? Because neither of the stories about the shooting of Ty’rese West mention a stolen car or a Tazer. At least, not the stories that have been posted in the last few posts here. Both stories say that he was riding a bicycle. Why respond to the crazy? We people start making up facts then there is no reasoning with them. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15133 "2019-09-22T00:30:39Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Stolen car? Tazer? > > Am I missing something? Because neither of the stories about the shooting of Ty’rese West mention a stolen car or a Tazer. At least, not the stories that have been posted in the last few posts here. Both stories say that he was riding a bicycle. It’s **Shodan** , what do you expect? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15134 "2019-09-22T19:44:17Z")
The cop who killed Botham Jean goes on trial tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15135 "2019-09-23T12:42:21Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Stolen car? Tazer? > > Am I missing something? Because neither of the stories about the shooting of Ty’rese West mention a stolen car or a Tazer. At least, not the stories that have been posted in the last few posts here. Both stories say that he was riding a bicycle. That’s because you didn’t read the actual report, instead you are relying on news articles. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15136 "2019-09-23T14:02:32Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Stolen car? Tazer? > > Am I missing something? Because neither of the stories about the shooting of Ty’rese West mention a stolen car or a Tazer. At least, not the stories that have been posted in the last few posts here. Both stories say that he was riding a bicycle. I don’t know if it counts as missing anything, but I did some superficial Google-ing and found stories that covered things a bit more completely. But that’s kind of the point. The narrative as presented of “racist cop shoots kid for driving his bike without a headlight, fascist department takes his word for it and closes the investigation based entirely on that” is not plausible to a neutral or even semi-neutral observer. So a quick search finds facts that are left out. The idea of this thread is to generate maximum recreational outrage, against cops. Anything that would mitigate against that - not gonna get mentioned. What seems to have happened is, the kid was riding to a party with his friends in a stolen car. The cops pull that car over, and everybody in it takes off running. West himself finds a bike. Maybe it was his bike - I don’t know, but it is unlikely that he just happened to be stopped by the police conveniently close to his own house, or wherever he had stashed his bike. Maybe that’s how it happened, but not likely. So West takes off, the officer in question (who did not know about the stolen car incident) sees West pedaling away without a headlight, calls on him to stop, West doesn’t, the officer takes off chasing him, tries to Tazer him but it is too far away to reach him with the Tazer, then West falls off the bike and pulls a gun, but then drops it. A struggle ensues, as the saying goes, the officer is straddling West trying to step on his hand so West can’t get to the gun he (West) dropped, and is afraid he can’t stop him from getting to the gun. He warns West (we have only the officer’s word for it that he warned West), and then, when West continues to try to get to the gun, shoots him. Then the facts of the stolen car and that West was a felon in possession of a firearm came out later, in the course of the investigation that people claim didn’t happen. I get that the purpose of this thread is just to generate outrage that Amerikkka is a fascist nation and every black person lives in fear of being randomly shot while innocently riding their bike. And posters are going to ignore or leave out everything that doesn’t work to further that outrage. That’s fine, but it’s also stupid. A narrative that relies on anecdotes and selective perception even of those anecdotes is a stupid narrative. You can certainly go ahead and scream racism to your little hearts’ content. And I will go ahead and laugh at you to my little heart’s content, where I feel it appropriate. It’s the Pit, after all. > [@Latka Gravis](#): > > We believe that pointless ritual and mindless superstition are all that that separate us from the animals. This thread is pointless ritual, the notion that every shooting of every criminal is racist is mindless superstition. Have fun separating yourself from the animals. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15137 "2019-09-23T14:15:22Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So West takes off, the officer in question (who did not know about the stolen car incident) sees West pedaling away without a headlight, calls on him to stop, West doesn’t, the officer takes off chasing him, tries to Tazer him but it is too far away to reach him with the Tazer, then West falls off the bike and pulls a gun, but then drops it. How many cops will instigate a foot chase after a Taser failure for someone riding a bike without a headlight? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15138 "2019-09-23T14:27:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I don’t know if it counts as missing anything, but I did some superficial Google-ing and found stories that covered things a bit more completely. But that’s kind of the point. Well why the fuck didn’t you provide some links to those stories, rather than introduce new information with no backup evidence whatsoever, you lazy piece of shit? There were precisely two stories linked about this incident, and neither of them mentioned a stolen car or a Tazer. If you’re going to introduce new information, which I’m always happy to consider in a case like this, it’s incumbent on you to give us a sense of where it comes from. This is particularly important for an asshole like you, because I simply don’t trust you to offer an honest account of these incidents. Which brings me to… > [@Shodan](#): > > **What seems to have happened is** , the kid was riding to a party with his friends in a stolen car. The cops pull that car over, and everybody in it takes off running. West himself finds a bike. Maybe it was his bike - I don’t know, but it is unlikely that he just happened to be stopped by the police conveniently close to his own house, or wherever he had stashed his bike. Maybe that’s how it happened, but not likely. So West takes off, the officer in question (who did not know about the stolen car incident) sees West pedaling away without a headlight, calls on him to stop, West doesn’t, the officer takes off chasing him, tries to Tazer him but it is too far away to reach him with the Tazer, then West falls off the bike and pulls a gun, but then drops it. A struggle ensues, as the saying goes, the officer is straddling West trying to step on his hand so West can’t get to the gun he (West) dropped, and is afraid he can’t stop him from getting to the gun. He warns West (we have only the officer’s word for it that he warned West), and then, when West continues to try to get to the gun, shoots him. Then the facts of the stolen car and that West was a felon in possession of a firearm came out later, in the course of the investigation that people claim didn’t happen. Emphasis mine. Once again, you seem happy to uncritically accept the word of a police officer who has killed a guy, and who has failed to activate the one piece of technology that might have provided a clear (or, at least clearer) record of the event. It’s interesting to note that, according to [this story](https://journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/key-findings-from-da-s-decision-on-west-fatality/article_a7dc7c0a-1b23-514c-a372-fe5d6fe5dcee.html), the officer’s own department does not actually require activation of body cameras during pursuits, so at least he didn’t violate department policy. Good for him, I guess. I wonder what possible motive the department might have for such a policy? Can you think of one? And the cop’s account, which can be found in full in the [DA’s report](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/55/355d80a8-bbeb-5184-b7a1-2d6df1dcfd1d/5d82d044b7cf6.pdf.pdf) (PDF), is just that: the account of an officer who has killed someone with no witnesses, who has every reason to provide an account that reduces or eliminates his own culpability, and who hasn’t activated his body camera. I concede that much of the account might be accurate, but I’m also not willing to concede that it is the complete truth. The fact that you take it as the unvarnished reality, with no possibility for correction, says much about your moral compass. > [@Shodan](#): > > A narrative that relies on anecdotes and selective perception even of those anecdotes is a stupid narrative. Ther fact that you can (presumably) type this with a straight face, while uncritically accepting the account of every officer who kills a suspect with no witnesses and no camera footage, again says a lot about your moral compass. > [@Shodan](#): > > You can certainly go ahead and scream racism to your little hearts’ content. And I will go ahead and laugh at you to my little heart’s content, where I feel it appropriate. It’s the Pit, after all. > > This thread is pointless ritual, the notion that every shooting of every criminal is racist is mindless superstition. Have fun separating yourself from the animals. Go fuck yourself with a cactus, you lying, racist cunt. I started this thread with the aim of having a rational discussion about each and every case, and not jumping to conclusions. I’ve already conceded in this thread, a number of times, that police have acted appropriately, or that I would have difficulty charging an officer with a crime. For one of the very first cases we discussed, the Eric Garner case, I noted that, if I had been on the grand jury, I might have had difficulty approving an indictment of the cop in question. But you are the mirror image of everything you falsely claim about this thread. You’ll forgive anything, as long as it’s someone you don’t care about (preferably a person of color) lying dead on the street, and as long as the cops are not held accountable for their actions under any circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15139 "2019-09-23T14:33:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The narrative as presented of “racist cop shoots kid for driving his bike without a headlight, fascist department takes his word for it and closes the investigation based entirely on that” is not plausible to a neutral or even semi-neutral observer. Let’s see if any of this is actually true. > [@](#): > > So West takes off, the officer in question (who did not know about the stolen car incident) sees West pedaling away without a headlight, calls on him to stop, So, we can confirm that the cop stopped West for riding a bike without a headlight, thanks for that. > [@](#): > > West doesn’t, the officer takes off chasing him, tries to Tazer him but it is too far away to reach him with the Tazer, You now confirm that the cop initiated a chase, and attempted to use force against West in order to stop him from getting away from… what… a conversation about bicycle safety? > [@](#): > > then West falls off the bike and pulls a gun, but then drops it. A struggle ensues, as the saying goes, the officer is straddling West trying to step on his hand so West can’t get to the gun he (West) dropped, and is afraid he can’t stop him from getting to the gun. He warns West (we have only the officer’s word for it that he warned West), and then, when West continues to try to get to the gun, shoots him. We do in fact have only the officer’s word on the rest of it because the only other person there is now conveniently dead, and the officer conveniently failed to activate his camera. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15140 "2019-09-23T14:47:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s because you didn’t read the actual report, instead you are relying on news articles. Are \*you \*relying on the police report? Would you mind linking to it? Possible quoting the relevant sections? Hey, if the article I am relying on is wrong on the facts, well that certainly changes things. **Shodan** has said this: > [@](#): > > What seems to have happened is, the kid was riding to a party with his friends in a stolen car. The cops pull that car over, and everybody in it takes off running. West himself finds a bike. He suggests also that West id not have the bicycle originally and may have stolen it in the moment. The article says this: > [@](#): > > West was initially stopped after police said he was riding his bike at 1:30 a.m. without lights. > > Under Wisconsin law, it is illegal to ride a bicycle at night without a white front headlight. Completely different, right? One of the accounts is _wrong_. In the article, there is no mention of a taser, there is no stolen car, there no other suspects. And there is no other cop. If you have something else that backs up this other version, post it, and I will retract. I _ **will** _ say this: **“I relied on bad information, and I retract my statements.”** If you cannot post a cite to this alternate version, will you agree that **Shodan** has posted something that only happened in his mind? He has abandoned facts and backs up his position with a stereotypical racist fantasy. [This article](https://fox6now.com/2019/09/18/decision-expected-on-charges-in-shooting-of-tyrese-west-not-going-to-be-what-i-want-to-hear/) has the officer in question radioing in about a man on a bicycle. > [@](#): > > “\*We have a bicyclist \*on the curb of Highway 32, coming up to Highway 24, 24th Street,” Giese said in dispatch audio released by DA Hanson (my emphasis) So, the Officer’s own words contradict **Shodan** ’s version. He does not mention a stolen car, or a car of any kind. He doesn’t mention any ‘friends’ or other suspects. So I ask you and I ask **Shodan** , if you have any basis for this alternate version, please link to it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15141 "2019-09-23T14:49:13Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well why the fuck didn’t you provide some links to those stories, rather than introduce new information with no backup evidence whatsoever, you lazy piece of shit? Because you know as well as I do that it will make no difference whatever. Anyone who is dumb enough to fall for the “racist cop shoots kid for riding his bike” isn’t going to be willing/capable of comprehending even the fact that the narrative as presented is stupid. Like I said, you aren’t going to let the facts get in the way of your outrage. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts - it just means you would rather have your grievance. Have fun with it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15142 "2019-09-23T15:06:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Like I said, you aren’t going to let the facts get in the way of your outrage. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts - > Regards, > Shodan Please post a link to said facts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=756) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=758)